Are the people ready to rise?

[skeeter]

@skeeter

Such a simple concept,it's almost impossible to believe some people are so simple-minded they put "style" above "performance",isn't it?

Yet it is these "Leftist fellow travelers" that made this possible. Without them and their support of the RINO's and their "moderate" Dim pals,it would have never happened.

Yeah it is. Governing can’t be that simple can it? Just the will of the people.

[Smokin Joe]

30 years ago Biden campaign would’ve barely registered, the election would’ve been a 50 state sweep.

The electorate has changed - a large percentage is more dependent, more hateful, more ignorant than ever. The 74 million you mention are the remnant of what we used to look like as a people, when our differences weren’t like night and day.

You are right about what’s coming. Short of a miracle we are in for some really hard times and those cheering Biden are totally oblivious to what they’ve brought on.

Thirty years ago, there would have been no mail in voting, no computer tabulation, no internet tying our election into foreign servers or computers, and fraud, especially on a massive scale, was hard (though not impossible ) to come by.

Regardless of changes in the electorate, the propaganda spewed by the socialist university system cannot overcome the reality of paying bills and eating. Nor can the electorate overcome those who control the machines by voting.

[roamer_1]

Not totally true.  See my list.  POTUS  has removed some agencies. Streamlined regulations.  REMOVED 2, for ever one put into action.  Things haven't gone YOUR way, so you want to throw out the baby, with the bath water.

A paltry defense in the face of fifteen trillion dollars. There is no defense really. The money says it all.

Things going MY WAY? You mean Conservatism? That would be the baby, and the baby ain't there.

[roamer_1]

I don’t care if he’s a statesman. I don’t care if he behaves like a petulant child and cusses and tweets. I want him to represent me. If he says he will and follows through that is all I ask.

Then you should not expect much.

[skeeter]

Thirty years ago, there would have been no mail in voting, no computer tabulation, no internet tying our election into foreign servers or computers, and fraud, especially on a massive scale, was hard (though not impossible ) to come by.

Regardless of changes in the electorate, the propaganda spewed by the socialist university system cannot overcome the reality of paying bills and eating. Nor can the electorate overcome those who control the machines by voting.

The collective stupidity of a good chunk of the electorate along with voter fraud on an industrial scale will be a hard obstacle to overcome. We start every damn national election 35 percent in the electoral hole.

[skeeter]

Then you should not expect much.

on the contrary it turns out I got more than i expected.

[roamer_1]

We HAVE a statesman.  TAKES NO PAY, none of the other TRUMPS either.  This is volunteer work for, we the people, and America.
LOVE OF AMERICA. 
Certainly not for fame or  fortune.  TRUMP is already a household word.  TRUMP TOWER. In fact, POTUS TRUMP has lost billions, with all the hate and boycott directed at him.  I don't know what ROAMER wants.  J.C. , BEING OUR PRESIDENT?

Even if you were correct (which you are not), he is only ONE. and one can do nothing. To go traipsing after messiahs distracts from what is necessary. And your accusations of purity on my part are unfounded - I was perfectly ready to pull the lever for Cruz. So it isn't that none will suffice. But I do admit my expectations are high, and I demand a high bar of excellence. As I should.

We are not in a position to settle for anything.

[roamer_1]

on the contrary it turns out I got more than i expected.

... Which is predictable when the bar is set so low. 

Nothing is fixed. very little has changed. If the ball has moved in a conservative direction, it is an almost imperceptible amount. With gains like that being satisfactory, we may as well quit right now.

I expect far more performance, to a much higher standard. Not to be priggish, but because nothing else will do. If we are to save this great nation, we cannot be made content with small gains and half measures.

[Absalom]

Question: "Are the people ready to rise?"  No.
Because we may have reached the point where A MAJORITY of people are now willingly voting against "capitalism" and the party that is associated with it (the Republicans). As such, they are either unwary of, or perhaps actually welcoming towards socialism and socialism's natural "follower", communism.

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A query.
Why is our only choice between Capitalism vs. Marxism???
Consider; the Fertile Crescent emerged near 7,000 BC, w/that cradle of civilization forming the earliest structured cultures/societies, which led to the eventual development of the nation/state. Critically, Mankind's vital means of early survival, as well as it's economic engine, was Agriculture. In turn, values and virtues were uncovered by it's Wise Men to support their institutions.
Then around 1600 AD, the economic system of Capitalism emerged in the Netherlands; the time between these economic systems spanning almost 9,000 years. In turn, Capitalism's adherents produced their own values and virtues supporting this economic system.
Next came Progressivism/Socialism, some 200 years after Capitalism, w/its own disciples,
values and virtues supporting their system.
So the question is begged, which was superior in bettering the condition of Mankind???
History gives us compelling evidence, if not the answer!
From the Fertile Crescent to the Dutch East Indies Company, some 90 centuries passed
which spanned the greatest era of creativity in the history of Mankind in Art & Science;
the foundation of  Civilization, but why??? For a direct and simple reason.
Mankind's condition improved over the centuries due to his creative & innovative impulses harnessed by his powerful spiritual sensibility manifested in his religious fervor & impulse.
For proof of this, look no further the Art Man created during this time span.
The following 250 years nurtured Capitalism, certainly bettering Man materially, yet his spiritual sensibilities waned as the level of chaos and conflict across Europe worsened.
Then came Marxism, as the answer to Mankind's Problems and the record of it's
performance is plain and obvious to anyone w/a solitary brain.
So what is Mankind/s wisest choice for self fulfillment as well as betterment???
Is it not beyond obvious that the Ancients understood that Man can only better
his personal condition when he never loses sight of his spiritual needs???
We who can't even recall the values/virtues of our Founders have a very long road ahead.
 

[roamer_1]

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A query.
Why is our choice between Capitalism versus Marxism???
[...]
Then around 1600 AD, the economic system of Capitalism emerged in the Netherlands; the time between these economic systems spanning almost 9,000 years. In turn, Capitalism's adherents produced their own values and virtues supporting this economic system.
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I would challenge that. I would propose that capitalism in its principle of voluntary contracts between parties is the norm... Whether in barter or money, that seems to me to be the basis  of all business.

In fact, the rise of the middle class in England was indeed a return to that normalcy, and the vast wealth it creates. I would submit that every empire you could point to is in fact an imposition to that normalcy, and is similar in kind to what we would call a feudal system, all the way up to raw tyranny. And in fact, that in the absence of those governments, the inevitability of trade is to revert to capitalism and voluntary contracts.

So in its essence, anything imposed upon that free and voluntary contract between parties winds up to be a drag thereon, imposed as a tax in one way or another... Leaving you in the unenviable position of defending the 'greater good' of imperial governance.

[LegalAmerican]

Will Johnson talks about conservatives and the lack of drive by them. As do the callers.  I think this is relevant,  but some may not   think it is.  I have a difficult time with what is relevant, I guess.  I think it is very relevant.  Same issue about people rising up.


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[Knox27]

I would challenge that. I would propose that capitalism in its principle of voluntary contracts between parties is the norm... Whether in barter or money, that seems to me to be the basis  of all business.

In fact, the rise of the middle class in England was indeed a return to that normalcy, and the vast wealth it creates. I would submit that every empire you could point to is in fact an imposition to that normalcy, and is similar in kind to what we would call a feudal system, all the way up to raw tyranny. And in fact, that in the absence of those governments, the inevitability of trade is to revert to capitalism and voluntary contracts.

So in its essence, anything imposed upon that free and voluntary contract between parties winds up to be a drag thereon, imposed as a tax in one way or another... Leaving you in the unenviable position of defending the 'greater good' of imperial governance.

I dunno. It seems like it should "obviously" be the norm...but then why wasn't it.

It seems like it would be obvious to come up with an equation of gravity (pre relativity) but it took alllll the way to Newton.

Anyway I just wanted to say that the worst thing to ever happen to us was the advent of agriculture.  Not even kings and emperors getting out of the way of capitalism can solve that.  Humans had it made till we decided let's stick around here and just grow some stuff.

[roamer_1]

I dunno. It seems like it should "obviously" be the norm...but then why wasn't it.

It certainly seems that way to me...

It seems like it would be obvious to come up with an equation of gravity (pre relativity) but it took alllll the way to Newton.

Easy with what I will say here: As fond as I am of Newton... What you are talking about here is pin-headed scientists overthinking the obvious.

Anyway I just wanted to say that the worst thing to ever happen to us was the advent of agriculture.  Not even kings and emperors getting out of the way of capitalism can solve that.  Humans had it made till we decided let's stick around here and just grow some stuff.

Having lived the hunter-gatherer lifestyle for months on end, I will have to disagree. There is much privation in that life. The sweet spot to me is to be found somewhere between the homestead and the farm/ranch. I would tend to homestead, with the vast mountains out the back door for forage and hunting... But a barnyard and a cabin, and a big ol garden too.

[Knox27]

Having lived the hunter-gatherer lifestyle for months on end, I will have to disagree. There is much privation in that life. The sweet spot to me is to be found somewhere between the homestead and the farm/ranch. I would tend to homestead, with the vast mountains out the back door for forage and hunting... But a barnyard and a cabin, and a big ol garden too.

I'm imaging 60 or so in shape clan members who are all pros at foraging and hunting.  Apparently we were well fed and had a lot of leisure time (so the anthropologists will have me believe) pass me the wing, ill pass you the berries.  No place to store it anyway. Were all fit and play soccer and screw all day.

[roamer_1]

I'm imaging 60 or so in shape clan members who are all pros at foraging and hunting.  Apparently we were well fed and had a lot of leisure time (so the anthropologists will have me believe) pass me the wing, ill pass you the berries.  No place to store it anyway. Were all fit and play soccer and screw all day.

That is a rather romantic view of it... I find it far easier to survive in the woods on my own than trying to provide for a company. In fact, that is my primary worry if SHTF and I have to go to ground. Even as gimped up as I am, I can make do in the woods for myself. Bringing the whole fam damily is another thing altogether.

Picture this: By myself, I will use up forage and firewood in an area in about 10 days if I am lucky and have to move on. Imagine that with 20 people or so.

[skeeter]

... Which is predictable when the bar is set so low. 

Nothing is fixed. very little has changed. If the ball has moved in a conservative direction, it is an almost imperceptible amount. With gains like that being satisfactory, we may as well quit right now.

I expect far more performance, to a much higher standard. Not to be priggish, but because nothing else will do. If we are to save this great nation, we cannot be made content with small gains and half measures.

Given the state of affairs in our government there is absolutely nothing to suggest we would've made further progress under a Cruz administration. I no longer believe the kind of progress you expect, the kind we hope for, is possible. Not without some seismic shift in the public's attitude most likely brought on by something really unpleasant.

[Bigun]

I would challenge that. I would propose that capitalism in its principle of voluntary contracts between parties is the norm... Whether in barter or money, that seems to me to be the basis  of all business.

In fact, the rise of the middle class in England was indeed a return to that normalcy, and the vast wealth it creates. I would submit that every empire you could point to is in fact an imposition to that normalcy, and is similar in kind to what we would call a feudal system, all the way up to raw tyranny. And in fact, that in the absence of those governments, the inevitability of trade is to revert to capitalism and voluntary contracts.

So in its essence, anything imposed upon that free and voluntary contract between parties winds up to be a drag thereon, imposed as a tax in one way or another... Leaving you in the unenviable position of defending the 'greater good' of imperial governance.

    

[IsailedawayfromFR]

I don’t care if he’s a statesman. I don’t care if he behaves like a petulant child and cusses and tweets. I want him to represent me. If he says he will and follows through that is all I ask.

You are describing some of the best and most successful military commanders ever known, Patton-style.

It is how wars are won. 

[Right_in_Virginia]

@Right_in_Virginia

Now RiV, honestly tell me which of the Conservatives have not been sullied by your movement... And now you want their help?  Might have done well to think that through...

THIS is what you got from my post?  Stop talking to the horse and find a damn human -- you're bleeding comprehension brain cells.

[Absalom]

I would challenge that. I would propose that capitalism in its principle of voluntary contracts between parties is the norm... Whether in barter or money, that seems to me to be the basis  of all business.
In fact, the rise of the middle class in England was indeed a return to that normalcy, and the vast wealth it creates. I would submit that every empire you could point to is in fact an imposition to that normalcy, and is similar in kind to what we would call a feudal system, all the way up to raw tyranny. And in fact, that in the absence of those governments, the inevitability of trade is to revert to capitalism and voluntary contracts.
So in its essence, anything imposed upon that free and voluntary contract between parties winds up to be a drag thereon, imposed as a tax in one way or another... Leaving you in the unenviable position of defending the 'greater good' of imperial governance.

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Challenge whatever you want.
The Britannica defined the Dutch East India Company of 1602 as the initial capitalist
entity featuring private ownership of the means of production to generate profit.
I used it as my contrasting benchmark between an agricultural economy and progressivism.

[Smokin Joe]

That is a rather romantic view of it... I find it far easier to survive in the woods on my own than trying to provide for a company. In fact, that is my primary worry if SHTF and I have to go to ground. Even as gimped up as I am, I can make do in the woods for myself. Bringing the whole fam damily is another thing altogether.

Picture this: By myself, I will use up forage and firewood in an area in about 10 days if I am lucky and have to move on. Imagine that with 20 people or so.

There is a reason tribal groups were often nomadic--or practiced some form of agriculture.

[LegalAmerican]

Yes.  General says;  "Joe Biden STEP DOWN NOW!  " 

[roamer_1]

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Challenge whatever you want.
The Britannica defined the Dutch East India Company of 1602 as the initial capitalist
entity featuring private ownership of the means of production to produce profit.
I used it as my contrasting benchmark between an agricultural economy and progressivism.

'Capitalist' so called perhaps... Free trade is as old as man.

[roamer_1]

There is a reason tribal groups were often nomadic--or practiced some form of agriculture.

It ain't the same no more... The salmon runs were a big deal out here for subsistence... And all the bottoms where you might winter are all bought up and private. Lewis and Clarke dang near starved in these hills, and I know why. The Salish tell of hard winters where Alberta and NW Montana and Idaho tribes just emptied out... packed up and headed for kin on the Snake and the Columbia for the winter. I don't think folks know how rough it is.

[Smokin Joe]

It ain't the same no more... The salmon runs were a big deal out here for subsistence... And all the bottoms where you might winter are all bought up and private. Lewis and Clarke dang near starved in these hills, and I know why. The Salish tell of hard winters where Alberta and NW Montana and Idaho tribes just emptied out... packed up and headed for kin on the Snake and the Columbia for the winter. I don't think folks know how rough it is.

No, it isn't the same.

Restricting that travel was the near end of those tribes and clans. That's why reservations turned into little more than prisons, mainly because people were first pushed out of the best areas, and then because they were not heavy agriculturalists anyway. There were areas where plants had been gathered, I believe, in a sort of wild agriculture, one seen in coulees near here where no matter when in the summer you came through there would be something to eat, juneberries, wild plum, Indian turnips, raspberries, greens, wild onions, always something to supplement the hunt or the spawning runs. Even those have been masked or wiped out by everything from farming to grazing and development. Much of the bottomland along the Big Muddy has been flooded over by dams, and what remains given over to farming cash crops like sugar beets, turned into parks, or is heavily restricted by the ACoE.

The utility of plants as simple as lilacs has been largely lost to modern folks, who didn't realize the overwhelming fragrance was used in the spring to mask the spring thawing of the outhouse hole...We found that we had a dozen medicinal herbs growing around the place, commonly regarded as "weeds", all with utility, from coneflower to lavender and shepherd's purse and plantains, heck you can even eat lamb's quarter when it's young. 

There'd be a die off, to be sure, and that is the Communists' intent. Old people remember old ways.
As efficient and scientific as the attempts to separate native children from their families and culture by putting them in boarding schools and not letting them speak their language or visit kin was, the efforts of the Communists to separate modern day American youngsters from their heritage and their language and culture is far stronger, far more pervasive, and far more insidious. No one who really understands how this Country is supposed to work, this Federation of United States, this Constitutional Republic, would want anything else, besides those who think they have something to gain by its demise. Most of them have been lied to. Useful idiots will go fast, as soon as they aren't useful, "Useless eaters" aren't high on the hit parade for any totalitarian government, especially those who make trouble, and planned obsolescence is intended to make people 'useless' sooner or later if they just can't keep up with the latest. It's why the goalposts keep getting moved--and if that fails to actually make people useless, well, the perception that somehow people who have worked all their lives don't deserve the things or wealth they accumulated in that time is almost as good.

(Everyone should watch Dr. Zhivago, it should be required curriculum for kids. )  That and a couple of those Russian teevee series about fighter pilots, where their families are put in prison (and often died) because some Zampolit didn't like them and called their loyalty to the State in question over a personal grudge.  Just the things which seemed passe in the show to the Russians that completely grate against the American worldview show that the communists have no conception of freedom, and that Americans are rapidly getting there because of the full court press indoctrination they get.