SCOTUS drops Texas case: Tex GOP asks if law abiding states should form new United States

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

For myself, this is not secession. More like a reset. We go back to the core principles and aspirations of 1787 and the Constitution...and invite/admit the states (and counties) who wish to do the same. We would be, in a real sense, re-establishing that Union of likeminded peoples. We need not invite nor accept states who will oppose this reset of the Union. We are not seceding, we are excising those who reject the US Constitution. That’s an important distinction...not just splitting hairs.

Of course, should that excision fail...let Texas do its Texit thing and the rest of us will gladly join with her in a new Republic. But the better alternative would be the first path...certainly likely to be the more amicable route.

A new constitutional convention would be a disaster with the citizens we have now.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

You continue to miss the point.  We just lost our Republic.  Thinking that Joe only has 4 years and then we get to vote again and everything is going to be ok is (with all respect) absurd.

Exactly what makes you think that our electoral process has a shred of integrity left? 

Trump won in 2016. House GOPers won big. Senate didn't do too bad. We appointed 3 USSC justices thanks to Trump (all conservatives owe him a debt of gratitude IMO. GOP controls most state legislatures.

[Mesaclone]

A new constitutional convention would be a disaster with the citizens we have now.

Remember....the 10 "Lib" states are NOT invited...excised...this would limit the acrimony and enhance cooperative spirit of such a convention...though, you're right that a 50 state convention would be a disaster. But in the case I'm favoring....No Cali, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Connecticut nor New Mexico. Counties from these states could send reps if they wish to join in the 1787 Constitutional affirmation.

[Mesaclone]

Trump won in 2016. House GOPers won big. Senate didn't do too bad. We appointed 3 USSC justices thanks to Trump (all conservatives owe him a debt of gratitude IMO. GOP controls most state legislatures.

Yes, we do control 27 state legislatures...and those would be the heart of this new Constitutional "Texit" convention. Other states could join as they choose...minus the 10 states I listed.

[Fishrrman]

Mesaclone wrote:
Rush said it well "there cannot be a peaceful coexistence of two completely different theories of life, the government and of how we manage our affairs". That being the case, the most peaceful and productive path is to go our own ways and to follow the principles both aspire to...

There are but three choices (and only three) left to traditional-minded Americans:
1. Fight,
2. Flight, or...
3. Submission.

What will you put YOUR money down on...?

[Smokin Joe]

Proposition of an all out war or Revolution is one consideration; but one that I don't advocate. I'd rather see a NEW conservative party formed to overthrow the existing DEM party -- they just overthrew and destroyed the GOP party, the integrity of our electoral process in one swoop and our SCOTUS sat and approved.

Cases being thrown out and not heard is a clear sign that we lost our Republic period.  Our AG sat with his thumb up his rear and did nothing to bring those responsible for all the evidence that was uncovered during "Russia gate", Burisma, and the bogus Impeachment!! Our Republic was lost long before this election!

How are you going to be voted in when the machines tabulate votes based on percentages?

The loss is written into the software.

It is evident there will be no evidentiary review that gains any traction in ANY court, that redress cannot be sought from the Federal Government, or any part of it once the Dems seize power.

There will be no honest elections in the foreseeable future if this is not resolved.

[Bigun]

How are you going to be voted in when the machines tabulate votes based on percentages?

The loss is written into the software.

It is evident there will be no evidentiary review that gains any traction in ANY court, that redress cannot be sought from the Federal Government, or any part of it once the Dems seize power.

There will be no honest elections in the foreseeable future if this is not resolved.

  

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Remember....the 10 "Lib" states are NOT invited...excised...this would limit the acrimony and enhance cooperative spirit of such a convention...though, you're right that a 50 state convention would be a disaster. But in the case I'm favoring....No Cali, Oregon, Washington, Illinois, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Connecticut nor New Mexico. Counties from these states could send reps if they wish to join in the 1787 Constitutional affirmation.

Wha? You'd have a constitutional convention and not invite the "lib" states?

[Smokin Joe]

Wha? You'd have a constitutional convention and not invite the "lib" states?

They already ignore the Constitution we have, so what's the point?

[libertybele]

How are you going to be voted in when the machines tabulate votes based on percentages?

The loss is written into the software.

It is evident there will be no evidentiary review that gains any traction in ANY court, that redress cannot be sought from the Federal Government, or any part of it once the Dems seize power.

There will be no honest elections in the foreseeable future if this is not resolved.

Not talking about using the ballot box at all; that is worthless and I have stated several times that the integrity of our electoral process is gone and yes I realize that the corruption was written into the software.

Nor am I advocating going through the court system.

I'm talking a whole New Party/New Government.

Our Republic was taken from us, and our Constitution has been tossed aside.

Again, quoting Dr. Ron Paul (who had things right in so many ways long ago)

   "If freedom is what we want, it is our for the taking.  Let the Revolution begin".

I would love to hear his opinion on all of this.

[Mesaclone]

Wha? You'd have a constitutional convention and not invite the "lib" states?

Yes I would. This is not a secession, its an excision. We cannot share a nation with people who do not respect our Constitution, cherish our history, nor value the rule of law. Its not so much about liberal vs Conservative as it is about Constitutionalism vs Elitism (Defined as those who think themselves above and apart from the law and who believe they have the intellectual right to rule over the rest of us).

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

Yes I would. This is not a secession, its an excision. We cannot share a nation with people who do not respect our Constitution, cherish our history, nor value the rule of law. Its not so much about liberal vs Conservative as it is about Constitutionalism vs Elitism (Defined as those who think themselves above and apart from the law and who believe they have the intellectual right to rule over the rest of us).

No provision in the Constitution for that though.

[Mesaclone]

No provision in the Constitution for that though.

Correct, just like the first Constitutional Convention. This would be a new beginning...however...it would start with retention of virtually every word of the current Constitution. From there, very minor tweaks of language would occur such as discussed earlier in the thread...ie clearer language in the 2nd amendment such as losing the preamble and simply saying "The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

[IsailedawayfromFR]

No provision in the Constitution for that though.

Neither is a suicide pact.