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Re: Pennsylvania: Legal Updates
« Reply #275 on: August 02, 2022, 08:39:08 pm »
I'm afraid I'm no expert on the PA constitution, @Bigun - just a former resident.

And a recovering lawyer IIRC. @mountaineer
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Re: Pennsylvania: Legal Updates
« Reply #276 on: August 02, 2022, 10:47:28 pm »
Pennsylvania Supreme Court upholds state's no-excuses mail-in ballot law in blow to GOP

Democrat justices concluded nothing in state constitution prohibits widespread use of absentee ballots, reversing lower court.

The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled Tuesday the 2019 law expanding the state's mail-in voting was constitutional, overruling Republicans who argued no-excuse absentee voting should be outlawed.



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Just out of curiosity,WHO made this seem like it is suddenly a good idea,after all the decades of not allowing it.

BTW,just because something isn't explicitly legal doesn't mean it is a good idea. If it had been a good idea,our Founding Fathers,who NO sane person can suggest were not a HELL of a lot smarter AND more honest that the creatures we now have in government,would have agreed to this back in the 1776,when it was a HELL of a lot harder for voters to get to the polls than it is today.
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Re: Pennsylvania: Legal Updates
« Reply #277 on: August 02, 2022, 10:51:11 pm »
@Bigun

Just out of curiosity,WHO made this seem like it is suddenly a good idea,after all the decades of not allowing it.

BTW,just because something isn't explicitly legal doesn't mean it is a good idea. If it had been a good idea,our Founding Fathers,who NO sane person can suggest were not a HELL of a lot smarter AND more honest that the creatures we now have in government,would have agreed to this back in the 1776,when it was a HELL of a lot harder for voters to get to the polls than it is today.

Can't cheat if you can't create phantom votes! @sneakypete
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Re: Pennsylvania: Legal Updates
« Reply #278 on: August 02, 2022, 11:34:11 pm »
So, now we know which way PA will go in the upcoming elections. 
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Re: Pennsylvania: Legal Updates
« Reply #279 on: August 02, 2022, 11:35:39 pm »
So, now we know which way PA will go in the upcoming elections.
Elections in the two major cities in PA - both Democrat, of course - have always been corrupt.

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Re: Pennsylvania: Legal Updates
« Reply #280 on: August 02, 2022, 11:41:50 pm »
@Bigun

Just out of curiosity,WHO made this seem like it is suddenly a good idea,after all the decades of not allowing it.

BTW,just because something isn't explicitly legal doesn't mean it is a good idea. If it had been a good idea,our Founding Fathers,who NO sane person can suggest were not a HELL of a lot smarter AND more honest that the creatures we now have in government,would have agreed to this back in the 1776,when it was a HELL of a lot harder for voters to get to the polls than it is today.
In line with the US Constitution, if those powers were not expressly delegated to the Federal Government, it did not have them (they were reserved to the States and the People).

If it didn't say it could, then it couldn't. That was clarified in The Bill of Rights, and later muddled by the courts as often as clarified further.

Perhaps the problem arises from the concept that people could show up in person and vote more cheaply than posting a vote in the mail of the day, so mail in voting was never even considered, any more than voting online.

I would not think that that would automatically give the State the authority to suck up that bit of power. I find the court's argument weak.
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Re: Pennsylvania: Legal Updates
« Reply #281 on: August 03, 2022, 01:00:52 am »
In line with the US Constitution, if those powers were not expressly delegated to the Federal Government, it did not have them (they were reserved to the States and the People).

If it didn't say it could, then it couldn't. That was clarified in The Bill of Rights, and later muddled by the courts as often as clarified further.

Perhaps the problem arises from the concept that people could show up in person and vote more cheaply than posting a vote in the mail of the day, so mail in voting was never even considered, any more than voting online.

I would not think that that would automatically give the State the authority to suck up that bit of power. I find the court's argument weak.

The Constitution very plainly says that members of congress shall be selected by methods created by the legislatures of the individual states. Doesn't say a damned word about judges, courts, governors, or secretaries of state.
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Re: Pennsylvania: Legal Updates
« Reply #282 on: August 03, 2022, 01:40:54 am »
The Constitution very plainly says that members of congress shall be selected by methods created by the legislatures of the individual states. Doesn't say a damned word about judges, courts, governors, or secretaries of state.
Precisely. Anything else is Unconstitutional and should be void--or avoided.
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