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Re: Wisconsin: Legal Updates
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2020, 03:51:17 pm »
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Guys, TV this morning, Wednesday, says Wayne County has certified their results.

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Certified or not, it does not change the FACT that there were more ballots cast in Wayne County than there are people eligible to vote.  Care to explain that one?
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Re: Wisconsin: Legal Updates
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2020, 04:59:24 pm »
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Certified or not, it does not change the FACT that there were more ballots cast in Wayne County than there are people eligible to vote.  Care to explain that one?
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IF what you say is true, it could happen if that state allows same day voter registration on election day.  Other than that, I do not know.

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« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2020, 05:01:25 pm »
Some cannot see the fire for all the damned smoke!
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Re: Wisconsin: Legal Updates
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2020, 05:09:02 pm »
Some cannot see the fire for all the damned smoke!

It is willful.  It isn't a matter of not being able to see.  It is a matter of consciously refusing to look.
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« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2020, 05:09:32 pm »
Some cannot see the fire for all the damned smoke!

And "some".... due to their hatred of Trump.... only see what they want to see.
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Re: Wisconsin: Legal Updates
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2020, 05:11:02 pm »

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Certified or not, it does not change the FACT that there were more ballots cast in Wayne County than there are people eligible to vote.  Care to explain that one?
This happens in every election that Democrats win. Has been happening for decades.
And the Republicans always ignore it. Once the election is over, all is forgotten.

Republicans haven't done a single solitary thing to stop Democrat fraud for decades.
The feeling I get from the Republican Congress all of them, for years and years is:
"I won. So screw everyone coming behind me. I got mine and that is enough!"

I guess once they get in, they just want to duck and hide and not to rock the boat.
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« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2020, 05:13:54 pm »
It is willful.  It isn't a matter of not being able to see.  It is a matter of consciously refusing to look.

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« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2020, 05:19:10 pm »
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Guys, TV this morning, Wednesday, says Wayne County has certified their results.

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Wrong! At first they voted against because there were far more VOTES than PEOPLE (Sad!). Then they were threatened, screamed at and viciously harassed, and were FORCED to change their vote, but then REFUSED, as American patriots, to sign the documents. 71% MESS. Don’t Harass!

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Re: Wisconsin: Legal Updates
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2020, 05:23:08 pm »
To set the record straight, my claim was incorrect.  It isn't that there were more votes received, it's that there are more registered voters in Wayne County than there are people eligible to vote.  My mistake.

I discovered the error shortly after posting it, but decided to leave it up just to see what @Victoria33 's response would be.  She did not disappoint.

For each and every piece of evidence introduced indicating any election discrepancy or indication of fraud will either be explained away with some absurd scenario or completely ignored outright.
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Re: Wisconsin: Legal Updates
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2020, 05:27:46 pm »
It really is.  And it should be a fairly simple thing to prove.

Not anymore.... They certified anyway.

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« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2020, 05:33:51 pm »
Not anymore.... They certified anyway.

The way I understand/read it... they conditioned that certification with a required audit.   Then and only then would they sign off on the certification.

Does anyone here know exactly which scenario is the correct one?
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« Reply #36 on: November 18, 2020, 05:37:33 pm »
Not anymore.... They certified anyway.
Doesn't the legislature have the authority to over turn the certification, if there is evidence of fraud.
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« Reply #37 on: November 18, 2020, 05:41:03 pm »
This happens in every election that Democrats win. Has been happening for decades.
And the Republicans always ignore it. Once the election is over, all is forgotten.

Republicans haven't done a single solitary thing to stop Democrat fraud for decades.
The feeling I get from the Republican Congress all of them, for years and years is:
"I won. So screw everyone coming behind me. I got mine and that is enough!"

I guess once they get in, they just want to duck and hide and not to rock the boat.
Its just flat cowardice. Republicans are afraid of having the race card pulled on them if they raise any concerns. A good example is what happened during the Wayne County Board of Canvassers' Zoom call last night - those who initially refused to certify were called - wait for it - racists.

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« Reply #38 on: November 18, 2020, 05:41:28 pm »
The primary reason for that is because cheating is never punished.  In the risk-reward equation, risk is non-existent.  And most posters here are really pissed off about it.


Well no... That may be, and in fact I believe it to be true... But even as honorable as feasibly possible, you will always find those that will push against the edges... It is the nature of some. Heck, it's MY nature. It's why I can do what I do... Some will ALWAYS try to hack the system.

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The squeaky wheel gets the grease, and this time around the wheel is a bit louder than usual.  It will be nearly impossible to overturn the perennial fraud in Wayne County.  Sure, they had more votes logged there than they have eligible voters.  But that is true every election.  But looking at the neighboring suburban counties, it is clear that Wayne-County-style ballot stuffing has been introduced.

Well it is now neither here nor there, unless the court stops the cert... Which is highly unlikely. Its proofs no longer verifiable, and its purpose no longer actionable. Nearly spilt milk at this time.


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« Reply #39 on: November 18, 2020, 05:42:43 pm »
Not anymore.... They certified anyway.

Nope.  The two R members have not signed the certification.  They've requested a full audit.

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« Reply #40 on: November 18, 2020, 05:43:15 pm »
Election headlines that start with "HUGE!" are usually the exact opposite IMO.

LOL! That's probably the most verifiable fact on this whole thread.

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« Reply #41 on: November 18, 2020, 05:49:02 pm »
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IF what you say is true, it could happen if that state allows same day voter registration on election day.  Other than that, I do not know.

No, the point being that they have no feasible way to process that many votes in the time frame in question. The quantity of votes far outstrips their ability to process them... That is a very good proof and a question that should be answered, albeit that it has been rendered moot.

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« Reply #42 on: November 18, 2020, 05:52:59 pm »
The way I understand/read it... they conditioned that certification with a required audit.   Then and only then would they sign off on the certification.

Does anyone here know exactly which scenario is the correct one?

Something like that... but it is literally kicking the can. If you think the fat cat politicos up the chain are more likely to enforce an audit than the boots on the ground, you've another think coming. Dollars to donuts, nothing will come of it now.

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« Reply #43 on: November 18, 2020, 05:53:43 pm »
No, the point being that they have no feasible way to process that many votes in the time frame in question. The quantity of votes far outstrips their ability to process them... That is a very good proof and a question that should be answered, albeit that it has been rendered moot.

Not so @roamer_1 See @Right_in_Virginia post just above.
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« Reply #44 on: November 18, 2020, 05:56:09 pm »
Doesn't the legislature have the authority to over turn the certification, if there is evidence of fraud.

I would suppose, as I also suppose the board o elections could stop the general cert from occurring because of the known certification of a questionable precinct. None of which becomes more likely with that certification at the precinct and the county being accomplished.

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« Reply #45 on: November 18, 2020, 05:58:33 pm »
Nope.  The two R members have not signed the certification.  They've requested a full audit.

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Well that is excellent news. Source plz?

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« Reply #46 on: November 18, 2020, 06:03:38 pm »
Guys, relax. They certified with audit conditions attached.

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« Reply #47 on: November 18, 2020, 06:05:54 pm »
Guys, relax. They certified with audit conditions attached.

In other words, No audit no certification!
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« Reply #48 on: November 18, 2020, 06:06:07 pm »
Guys, relax. They certified with audit conditions attached.

That's what I thought... And now we're going to see kick the can, followed by hot potato, followed by... nothing.

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« Reply #49 on: November 18, 2020, 06:07:24 pm »
Guys, relax. They certified with audit conditions attached.
Yep.  Like saying I will gladly buy your car if you will sell it for $1.
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