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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #50 on: November 30, 2020, 07:15:27 pm »
Quote from: catfish1957 on November 30, 2020, 07:08:13 pm
Pedo Joe is just using them under the cover of a ruse that he is including republicans as an olive branch of cooperation.    Calling Cindy or Meagan McCain a conservative is beyond a joke, and only the most neophyte of a political observer can't see that.

I can identify who's an abject neophyte in this thread, but you don't need me to.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #51 on: November 30, 2020, 07:16:48 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2020, 07:14:36 pm
And Cindy as Ambassador to UK, the most plum of all Diplomatic assignments.

Yep, selling her endorsement got her the goodies.   If she had done it on a street corner, we'd called it something else.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #52 on: November 30, 2020, 07:20:19 pm »
Regardless of what anyone on the internet thinks, the truth will forever remain the truth!
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #53 on: November 30, 2020, 07:24:31 pm »
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Regardless of what anyone on the internet thinks, the truth will forever remain the truth!

That is correct.   :amen:
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #54 on: November 30, 2020, 07:40:58 pm »
Quote from: Absalom on November 30, 2020, 06:46:07 pm
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Pete, well done.
You should conduct classes for some, about McCain!

Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2020, 06:55:59 pm
I agree with Pete's analysis of the Forrestal incident, and I also think McStain was the most treacherous US Senator ever. You have yet to refute the fact I've been closely watching McStain in action for the 40 years I've lived in first his Congressional District, and then Senator. 
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Pointing out that McCain could not have caused the Forrestal fire is just that and nothing more. The Zuni rocket had a known electrical system problem, and the bomb(s) that killed so many of the Forrestal's men should have been scrapped rather than used (a decision made in DC against the request of the captain of the Forrestal). They were know to have been improperly stored and showing signs of serious deterioration, the consequence of which was premature detonation early in the Forrestal fire. None of this is difficult to learn.

But the Forrestal fire happened in 1967 and has zero to do with McCain the politician. He got onto my "radar screen" in 2000 during the primary campaign when he started crapping on conservatives who didn't support him. McCain decayed into a bitter crap-weasel back-stabber. Or maybe what I saw was a continuation of what he had been before in Arizona.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #55 on: November 30, 2020, 07:45:25 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on November 30, 2020, 07:40:58 pm
Pointing out that McCain could not have caused the Forrestal fire is just that and nothing more. The Zuni rocket had a known electrical system problem, and the bomb(s) that killed so many of the Forrestal's men should have been scrapped rather than used (a decision made in DC against the request of the captain of the Forrestal). They were know to have been improperly stored and showing signs of serious deterioration, the consequence of which was premature detonation early in the Forrestal fire. None of this is difficult to learn.

But the Forrestal fire happened in 1967 and has zero to do with McCain the politician. He got onto my "radar screen" in 2000 during the primary campaign when he started crapping on conservatives who didn't support him. McCain decayed into a bitter crap-weasel back-stabber. Or maybe what I saw was a continuation of what he had been before in Arizona.

And I knew about McStain's political treachery for the 20 years before that.  To sit back and declare McStain the greatest Navy Pilot to have ever existed is both false and irrelevant.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #56 on: November 30, 2020, 07:49:27 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2020, 07:45:25 pm
... To sit back and declare McStain the greatest Navy Pilot to have ever existed is both false and irrelevant.

Butch O'Hare and Jimmy Flatley quickly come to mind. Dick Best and Wade McClusky .....
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #57 on: November 30, 2020, 07:56:30 pm »
Quote from: Absalom on November 30, 2020, 06:55:34 pm
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John McCain was a legitimate and recognized war hero; a Man of Honor.
Trump was a Vietnam draft dodger, fraud and hustler; a Narcissist w/o Honor or Integrity.

That's BS.  A war hero wouldn't have made propaganda tapes for his commie captors.  I've heard those tapes that McStain made.   Have you?
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #58 on: November 30, 2020, 08:05:10 pm »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on November 30, 2020, 07:49:27 pm
Butch O'Hare and Jimmy Flatley quickly come to mind. Dick Best and Wade McClusky .....

It's amazing how someone can graduate at almost the bottom of his Academy class can rise to the status of "Greatest pilot who ever walked the planet."

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McCain graduated from the Naval Academy in June 1958; he was fifth from the bottom in class rank, 894th out of 899.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_life_and_military_career_of_John_McCain#Naval_Academy

Making such a claim is a hallmark of one educated far, far beyond the grasp of his intelligence.
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #59 on: November 30, 2020, 08:17:44 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2020, 07:45:25 pm
And I knew about McStain's political treachery for the 20 years before that.  To sit back and declare McStain the greatest Navy Pilot to have ever existed is both false and irrelevant.

Correct, Cyber.  'NO NAME' is a traitor.  His goofing around on a ship, cost the lives of about 100+ service men.  His dad and grandfather were ADMIRALS and covered for him.  Then he crashed two planes. That cost tax payers a lot.  Men who had to deal with him in Vietnam,  loathe him.   RAT! 
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #60 on: November 30, 2020, 08:29:14 pm »
Could not find this quote. I have copy of POTUS TRUMP S.S. paper.  A draft dodger went to Canada.  He did not.  His number was #580.  For 3 years he was eligible for the draft.  Twice he was A-1, once he was Y-1.  Then he has student deferments. 

Bill Clinton, JOE  BIDEN,  Bernie Sanders, Mike Bloomberg...obama, did NOT SERVE EITHER.  Do they have zero integrity and are they narcissists? Why do people, keep repeating the FALSE INFORMATION? 


Quote from: Absalom on Today at 01:55:34 PM
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John McCain was a legitimate and recognized war hero; a Man of Honor.
Trump was a Vietnam draft dodger, fraud and hustler; a Narcissist w/o Honor or Integrity.
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« Reply #61 on: November 30, 2020, 09:48:42 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2020, 06:55:59 pm
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You have yet to refute the fact I've been closely watching McStain in action for the 40 years I've lived in first his Congressional District, and then Senator. 
I find your deliberate neglect of his record as a Politician personally insulting.  What would you do, if you were a Moderator of this Forum?
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I asserted facts about McCain's Naval career & War record culled from the Navy Dept. and Congressional Records; as such have nothing to prove. If you disagree, take it up w/them.
You asserted a negative opinion of McCain, based on your experience/perception of him,
to which you're certainly entitled.
For me, McCain's War Record defines his character and certainly not any Political record,
in which I have no interest for a simple reason.
Hardly an excuse, yet Politicians are predictably less than honorable because of the
circumstances and situations they allow themselves to become entangled with.
As for your problem, suggest you reflect on the clear distinction between a fact and an opinion.
Nothing further.



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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #62 on: November 30, 2020, 10:23:18 pm »
Quote from: LegalAmerican on November 30, 2020, 08:29:14 pm
Could not find this quote. I have copy of POTUS TRUMP S.S. paper.  A draft dodger went to Canada.  He did not.  His number was #580.  For 3 years he was eligible for the draft.  Twice he was A-1, once he was Y-1.  Then he has student deferments. 
Bill Clinton, JOE  BIDEN,  Bernie Sanders, Mike Bloomberg...obama, did NOT SERVE EITHER.  Do they have zero integrity and are they narcissists? Why do people, keep repeating the FALSE INFORMATION? 
Quote from: Absalom on Today at 01:55:34 PM
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John McCain was a legitimate and recognized war hero; a Man of Honor.
Trump was a Vietnam draft dodger, fraud and hustler; a Narcissist w/o Honor or Integrity.
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A Podiatrist Tennant of Trump's old man diagnosed the Donald w/Bone spurs rendering
him unfit for military service; in exchange for a revised and inexpensive office lease.
The Podiatrist's Daughter who was his Office Manager, affirmed this in testimony before a
Grand Jury and the NY County District Attorney some 50 years ago.
« Last Edit: December 01, 2020, 12:34:49 am by Absalom »
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #63 on: November 30, 2020, 10:26:57 pm »
Quote from: Absalom on November 30, 2020, 10:23:18 pm
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A Podiatrist Tennant of Trump's old man diagnosed the Donald w/Bone spurs rendering
him unfit for military service; in exchange for a revised and inexpensive office lease.
The Podiatrist's Daughter and his Office Manager, affirmed this in testimony before a
Grand Jury and the NY County District Attorney some 50 years ago.

Is there a term for when argument winning facts are presented but you are fully aware they will be dismissed and it leaves you feeling both exasperated and blithely amused?

The germans must have word for that...
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Re: John McCain - Hero Or Rat ? And Everything Else
« Reply #64 on: November 30, 2020, 10:44:55 pm »
Quote from: Absalom on November 30, 2020, 09:48:42 pm
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I asserted facts about McCain's Naval career & War record culled from the Navy Dept.
and Congressional Records and have nothing to prove. If you disagree, take it up w/them.
You asserted a negative opinion of McCain, based on your experience/perception of him,
to which you're certainly entitled.
For me, McCain's War Record defines his character and certainly not any Political record,
in which I have no interest for a simple reason.
Hardly an excuse, yet Politicians are predictably less than honorable because of the
circumstances and situations they allow themselves to become entangled with.
As for your problem, suggest you reflect on the clear distinction between a fact and an opinion.
Nothing further.

Applicable quote from Marion Barry, former Mayor of DeeCee:  "If you take out all the murders, Washington DC has a very low crime rate." 

If I neglect the treachery while holding political office for over 35 years, McStain was a fine soldier based on a few years at the Hanoi Hilton.

@Absalom, since you've made it a point to ignore his political career, you are probably posting your hagiography on the wrong Forum.
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« Reply #65 on: November 30, 2020, 10:50:36 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2020, 10:44:55 pm
Applicable quote from Marion Barry, former Mayor of DeeCee:  "If you take out all the murders, Washington DC has a very low crime rate." 

If I neglect the treachery while holding political office for over 35 years, McStain was a fine soldier based on a few years at the Hanoi Hilton.

@Absalom, since you've made it a point to ignore his political career, you are probably posting your hagiography on the wrong Forum.

"a few years at the Hanoi Hilton" is the 5.5 years of torture and captivity that left him disabled, right?
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« Reply #66 on: November 30, 2020, 11:20:26 pm »
Quote from: Knox27 on November 30, 2020, 10:50:36 pm
"a few years at the Hanoi Hilton" is the 5.5 years of torture and captivity that left him disabled, right?

Sorry, the McCain hagiography department is two Forums to the left.

(What about the 35+ years of torturing the citizens of a State?)
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« Reply #67 on: December 01, 2020, 12:03:05 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on November 30, 2020, 11:20:26 pm
Sorry, the McCain hagiography department is two Forums to the left.

(What about the 35+ years of torturing the citizens of a State?)

Whatever McCain was in 1967 - 52 years before he died - what I saw in the last 19 years of his life was 19 years of what he had made himself, a consistently bitter envious crap-weaseling back-stabber.
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« Reply #68 on: December 01, 2020, 12:10:47 am »
Quote from: PeteS in CA on December 01, 2020, 12:03:05 am
Whatever McCain was in 1967 - 52 years before he died - what I saw in the last 19 years of his life was 19 years of what he had made himself, a consistently bitter envious crap-weaseling back-stabber.

That sizes it up very well.  Yet, we're supposed to cut him a DeeCee size piece of slack because he's a "war hero."  The hagiography I am seeing on this thread is appalling.
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« Reply #69 on: December 01, 2020, 12:14:00 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 01, 2020, 12:10:47 am
That sizes it up very well.  Yet, we're supposed to cut him a DeeCee size piece of slack because he's a "war hero."  The hagiography I am seeing on this thread is appalling.

And calling him a war hero is a gross affront to those who actually ARE war heroes!
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« Reply #70 on: December 01, 2020, 12:20:53 am »
Quote from: Bigun on December 01, 2020, 12:14:00 am
And calling him a war hero is a gross affront to those who actually ARE war heroes!

It's an affront to the good men who had their testicles and other body parts blown off in Nam. 
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« Reply #71 on: December 01, 2020, 12:26:19 am »
He's gone and should be forgotten.
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« Reply #72 on: December 01, 2020, 12:26:24 am »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on December 01, 2020, 12:10:47 am
That sizes it up very well.  Yet, we're supposed to cut him a DeeCee size piece of slack because he's a "war hero."  The hagiography I am seeing on this thread is appalling.
he had the right enemies. That’s all his fans here care about.
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« Reply #73 on: December 01, 2020, 12:29:07 am »
Quote from: skeeter on December 01, 2020, 12:26:24 am
he had the right enemies. That’s all his fans here care about.

One of the hagiographers just showed up on the Moderators' radar screen....
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« Reply #74 on: December 01, 2020, 12:29:59 am »
Quote from: Bigun on December 01, 2020, 12:14:00 am
And calling him a war hero is a gross affront to those who actually ARE war heroes!
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So perhaps the Military awards the DCF, Silver Star and Bronze Star to time servers???
Isn't it way past time you ceased embarrassing yourself???
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