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« Reply #75 on: December 29, 2020, 01:02:51 am »
   All of your points are indisputable @libertybele
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« Reply #76 on: December 29, 2020, 01:07:58 am »
What makes me angriest, is we have really gone out on a limb to support his case of electoral fraud, and now we see capitualtion central? I am really suprised that the resident NT population hasn't come here and rubbed it in our faces.

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Why bother,when so many regular posters here are doing it for them?
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« Reply #77 on: December 29, 2020, 01:09:05 am »
Just throwing ideas out there .... anyone else???

It would be silly not to take advantage of what is already there and already established, no matter what little bit, as it is better than starting from square one. I doubt there is anyone here that would disagree with the Constitution Party or its charter, or its platform.

Secondly - A party solely based in nothing but 'constitutional conservatism' will fail. And continue to fail.

Of the old Reagan Coalition, you are describing the civil-libertarian faction ALONE.
You'll NEED the fiscal conservatives. You'll NEED the Mil/FPol conservatives. And by any means possible, you will NEED the Christians. Without them all you will not win. And even if you DO win, you will not win, as the current administration so perfectly portrays.

The ONLY thing that has ever worked for Conservatives is Goldwater/Reagan. The ONLY thing that has significantly moved the ball at all is Goldwater/Reagan.

Do what works. and DON"T compromise. DON'T let fear cause capitulation. DON'T believe the 'big tent' bullcrap.

The Reagan Coalition was a voting bloc. That's what it was FOR. That's what it IS FOR.
That was the agreement - we all scratch each other's backs and then we win, and have our way. Republicans and Republican-ism NEVER had a damn thing to do with it. It is CONSERVATIVES sticking together than matters. It is CONSERVATIVES that control the Conservative Juggernaut.

So whatever you do or join, it had better be an ensign for Goldwater and Reagan. I know I will not help any other.

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« Reply #78 on: December 29, 2020, 01:12:15 am »
Sneakypete wrote:
"Globalism is the new International Communism.
Same international slavery,more glamorous name."


I will disagree with you on this, Pete.
communism remains what it has always been.

Think about what Lenin once said:
"The goal of socialism... is communism".

Modern transposition:
"The goal of globalism... is communism".

You were there, "in the fight", many years ago.
Nuthin's changed.

It's still the same struggle.

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« Reply #79 on: December 29, 2020, 01:12:42 am »
Pocket veto would have been the way to go; perhaps forcing a stand alone bill.

 

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Yeah,with people and their families that have already been out of work for months getting tossed out in the streets in Janurary,people's cars being repossesed,electricity cut off for those who can still pay the rent,etc,etc,etc.

Have you lost your freaking mind?
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« Reply #80 on: December 29, 2020, 01:17:22 am »
Sneakypete wrote:
"Globalism is the new International Communism.
Same international slavery,more glamorous name."


I will disagree with you on this, Pete.
communism remains what it has always been.

Think about what Lenin once said:
"The goal of socialism... is communism".

Modern transposition:
"The goal of globalism... is communism".

You were there, "in the fight", many years ago.
Nuthin's changed.

It's still the same struggle.

@Fishrrman

An indisputable FACT is the Russians gave up communism for Capitalism,and even the Chinese gave up on Communism internationally,and became Global Capitalists.

Yeah,they keep Communism at home alive in order to control the masses,but the leadership are definitely into personal wealth.
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« Reply #81 on: December 29, 2020, 01:27:37 am »
It would be silly not to take advantage of what is already there and already established, no matter what little bit, as it is better than starting from square one. I doubt there is anyone here that would disagree with the Constitution Party or its charter, or its platform.

Secondly - A party solely based in nothing but 'constitutional conservatism' will fail. And continue to fail.

Of the old Reagan Coalition, you are describing the civil-libertarian faction ALONE.
You'll NEED the fiscal conservatives. You'll NEED the Mil/FPol conservatives. And by any means possible, you will NEED the Christians. Without them all you will not win. And even if you DO win, you will not win, as the current administration so perfectly portrays.

The ONLY thing that has ever worked for Conservatives is Goldwater/Reagan. The ONLY thing that has significantly moved the ball at all is Goldwater/Reagan.

Do what works. and DON"T compromise. DON'T let fear cause capitulation. DON'T believe the 'big tent' bullcrap.

The Reagan Coalition was a voting bloc. That's what it was FOR. That's what it IS FOR.
That was the agreement - we all scratch each other's backs and then we win, and have our way. Republicans and Republican-ism NEVER had a damn thing to do with it. It is CONSERVATIVES sticking together than matters. It is CONSERVATIVES that control the Conservative Juggernaut.

So whatever you do or join, it had better be an ensign for Goldwater and Reagan. I know I will not help any other.

Thank you for your input.  I need to research Goldwater and Reagan.

Last communication I received from the Constitution Party which was during the Cruz/Trump election is that they had planned to change their platform ... so I need to investigate as it's been quite awhile.

Conservatives need to stick together.  Every one of us.  Most importantly we need leadership (obviously).

In my humble opinion, we will NEVER win the fight unless the GOP is completely dissolved and I think that the DEMS will see to that.

What I am hoping for and dreaming of may never come to light as I see the DEMS going far far off left and an attack on Christianity as the Bible states .... perhaps that time is here?

Sorry to ramble.  Just lots of thoughts running through my head.

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« Reply #82 on: December 29, 2020, 01:37:31 am »
@libertybele

Yeah,with people and their families that have already been out of work for months getting tossed out in the streets in Janurary,people's cars being repossesed,electricity cut off for those who can still pay the rent,etc,etc,etc.

Have you lost your freaking mind?

No.  Going trillions of dollars more into debt isn't the answer.  Work programs -- paying people to work while going through training for a new job (as Reagan did) while giving tax breaks to those companies employing and job creation is the answer.  We sure as heck can't accomplish that while the DEMS keep closing everything down in order to continue to make those dependent on their new 'stimulus' program.

I haven't lost my mind at all and we cannot allow them to march us into socialism.  Fauci is predicting that we'll have herd immunity in the Fall of 2021 -- so how many more stimulus checks are they going to hand out??   How many people won't look for work because they make more off the government dole?? OR can't work because companies continue to go out of business?

Open up the country, let people work. Job creation.  Tax cuts.  It's never going to happen though under the DEMS.  Not their plan.

I Believe in the United States of America as a Government of the people, by the people, for the people; whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed; a democracy in a republic; a sovereign nation of many sovereign states; a perfect union one and inseparable; established upon those principles of freedom, equality, justice and humanity for which American patriots sacrificed their lives and fortunes.  I therefore believe it is my duty to my country to love it; to support its Constitution; to obey its laws to respect its flag; and to defend it against all enemies.

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« Reply #83 on: December 29, 2020, 02:09:01 am »
Thank you for your input.  I need to research Goldwater and Reagan.

Goldwaterism is the originating conservative political coalition in our lifetimes. It sprung forth from the right wing of the Republican party. The Goldwater coalition upheld the unmovable principles of the fiscal conservatives, right-wing libertarians, and the Military/Foreign Policy conservatives.

Reagan-ism sprung forth from Goldwater, again from the right wing of the Republican party... And was the very same thing, except that in the age of legalized abortion and no-fault divorces, with moral turpitude making great strides, Reagan offered the Christian right a seat at the conservative round table. And thus was added the immovable principles of the Judeo-Christian Ethic.

The proverbial three-legged stool of conservatism describes Goldwater. Later in Reagan, civil libertarianism and fiscal conservatism were kinda mashed together on one leg, to make way for the Christians while preserving the three-legged  analogy - But there are really four distinct factions or subsets within Reagan.

The point of coalition was to gather together to support all - There is no skin off your nose as a constitutional conservative to support someone who is also a Christian and a military man, and who knows how to balance a checkbook. While all you may concern yourself with is the constitution, you are covered by that guy - And so is everyone else. But ALL the principles of ALL the factions are included and fought for.

Tell me which of those factions were not supported by daBushes, by McCain't, by Ramen-y, and by Tump, and you will have completed a fairly informative exercise. ALL of them espouse Reagan - In other words all of them declare they embrace the Reagan coalition and in that swear to uphold their principles... Did they? Who went under the bus?

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Last communication I received from the Constitution Party which was during the Cruz/Trump election is that they had planned to change their platform ... so I need to investigate as it's been quite awhile.

Me too - not plugged into it, and probably won't be for a while, unless there is a reason. The only two parties with a platform I could stand were the CP and the AIP (American Independent Party) - You may remember Eternal Vigilance from FR ... He was AIP and active in the top of it.

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Conservatives need to stick together.  Every one of us.  Most importantly we need leadership (obviously).

I don't think leaders are that important. What is more important is to assure than none of your conservative brothers get thrown under the bus. That is precisely what is wrong. That and being enchanted by shiny crap and candy thrown by the clown at the front of the parade.

No more damn candy! Meat and potatoes. Put up or shut up. Show me the money. When that condition is true I will hear the clarion call and come arunning. till then, I can't hear a damn thing.

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In my humble opinion, we will NEVER win the fight unless the GOP is completely dissolved and I think that the DEMS will see to that.

The Republicans are incidental to me. with a decided stench. And utterly without value.

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What I am hoping for and dreaming of may never come to light as I see the DEMS going far far off left and an attack on Christianity as the Bible states .... perhaps that time is here?

There is no doubt in my mind we are at the end of things. What that portends for nations and for America in particular depends upon your interpretation of things. There is a way forward to hope... Which would be a fun conversation some day... But there is also a way forward in infamy. I think that how the nation chooses - Not you or me, but all of us - That choice which is surely upon us, is where we are right now.

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Sorry to ramble.  Just lots of thoughts running through my head.

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« Reply #84 on: December 29, 2020, 02:27:36 am »
   Our next move is entirely predicated on WTF Trump does. it's his GOP.    :crying:
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« Reply #85 on: December 29, 2020, 02:35:52 am »
Heads-up, Georgia!  Here's what McConnell thinks of you   pointing-down

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This week on the Senate floor Mitch McConnell wants to vote to override Trump's veto of the $740 billion defense funding bill and then head home for the New Year.

I'm going to object until we get a vote on legislation to provide a $2,000 direct payment to the working class.


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« Reply #86 on: December 29, 2020, 04:07:41 am »

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No.  Going trillions of dollars more into debt isn't the answer.  Work programs -- paying people to work while going through training for a new job (as Reagan did) while giving tax breaks to those companies employing and job creation is the answer.  We sure as heck can't accomplish that while the DEMS keep closing everything down in order to continue to make those dependent on their new 'stimulus' program.


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Which is EXACTLY what they have done.


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« Reply #87 on: December 29, 2020, 02:45:53 pm »
   Our next move is entirely predicated on WTF Trump does. it's his GOP.    :crying:

Actually @corbe it's McConnell's GOP.

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« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2020, 02:56:55 pm »
Actually @corbe it's McConnell's GOP.

Which is why we're so screwed....
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« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2020, 03:18:57 pm »
Which is why we're so screwed....


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How the HELL did we end up with that chinless wonder and his Chinese handler-wife,anyhow? Was it the  Jorge Bush connection?
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« Reply #90 on: December 29, 2020, 03:31:37 pm »

@Cyber Liberty

How the HELL did we end up with that chinless wonder and his Chinese handler-wife,anyhow? Was it the  Jorge Bush connection?

No, you can't blame this on Bush.  :shrug:
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« Reply #91 on: December 29, 2020, 03:33:35 pm »
Goldwaterism is the originating conservative political coalition in our lifetimes. It sprung forth from the right wing of the Republican party. The Goldwater coalition upheld the unmovable principles of the fiscal conservatives, right-wing libertarians, and the Military/Foreign Policy conservatives.

What are the "unmovable principles"?  This is a sincere question, not an inflammatory one @roamer_1  I often see this phrase tossed around, but no one has actually defined them.  I'd like to move forward being sure what you mean.

Reagan-ism sprung forth from Goldwater, again from the right wing of the Republican party... And was the very same thing, except that in the age of legalized abortion and no-fault divorces, with moral turpitude making great strides, Reagan offered the Christian right a seat at the conservative round table. And thus was added the immovable principles of the Judeo-Christian Ethic.

The proverbial three-legged stool of conservatism describes Goldwater. Later in Reagan, civil libertarianism and fiscal conservatism were kinda mashed together on one leg, to make way for the Christians while preserving the three-legged  analogy - But there are really four distinct factions or subsets within Reagan.

You fail to mention the other Reagan Democrats -- those secular blue collar Democrats who voted specifically for Reagan's promises of economic recovery after the Carter "misery indexed" years.  Most voters stayed with the Republicans through GHWB but peeled off and returned to their Democrat roots with Clinton --- the conservatives failed to turn them into lifelong conservatives or even lifelong Republicans.

These Democrats gave the conservative Ronald Reagan his landslide victories.  We wouldn't see these blue collar Democrat voters return to the fold of capitalism and American values for more than 30 years  --- until the appearance of the Trump Democrats.  They showed up in 2016 for Trump and multiplied exponentially in 2020, bringing more blacks and Hispanics into the Republican tent.  The GOP will again lose these voters after Donald Trump.  I think there's a cautionary tale here for a conservative political party.

I noticed there is no mention of economic and social globalism or immigration or American history.  I'm very interested in knowing how all this fits into the conservative political worldview and political platform.  As you know, I'm political party shopping.   happy77

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« Reply #92 on: December 29, 2020, 03:41:30 pm »
No, you can't blame this on Bush.  :shrug:

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Wasn't the Chinese wife a former Bush appointment?
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« Reply #93 on: December 29, 2020, 03:42:39 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

Wasn't the Chinese wife a former Bush appointment?

Irrelevant.  McConnell was a Senator before all that. 
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« Reply #94 on: December 29, 2020, 03:47:49 pm »
Irrelevant.  McConnell was a Senator before all that.

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Just exactly HOW does that make it irrelevant?

Are you claiming Bush and McConnell never conspired together?

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« Reply #95 on: December 29, 2020, 04:12:18 pm »
@Cyber Liberty

Just exactly HOW does that make it irrelevant?

Are you claiming Bush and McConnell never conspired together?

I know every bad thing ever traces to the Bush Crime Family in your view.  McConnell being in the position he's in today may as well be laid at Bush's feet.  Or the Illuminati, one of them there.
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« Reply #96 on: December 29, 2020, 10:46:50 pm »
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« Reply #97 on: December 30, 2020, 12:50:18 am »
What are the "unmovable principles"?  This is a sincere question, not an inflammatory one @roamer_1  I often see this phrase tossed around, but no one has actually defined them.  I'd like to move forward being sure what you mean.

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Yes, I have defined them - to you - more than once. So I am not going to do it again to no good end... I will summarize, but it is up to you to flesh it out. Look up fiscal conservatism, look up right-wing libertarianism, and look up defense/foreign policy conservatism. Look up Conservative Judeo-Christianity.

I would like nothing better than a serious discussion on these grounds. These pages on this board should be filled with this information. Because this IS the Conservative Coalition we are talking about -

Three (actually four) branches - with discrete and distinct aims. What do they defend? As a conservative, shouldn't you already KNOW?


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You fail to mention the other Reagan Democrats -- those secular blue collar Democrats who voted specifically for Reagan's promises of economic recovery after the Carter "misery indexed" years.  Most voters stayed with the Republicans through GHWB but peeled off and returned to their Democrat roots with Clinton --- the conservatives failed to turn them into lifelong conservatives or even lifelong Republicans.

These Democrats gave the conservative Ronald Reagan his landslide victories.  We wouldn't see these blue collar Democrat voters return to the fold of capitalism and American values for more than 30 years  --- until the appearance of the Trump Democrats.  They showed up in 2016 for Trump and multiplied exponentially in 2020, bringing more blacks and Hispanics into the Republican tent.  The GOP will again lose these voters after Donald Trump.  I think there's a cautionary tale here for a
conservative political party.


Well, yes and no. Mostly no. The Reagan Democrats, by and large ARE the Christian Right. It was Reagan's defense of Christian principles, in the face of Democrat support for abortion and easy divorce and single motherhood that brought Democrats in DROVES to the Conservative banner. That IS the Southern Strategy, and that is where the South went, almost as a unit, from being generations long Democrats to being Republicans, or rather Conservatives. And that is also what turned city suburbs purple.

No doubt there were SOME that are disaffected by those Christian principles - But they are few by comparison in the chart of 'Reagan Democrats'.

Reagan Democrats are the Christian Right, which sprung up whole cloth under Reagan.

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I noticed there is no mention of economic and social globalism or immigration or American history.  I'm very interested in knowing how all this fits into the conservative political worldview and political platform.  As you know, I'm political party shopping.   happy77

Then you notice poorly. I can tell you plainly how globalism defies civil-libertarianism and fiscal conservatism, and conservative foreign policy. The same with immigration being an affront to civil order and strong borders - both being of paramount value to civil libertarians. and how it impacts that civil order in crime, and the costs imparted by smuggling are not hard to find among those who are fiscally minded... not to mention Defense and Security, where law and order libertarians overlap Defense oriented conservatives.

I would happily have this conversation and many many more - more importantly, how those factions interact and intertwine, and how they are interdependent to form a single truth. Far more interesting to me than the turd-polishing and tub-thumping that is the day-to-day. But in that, far too often, because of my defense of the principle instead of the principal, I am made the enemy.
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« Reply #98 on: December 30, 2020, 12:52:31 am »
I know every bad thing ever traces to the Bush Crime Family in your view.  McConnell being in the position he's in today may as well be laid at Bush's feet.  Or the Illuminati, one of them there.

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Not true. There is simply too much treason going in DC for anybody to be able to dip their toes in ALL of it,not even a treasonous bunch of retards like the Bush Crime Family.
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« Reply #99 on: December 30, 2020, 01:12:35 am »
@Cyber Liberty

There is simply too much treason going in DC for anybody to be able to dip their toes in ALL of it,not even a treasonous bunch of retards like the Bush Crime Family.

What you said there is very true!  :beer:
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