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Re: Michigan: Legal Updates
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2020, 03:02:50 am »
I have no idea what that is... What alternative explanations might exist... Has anyone tried to defend it?

Let me see if I can help you out with that @roamer_1 What you see there is what we commonly refer to as EVIDENCE.
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Re: Michigan: Legal Updates
« Reply #26 on: November 20, 2020, 03:20:11 am »
Let me see if I can help you out with that @roamer_1 What you see there is what we commonly refer to as EVIDENCE.

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No... Is the chart and source verified? Could there be other explanations? Sorry, but I will not bend to it until there is an argument... You know, like in a court. But of course, it looks bad as hell.

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Re: Michigan: Legal Updates
« Reply #27 on: November 20, 2020, 03:24:46 am »
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No... Is the chart and source verified? Could there be other explanations? Sorry, but I will not bend to it until there is an argument... You know, like in a court. But of course, it looks bad as hell.

Do you think me stupid @roamer_1 ?  Do you think I don't know that it will have to be verified and proven in a court of law which this forum is decidedly not!
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Re: Michigan: Legal Updates
« Reply #28 on: November 20, 2020, 05:05:48 am »
Do you think me stupid @roamer_1 ?  Do you think I don't know that it will have to be verified and proven in a court of law which this forum is decidedly not!

Then we should be in agreement @Bigun  :beer:
I guess we're pickin nits.

I see what's there, but I ain't willing to go down the garden path on it. Not till it solidifies.
Where we will likely part is in using such as this to discount the voters and turn it over to legislatures...
Not without bulletproof evidence...  and even then, it's just a terrible thing. No matter what, 70m people are gonna feel cheated, no matter which way it goes.

What would be best in my mind is the prove the fraud and excise the fraudulent ballots and let the People have their way.

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« Reply #29 on: November 20, 2020, 09:22:23 am »
Do you think me stupid @roamer_1 ?  Do you think I don't know that it will have to be verified and proven in a court of law which this forum is decidedly not!

@Bigun

That's rich.  Here you are, demonstrating the same frustration with @roamer_1 as I did in another thread...that he's purposefully ignoring clear evidence that the Election was stolen from the President...playing his stupid stubborn games.

All, under the premise that until he sees clear indisputable proof, he's going with "Tumpy" lost fair and square.

Allowing people to vote early with no ID...mail-in ballots not even requested.  Anybody with a 3-digit IQ knows that President Trump beat Biden-Harris like a rented mule...it was 1984 redux, except that Mondale didn't carry the same public baggage as The Sniffer...Gropey Grope Face.

It isn't like I tied roamer in a chair and tortured him.  It's like he tied the entire forum in a that chair, pulling out fingernails after smashing us with a hammer.  For over 4 YEARS!!

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Re: Michigan: Legal Updates
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2020, 02:13:47 pm »
@Bigun

That's rich.  Here you are, demonstrating the same frustration with @roamer_1 as I did in another thread...that he's purposefully ignoring clear evidence that the Election was stolen from the President...playing his stupid stubborn games.

All, under the premise that until he sees clear indisputable proof, he's going with "Tumpy" lost fair and square.

Allowing people to vote early with no ID...mail-in ballots not even requested.  Anybody with a 3-digit IQ knows that President Trump beat Biden-Harris like a rented mule...it was 1984 redux, except that Mondale didn't carry the same public baggage as The Sniffer...Gropey Grope Face.

It isn't like I tied roamer in a chair and tortured him.  It's like he tied the entire forum in a that chair, pulling out fingernails after smashing us with a hammer.  For over 4 YEARS!!

You want to be 'entertained' by a clown?  Go to a circus, not a Conservative Republican forum.

Perhaps the difference is in the manner I chose to engage him vs the one you choose.@DCPatriot
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Re: Michigan: Legal Updates
« Reply #31 on: November 20, 2020, 02:15:05 pm »

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Read the affidavit!

No TLDR here. Read it all. It's explosive! Massive analytical take showing how intentionally-broken #Dominion voting machines were used to create voter fraud all over!


https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf
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« Reply #32 on: November 20, 2020, 02:21:55 pm »
Michigan House speaker 'hasn't confirmed' he will attend 'extraordinary' White House meeting
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/michigan-house-speaker-hasnt-confirmed-he-will-attend-extraordinary-white-house-meeting
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« Reply #33 on: November 20, 2020, 02:28:38 pm »
Perhaps the difference is in the manner I chose to engage him vs the one you choose.@DCPatriot

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LOL!  Been there, done that.

My engagement with him as you suggest happened over months/years.  Eventually, you'll catch up with several of the rest of us here.   :patriot:
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Re: Michigan: Legal Updates
« Reply #34 on: November 20, 2020, 02:36:57 pm »

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Read the affidavit!

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https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.7.1_2.pdf

Thanks for the link. Pretty compelling information. People need to go to prison for awhile.

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« Reply #35 on: November 20, 2020, 02:39:05 pm »
Thanks for the link. Pretty compelling information. People need to go to prison for awhile.

 :yowsa: And not just a few!
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« Reply #38 on: November 20, 2020, 02:59:46 pm »
Unfortunately this: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php blew that up...

Judging by their performance to date going it to this matter, I have no doubt that the Trump lawyers know exactly what they are doing.  (I do not believe that Lin Wood is formally on that team and is representing himself as a Georgia citizen.)
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« Reply #39 on: November 20, 2020, 03:01:25 pm »
Trump campaign withdraws Michigan election lawsuit
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/19/trump-campaign-withdraws-michigan-election-lawsuit/

There is going to be much more of this kind of legal back and forth before this is all over and done with @mystery-ak
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« Reply #40 on: November 20, 2020, 03:15:58 pm »
November 20, 2020
What a computer expert said about voting results in Michigan
By Mark Landsbaum

Donald Trump's attorneys and investigators say he was winning Michigan by a landslide until ballot-counting computers were turned off in the middle of the night.  When they were turned back on, Joe Biden suddenly not only closed the gap, but surged ahead.

"My colleagues and I ... have studied ... the November 3, 2020, election results," said computer security expert Russ Ramsland of Allied Security Operations Group in a sworn affidavit Tuesday.  "Based on the significant anomalies and red flags that we have observed, we believe there is a significant probability that election results have been manipulated[.]"

Until about 2 A.M. election night, Trump was running ahead in Michigan, "generally winning between 55% and 60% of every turnout vote," said Ramsland.  "Then after the counting was closed at 2 a.m., the situation dramatically reversed itself, starting with a series of impossible spikes shortly after counting was supposed to have stopped."

Here's Ramsland's explanation: "The several spikes cast solely for Biden could easily be produced in the Dominion system by preloading batches of blank ballots in files such as Write-Ins, then casting them all for Biden using the Override Procedure ... that is available to the operator of the system."

"There were 289,866 more ballots processed in the time available for processing in four precincts/townships, than there was capacity," said Ramsland.

In plain English, that means they counted almost 300,000 more ballots than physically possible.

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« Reply #41 on: November 20, 2020, 03:19:46 pm »
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In plain English, that means they counted almost 300,000 more ballots than physically possible.

I would say that constitutes strong EVIDENCE of fraud!
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Re: Michigan: Legal Updates
« Reply #42 on: November 20, 2020, 03:40:42 pm »
Hey, @roamer_1
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Look at this in Michigan! A day AFTER the election, Biden receives a dump of 134,886 votes at 6:31AM!

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Nothing to see here,folks,it's just the typical Dim voter casting his or her votes before going to bed after a hard night of partying.

It's the equivalent of the typical working casting his or her vote on the way home after work.
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« Reply #43 on: November 20, 2020, 03:49:24 pm »
@Bigun

LOL!  Been there, done that.

My engagement with him as you suggest happened over months/years.  Eventually, you'll catch up with several of the rest of us here.   :patriot:
I respect @roamer_1 's opinion, but I think that at some point the evidence is there. It just needs to be presented in a logical and definitive way, something that can be and is proven in court. I understand that knowing something and proving it are two very different things, especially in the  legal arena. So let's get this stuff sorted, organized, and present the case.

I have little doubt about a few things I cannot prove in court, from the Chinese made virus being one leg deeper into the deep state than most here would say, to the fraud being more widespread than formerly imagined, likely even occurring in areas where it was neither effective nor needed (because the count would go for Trump anyway) just to provide a smokescreen of an apparently closer race in the areas where Biden was doomed to lose and provide the cover of 'legitimate' voting practices when they were not. (But Trump won, they couldn't have cheated becomes the excuse to cover, and that it was done in places where Trump won, so it couldn't have an effect where he didn't).
Proving my very strong suspicions is another matter, entirely.
and if even one iota of that is wrong or just off a little bit, then the finger of "CONSPIRACY THEORY" inevitably comes out to disregard the 99.99% that is correct.

So, he's right, and it wouldn't matter if there were 100 witnesses that said a UFO dropped off a million ballots for gropey Joe at the headquarters in Michigan, it would be disregarded. We're just talking about a tenth of that coming from unmarked vans, under the cover of darkness when the counting was shut down and people don;t even want to believe the vertical part of Biden's vote tally when NO OTHER CANDIDATE GOT ONE VOTE.

Now, I'm going to go have a talk with Elvis in the K mart parking lot next to his new ride, because it's just as probable as some of the vote totals being legit.
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« Reply #44 on: November 20, 2020, 04:08:58 pm »
@Bigun

That's rich.  Here you are, demonstrating the same frustration with @roamer_1 as I did in another thread...that he's purposefully ignoring clear evidence that the Election was stolen from the President...playing his stupid stubborn games.

All, under the premise that until he sees clear indisputable proof, he's going with "Tumpy" lost fair and square.

Allowing people to vote early with no ID...mail-in ballots not even requested.  Anybody with a 3-digit IQ knows that President Trump beat Biden-Harris like a rented mule...it was 1984 redux, except that Mondale didn't carry the same public baggage as The Sniffer...Gropey Grope Face.

It isn't like I tied roamer in a chair and tortured him.  It's like he tied the entire forum in a that chair, pulling out fingernails after smashing us with a hammer.  For over 4 YEARS!!

You want to be 'entertained' by a clown?  Go to a circus, not a Conservative Republican forum.

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« Reply #45 on: November 20, 2020, 04:14:00 pm »
I would say that constitutes strong EVIDENCE of fraud!

And I am on the record calling that particular thing a neat argument. Hard for me to see a way around it.

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« Reply #46 on: November 20, 2020, 06:31:34 pm »
And I am on the record calling that particular thing a neat argument. Hard for me to see a way around it.

Calling what @Bigun posted "clear evidence" a "neat argument" is purposefully being a circus clown.

So....WTF is wrong with YOU??
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« Reply #47 on: November 20, 2020, 06:37:53 pm »
I respect @roamer_1 's opinion, but I think that at some point the evidence is there. It just needs to be presented in a logical and definitive way, something that can be and is proven in court. I understand that knowing something and proving it are two very different things, especially in the  legal arena. So let's get this stuff sorted, organized, and present the case.

I have little doubt about a few things I cannot prove in court, from the Chinese made virus being one leg deeper into the deep state than most here would say, to the fraud being more widespread than formerly imagined, likely even occurring in areas where it was neither effective nor needed (because the count would go for Trump anyway) just to provide a smokescreen of an apparently closer race in the areas where Biden was doomed to lose and provide the cover of 'legitimate' voting practices when they were not. (But Trump won, they couldn't have cheated becomes the excuse to cover, and that it was done in places where Trump won, so it couldn't have an effect where he didn't).
Proving my very strong suspicions is another matter, entirely.
and if even one iota of that is wrong or just off a little bit, then the finger of "CONSPIRACY THEORY" inevitably comes out to disregard the 99.99% that is correct.

So, he's right, and it wouldn't matter if there were 100 witnesses that said a UFO dropped off a million ballots for gropey Joe at the headquarters in Michigan, it would be disregarded. We're just talking about a tenth of that coming from unmarked vans, under the cover of darkness when the counting was shut down and people don;t even want to believe the vertical part of Biden's vote tally when NO OTHER CANDIDATE GOT ONE VOTE.

Now, I'm going to go have a talk with Elvis in the K mart parking lot next to his new ride, because it's just as probable as some of the vote totals being legit.

In the overwhelming number of white collar crime cases successfully prosecuted 90 to 100% of the evidence presented is circumstantial. Some here might not be convincible if they are waiting for a bloody monogrammed glove.

There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence here, and even some direct evidence. My bet is they'll prove massive fraud in court. The question is how will the court react.

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« Reply #48 on: November 20, 2020, 06:56:03 pm »
Nope.  They rebuff any attempts to explain it, and fire anybody not willing to see 5 lights when there are only 4 (obscure Star Trek TNG reference).

I immediately got the reference... :beer:

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« Reply #49 on: November 20, 2020, 07:28:27 pm »
Trump campaign withdraws Michigan election lawsuit
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/nov/19/trump-campaign-withdraws-michigan-election-lawsuit/

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The secretary of state said in a statement Thursday that Michigan will conduct a long-planned state audit of the results as well as some “local performance audits.”