Gaming Out a MAGA Party

[Right_in_Virginia]

WOW! Look! More beers! 

I've noticed it, too.   

[corbe]

   It's not lost on me @Right_in_Virginia how royally pizzed you get when I selectively edit your quotes to respond to as you just did mine, with that being said, just let me know which way you're going, sooner rather than later, cause a major, critical decision awaits America and no doubt the election was stolen BUT Trump will suck all the air out of any movement toward Sanity, it's what he does.

[Mesaclone]

   Welcome to the club @Right_in_Virginia you seem to gloss over the fact that Your Dude ran it for 4 years (further into the Ground). 
   I do love the @Mesaclone post that anyway forward for the GOP, if there is any Hope, MUST include Sen. Cruz and if I'm permitted to elaborate on that, Trump must take a backseat (I know how absurd that sounds).

Trump certainly won't be taking a backseat...he will be leading good men like Cruz and others to make the party what it should have already been....Conservative, Populist and willing to fight for the rule of law.

[Hoodat]

Trump certainly won't be taking a backseat...he will be leading good men like Cruz and others to make the party what it should have already been....Conservative, Populist and willing to fight for the rule of law.

I think you have it backwards.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Jack Posobiec 🇺🇸
@JackPosobiec·

Trump

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https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1341147961057669120
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5:26 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Periscope


Turning Point USA's Student Action Summit 2020   

This is day three or four of the summit. Here's part of the base of the new party!  _

[bilo]

   I have been anxiously awaiting this very conversation for weeks. 
  Thank you @bilo for posting the vehicle.   

You're welcome!

I also want to explore our options. I'm tired of trying the same old thing and in the end losing ground to the socialists.

[bilo]

Not sure how you are going to be able to prevent the division between compromisers and non-compromisers.

Compromising is not the problem. The problem has been it's almost always one way. The Rats don't give very much because they exercise strong party discipline and the Pubs give a lot because the "moderates" are always ready to give in. If we are not going our separate ways and we have to live with the Rats than we need a third party that's truly united by core principals and exercises real party discipline.

What's the downside? The Rats gain control of everything? I don't see it. If a third party has at least 40 seats in the Senate they can stop any legislation. Also, the "moderate" pubs are going to start running into trouble getting re-elected. They no longer have the protection of claiming they are conservative, or fiscally responsible. In time some of their seats go to the new MAGA party or the Rats.

Long term the upside for a third party is in taking control of States. IOW, local elections will be more important than federal. If we can gain control at the local levels real change can be implemented in education.

[bilo]

The answer....I believe...is an alliance between Trump and Cruz. These men represent the two key components of the party that MUST stay in alliance if we are to win back the nation. Trump's populism and Cruz's conservative credentials...and deep knowledge of the law and Republic....can pull the corners of the party together. There has to be a melding of those two powers and I would argue that together they could reshape the party without tossing out the baby, as they say.

I am a huge Cruz supporter and have come to realize Trump is a damn good POTUS. Where we disagree is the idea of keeping the Pubs together. In the end it was Trump who caused real change on a whole bunch of issues. The Pub party was not the cause. The Pub party, with some exceptions, has been very silent while Trump has fought the theft of the election. The Pub State legislators have done next to nothing, (don't forget they sent Biden electors). The party that won't fight for Trump doesn't deserve to be saved.

[bilo]

No, I don't think you "get" what has happened.  We are not witnessing an internal struggle within the GOP --- I wish we were @Mesaclone The GOP is united in its "let's move along" goal.  Sure, some are talking a good game, but that's only to get Georgians to overlook how screwed they have been by their own Party and keep McConnell in front of a microphone.

The Party has already kicked its own voters to the curb.  What, in the name of God, makes you think they're going to stand up for us now?  They've announced they will not consider the legal option of challenging fraudulently chosen electors, they've jettisoned removing Section 230 to protect the censorship rights of their Big Tech donors, by a unanimous vote they've increased Visas while American workers are unemployed by the millions.

You know they're going to surrender on everything from immigration to taxes to defunding the police; from American history to reparations.  Gun control?  Watch them prove the President right when he said over and over again "I'm the only thing standing between you and the end of your 2A rights".  A Biden investigation?  Nah.  Durham indictments?  Nah.  Oppose even one Biden nominee for one position?  Nah.  Stop the lockdowns?  Nah.  Push for Trump's economic recovery?  Nah.  Bow to China?  Sure.  Return us to the Paris Agreement?  Sure.  The Iran deal?  Sure.  Keep us in Afghanistan for another 20 years?  Sure.  Blow up peace in the Middle East?  Of course.

The Republicans in the Senate will return to their gangs of 6 or 8 or 12 for every issue.  They'll get rich on Chinese and Big Tech money.  They'll watch us die a slow death and lament how bad it all is as they jockey for position to win the Republican nomination for President because they're better than Biden.

Why can't you see this Republican Party will join in destroying the American dream, the American legacy and an American future?  The Republican Party is as self-centered and power hungry as the democrats, and neither do they care a whit about their voters.

Kill it.  Now.

 

Trump gave middle America belief that together we would build a better future for all Americans.

It's time to have a party that represents main street and not just wall street.

[bilo]

   Welcome to the club @Right_in_Virginia you seem to gloss over the fact that Your Dude ran it for 4 years (further into the Ground). 
   I do love the @Mesaclone post that anyway forward for the GOP, if there is any Hope, MUST include Sen. Cruz and if I'm permitted to elaborate on that, Trump must take a backseat (I know how absurd that sounds).

The key will be to start getting the State Legislatures filled with MAGA politicians.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Emerald Robinson
@EmeraldRobinson

Some people doubt Mitch McConnell is a political genius but it's true:

He told Senators NOT to fight for Trump.

He did nothing about Brian Kemp & GA GOP.

He just gave Americans $600.

He's flipping the bird to the GOP base: because who needs voters?

What could go wrong?


12:17 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/EmeraldRobinson/status/1341070386038009858

[skeeter]

Trump gave middle America belief that together we would build a better future for all Americans.

It's time to have a party that represents main street and not just wall street.

As corny as that sounds I think its spot on.

And all movements need a leader, someone to coalesce around. It doesn't have to be Trump, but who else y'got?

[Right_in_Virginia]

Rep. Jody Hice
@CongressmanHice

Big meeting today with @realDonaldTrump, @VP, the President's legal team, @freedomcaucus and other Members of Congress.

I will lead an objection to Georgia's electors on Jan 6.

The courts refuse to hear the President's legal case.

We're going to make sure the People can!


7:35 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/CongressmanHice/status/1341180474975268870


Let's roll!!  

[bilo]

As corny as that sounds I think its spot on.

And all movements need a leader, someone to coalesce around. It doesn't have to be Trump, but who else y'got?

The Tea party failed because it didn't have a leader, for now Trump is the leader. One day it will be someone else. Right now 75+ million people supported Trump in the election, if 2/3rd stick with him that's 50 million voters, more than enough to get started forming a new party.

[sneakypete]

Improve the Republican Party. Unfortunately, Trump has wrecked a lot of it, but recovery is possible.
Things usually aren't as bad as many people believe they are at the moment. 
If these latest stunts by Trump haven't proved how unfit he is for the office, I don't know what will.
Cruz or Rubio would have been much better candidates. Both would have whipped Clinton and Biden.
Too late now.
But never too late to try again. With a better candidate this time.

@goatprairie

Tell your attendants they need to change your meds.

[Mesaclone]

The ONLY way a new party has ANY chance of success is if Trump leads it...and if he does so, I will follow him down that path. I've been clear on that. What I'm saying, is that I believe a better option is for him to take the GOP and make it into what he believes it should be...which in effect IS no different than starting a new party from scratch and dividing Republicans into opposed factions. If that means renaming the GOP as the MAGA party and calling that a "new" party...go for it if that's effective marketing. The bottom line is not what you call this new party...but as Bilo said above...that it truly IS the party of the middle class. No more country club elites and Neo-con interventionists.

But the truth is Trump cannot do this alone...he must have people like Cruz, Crenshaw, Noem and many others with him to make this happen...be it reshaping the GOP or starting something new.

Way too many here are misunderstanding the dangers of splitting the right into two parties. RIV...I get what you want...but do you realize that people like Roamer, goat, and others will NEVER except a 3rd party on the right led by Trump. How do you square that with wanting Trump to lead the movement to start a new conservative party? How can that be achieved with creating a strategic disaster in electoral terms? These are not trick questions...I genuinely want to know how that goes down, because it looks like a path to division and defeat to me.  Taking the GOP and FORCING it to be a MAGA party...that is hard as well but seems far more likely to succeed with Trump leading THAT fight.

[Mesaclone]

Rep. Jody Hice
@CongressmanHice

Big meeting today with @realDonaldTrump, @VP, the President's legal team, @freedomcaucus and other Members of Congress.

I will lead an objection to Georgia's electors on Jan 6.

The courts refuse to hear the President's legal case.

We're going to make sure the People can!


7:35 PM · Dec 21, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

https://twitter.com/CongressmanHice/status/1341180474975268870


Let's roll!!  

This is so important. We are not going to win on these objections because the Senate RINO's are going t stick with Biden...but this vote will show us EXACTLY who in the Senate and the HOUSE the true MAGA folks are vs the RINO's. THAT is why McConnell does not want this vote...he wants to let the fence-riders in both Houses straddle that line of "saying" they support Trump while continually undermining him.

[Jazzhead]

As corny as that sounds I think its spot on.

And all movements need a leader, someone to coalesce around. It doesn't have to be Trump, but who else y'got?

Somebody besides Trump; that's the point.   Trump rallies his base,  but repels millions more because of incurable flaws in his personality.   Trump's "Main Street" - oriented policies are winners,  but not as embodied by Trump.   The future lies in a united GOP motivated by Trumpism but without the drag of Trump's megalomania.

[roamer_1]

Way too many here are misunderstanding the dangers of splitting the right into two parties. RIV...I get what you want...but do you realize that people like Roamer, goat, and others will NEVER except a 3rd party on the right led by Trump.

That's fair to say - I will not 'follow' Tumpy no matter what he does.He's DONE with me. And has been all along. But that makes me incidental to the equation - I have been a null value where Tumpy is concerned and always will be, no matter how it goes. Now I understand that you wish that were a positive instead of a null, But as a null, or even a negative I make little difference to your cause one way or the other. So why blame it on me?

However, I am all for throwing the bastards out of there - ALL of them, no matter how that goes. And even if others join in that sentiment for the wrong reasons, there is camaraderie in that. And even if we are not on the same side of things (and we are not), at least the dialog between us is honest - In that end, an uninterested neighbor is better than a backstabbing friend.

[Mesaclone]

That's fair to say - I will not 'follow' Tumpy no matter what he does.He's DONE with me. And has been all along. But that makes me incidental to the equation - I have been a null value where Tumpy is concerned and always will be, no matter how it goes. Now I understand that you wish that were a positive instead of a null, But as a null, or even a negative I make little difference to your cause one way or the other. So why blame it on me?

However, I am all for throwing the bastards out of there - ALL of them, no matter how that goes. And even if others join in that sentiment for the wrong reasons, there is camaraderie in that. And even if we are not on the same side of things (and we are not), at least the dialog between us is honest - In that end, an uninterested neighbor is better than a backstabbing friend. As you are clearly not the disinterested neighbor, it seems that leaves only one option to define your actions...though friend is perhaps too strong a term. You are asserting that you'd ally with people like RIV who want to see Trump lead a new conservative party, and then betray them by actually not supporting Trump. That's pretty damn Machiavellian of you...dishonest to the core. Have you no decency, sir?

I don't "blame" you...or anyone else voting as they see fit. That said, voters like yourself are part of the calculus of trying to form a new party. People like RIV...and even myself...would follow President Trump in forming a new MAGA party to overtake the GOP...but if voters like yourself will not, that makes such an action a pointless exercise. We would simply be in that same situation with a MAGA party...that can't attract a portion of the conservative right...which is a key part of what's needed if we're to win national elections. Heck...if the "purist" right doesn't sit THIS election out we might have overcome even the large scale fraud that stole this election.

So, in creating a new Trump led MAGA party...all that would be achieved is shifting Trump supporters to a new party...losing the 20-25% of RINO votes we might normally get, without adding any votes from the hard right.

So your very position, adamant as it is, makes it clear that creating such a new party is likely a futile exercise. So the only VIABLE choice is to destroy and rebuild the party we have...if we want ANY chance of retaking the House/Senate in 2022 and the White House in 2024.

[Mesaclone]

Somebody besides Trump; that's the point.   Trump rallies his base,  but repels millions more because of incurable flaws in his personality.   Trump's "Main Street" - oriented policies are winners,  but not as embodied by Trump.   The future lies in a united GOP motivated by Trumpism but without the drag of Trump's megalomania.

My god...Roosevelt, Churchill, and even Lincoln...could be labeled as megalomaniacs...in that they believed they needed MORE power so as to effect what they believed was necessary to save their nations. What you don't like is the man's demeanor and aggressive charisma...and you're not wrong that THAT does alienates some people. But it adds FAR more voters than it subtracts...demonstrably so...the man added at least 11 million voters to his 2nd term ticket (likely many millions more minus the rampant fraud).

If there is to be a new and viable 3rd party...there is zero doubt that it will be because Trump forms it and leads it...but be of good cheer, the man turns 75 this year.

[sneakypete]

I don't "blame" you...or anyone else voting as they see fit.

 

@Mesaclone  @roamer_1

I do.

His position is the selfish position of putting self and ego ahead of what is in the long-term interests of the nation. Trump,as a man,and even as a President is a temporary thing. He is nothing more than the "tool" that is available that is in the best position to turn around the destruction of America.

Roamer and the others are putting self ahead of nation by acting like spoiled 3 year olds.

[roamer_1]

So your very position, adamant as it is, makes it clear that creating such a new party is likely a futile exercise. So the only VIABLE choice is to destroy and rebuild the party we have...if we want ANY chance of retaking the House/Senate in 2022 and the White House in 2024.

Meh. No loss, no gain - You forget that I am not a Republican either. And if you destroy it, rebuild it, and paint it orange, I still won't be a Republican either. That will certainly not attract me.

I wasn't following in the first place, and was not going to follow any way along, and will not follow no matter what - As I said - Null. To both Republicans and Tumpists.

[corbe]

   WE need another Leader, someone that didn't say in March 2018 "I will never sign another (CR) bill like this again," 

[Mesaclone]

 


@Mesaclone  @roamer_1

I do.

His position is the selfish position of putting self and ego ahead of what is in the long-term interests of the nation. Trump,as a man,and even as a President is a temporary thing. He is nothing more than the "tool" that is available that is in the best position to turn around the destruction of America.

Roamer and the others are putting self ahead of nation by acting like spoiled 3 year olds.

While I agree with you entirely on that, its still everyone's free choice. Doesn't make it a wise or ethical choice, but that right is still sacrosanct.