There’s No Going Back To ‘Normal’ After Trump. The Republican Party Is Changed Forever

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There’s No Going Back To ‘Normal’ After Trump. The Republican Party Is Changed Forever

Republicans who don’t like Trump want to go back to 'normal,' but the old GOP is dead. Trump made a new party, and that is the party of the future.

By Molly McCann
October 28, 2020

Donald Trump is not a Republican. He never was before, and he is not one now. As the nation speeds toward Nov. 3, members of the GOP have been all over the board with predictions about the outcome, but some prominent Republicans have been consistently negative about Trump’s prospects and even hopeful for his defeat.

Peggy Noonan penned an archetypal anti-Trump article this month, titled “Biden, Pence and the Wish for Normalcy.” Noonan mused almost longingly that America might be headed toward an unprecedented landslide in favor of Joe Biden. If this happens, she said, one of the primary reasons will simply be “that [Biden] is normal … and people miss normal so much.”

Noonan, like many Republicans who don’t like Trump, wants to go back to normal. The reality is we are never going back to “normal.” The old Republican Party is dead. Trump made a new party, and that is the party of the future.

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[skeeter]

The problem is the normal GOP doesn’t WANT to win. They just want, as this essay calls it, their personal ‘sinecures’.

[goatprairie]

This is another "Trump Is The Greatest Person In the History Of America And Anybody Who Doesn't Agree With Me Is An Evil Satanist Taker!!!" article.
Trump got the nomination in 2016 for the simple reason he got in front of the other candidates concerning illegal immigration. Full stop.
If he had championed all the other things he's been yammering about i.e. trade, foreign affairs, etc., and not illegal immigration, he wouldn't have gotten nominated.
There is nobody on the horizon like Trump, not his children or anybody else.
To say that the Republican Party definitely won't go back to the old ways is being a tad hasty.
I like some of his ventures especially cracking down on illegal immigration. One hundred million or five hundred million extra people from sh*thole countries will ruin the U.S.  He's also been a great champion of America opposed to Democrat pols who love to run the country down.
Some of his other policies are very questionable as to helping the people they're intended to help like tariffs or his letting criminals out of jail venture.
So we'll see what happens when he's out of the picture. I'd be betting that the subsequent Pubbie leaders will be more non-Trumplike than Trumplike.

[Absalom]

This is another "Trump Is The Greatest Person In the History Of America And Anybody Who Doesn't Agree With Me Is An Evil Satanist Taker!!!" article.
Trump got the nomination in 2016 for the simple reason he got in front of the other candidates concerning illegal immigration. Full stop.
If he had championed all the other things he's been yammering about i.e. trade, foreign affairs, etc., and not illegal immigration, he wouldn't have gotten nominated.
There is nobody on the horizon like Trump, not his children or anybody else.
To say that the Republican Party definitely won't go back to the old ways is being a tad hasty.
I like some of his ventures especially cracking down on illegal immigration. One hundred million or five hundred million extra people from sh*thole countries will ruin the U.S.  He's also been a great champion of America opposed to Democrat pols who love to run the country down.
Some of his other policies are very questionable as to helping the people they're intended to help like tariffs or his letting criminals out of jail venture.
So we'll see what happens when he's out of the picture. I'd be betting that the subsequent Pubbie leaders will be more non-Trumplike than Trumplike.

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Intuitive and reflective.
That the R's would nominate the likes of Trump, given his reputation on
record, confirms their only interest was self and they are devoid of all principle.
As Judgement day looms, if the R's lose the WH & Congress, expect the Party
to whither and die; then the D's to follow, because of their impulsive extravagance.
Then our nation/state will face the choice of reclaiming the values/virtues of our
Founders or continuing to embrace frauds and hustlers masquerading as leaders.

[goatprairie]

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Intuitive and reflective.
That the R's would nominate the likes of Trump, given his reputation on
record, confirms their only interest was self and they are devoid of all principle.
As Judgement day looms, if the R's lose the WH & Congress, expect the Party
to whither and die; then the D's to follow, because of their impulsive extravagance.
Then our nation/state will face the choice of reclaiming the values/virtues of our
Founders or continuing to embrace frauds and hustlers masquerading as leaders.

Don't get me wrong....I am voting for Trump. Because whatever I get with Trump, I'll get zero from the Democrats.
Nevertheless, the fight is to keep America a constitution-bound country something the Democrat Party intends on destroying.

[Fishrrman]

goat wrote:
"To say that the Republican Party definitely won't go back to the old ways is being a tad hasty."

I predict that the party WILL go "back to the old ways".
And that's why I also predict that Mr. Trump will be either the last Republican elected president, or the next-to-last -- before the upcoming socialist/communist revolution, that is.

[goatprairie]

goat wrote:
"To say that the Republican Party definitely won't go back to the old ways is being a tad hasty."

I predict that the party WILL go "back to the old ways".
And that's why I also predict that Mr. Trump will be either the last Republican elected president, or the next-to-last -- before the upcoming socialist/communist revolution, that is.

We shall see. I think a Biden-Harris admin will be a rank disaster even worse than Obama-Biden. Biden as president wouldn't  have been quite as bad, but Obama was in charge.
This time it's very possible that Biden won't last one term...which would leave Comrade Harris in charge. She would completely give in to AOC and the other radicals. Especially if the Dems get control of both houses as is very possible.
The socialist measures they will try to foist on the country will create a great deal of resentment. Even liberals don't like their BMWs confiscated to stop globull warming.
If that happens, there might be room for a Pubbie resurgence in 2024.
I'm not optimistic...like you I think the idiots coming up who think socialism is great will take control and shape the political direction of the country for a generation.
If that happens, it will take a series of catastrophes to turn the country around.  That's if enough true Americans are left after many of them are executed or thrown into concentration camps.
Another civil war is not an impossibility.

[roamer_1]

I will say that the party never got out of its 'old ways'... Nothing has changed. The levers of power are still in the hands of the moderate wing... The same globalist corporate agenda is moving forward...

Not even a dent. Tumpy leaves, his EOs get overturned and it's business as usual.

[libertybele]

We shall see. I think a Biden-Harris admin will be a rank disaster even worse than Obama-Biden. Biden as president wouldn't  have been quite as bad, but Obama was in charge.
This time it's very possible that Biden won't last one term...which would leave Comrade Harris in charge. She would completely give in to AOC and the other radicals. Especially if the Dems get control of both houses as is very possible.
The socialist measures they will try to foist on the country will create a great deal of resentment. Even liberals don't like their BMWs confiscated to stop globull warming.
If that happens, there might be room for a Pubbie resurgence in 2024.
I'm not optimistic...like you I think the idiots coming up who think socialism is great will take control and shape the political direction of the country for a generation.
If that happens, it will take a series of catastrophes to turn the country around.  That's if enough true Americans are left after many of them are executed or thrown into concentration camps.
Another civil war is not an impossibility.

I don't know a lot of people but people that I do know and people that I encounter here and there have expressed that they feel a civil war is likely.  This wasn't the case over a year ago. 

Once socialism takes hold there is no going back -- our Constitution will be shredded.  I think this is the point that some don't seem to understand.  Once our Republic falls; its gone and I still believe that U.N. troops are still standing by waiting for the collapse --- like him or not the only person right now standing in their way is President Donald J. Trump.

If we should see him re-elected we have 4 very short years to ensure that laws are enacted making it impossible for the DEMS to impose their leftist agenda and socialistic ideals -- I don't even know if that is something that can be accomplished, especially with the liberal school systems still in play.  The liberal indoctrination of our youth needs to stop and every effort needs to be made to re-educate them and instill in them patriotism and American exceptionalism. 

[Absalom]

I will say that the party never got out of its 'old ways'... Nothing has changed. The levers of power are still in the hands of the moderate wing... The same globalist corporate agenda is moving forward...
Not even a dent. Tumpy leaves, his EOs get overturned and it's business as usual.

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Roamer, as always, reality not sentiment governs your intuition.
The GOP has been "moderate" (progressive) since Fremont of
California in 1856 and never altered that perspective. Never.
Sadly so few understand or accept this!

[skeeter]

goat wrote:
"To say that the Republican Party definitely won't go back to the old ways is being a tad hasty."

I predict that the party WILL go "back to the old ways".
And that's why I also predict that Mr. Trump will be either the last Republican elected president, or the next-to-last -- before the upcoming socialist/communist revolution, that is.

Yeah. God willing the leftist Orks can be held off for a few more years, during which time enough Americans to make a difference might have an epiphany.

A very slender reed but it’s our only chance. And of course with God anything is possible.

[Idiot]

Yeah. God willing the leftist Orks can be held off for a few more years, during which time enough Americans to make a difference might have an epiphany.

A very slender reed but it’s our only chance. And of course with God anything is possible.

[roamer_1]

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Roamer, as always, reality not sentiment governs your intuition.
The GOP has been "moderate" (progressive) since Fremont of
California in 1856 and never altered that perspective. Never.
Sadly so few understand or accept this!

Pretty much true. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

I remember the 2016 primary because we fought over it in here. And all of the candidates were fighting over each other to be the most "Reagan-like", either lionizing reagan (who kids under 40 knew nothing about at that point), people like Carly Fiorina actually sounded like she was going to nuke russia the next day, platitudes about "limited government", blah blah blah. Good riddance to bad trash.

[Right_in_Virginia]

FTA

The old Republican Party is dead. Trump supporters have witnessed the corruption at home and understand the threats we face from abroad, and we see that politics has changed. We cannot go back to “normal” if we want to turn this ship around. Trump’s new party is composed of people who still believe in the American dream for themselves and for each other. This new party is ready to do the difficult work necessary to peacefully but decisively, and without apology or compromise, return this country to its founding principles.

Be wary of the negative assaults of otherwise “good” Republicans, and don’t let them dissuade you. When the chaos of this current realignment settles, it will be clear that they aren’t in our party. Their party failed. Ours is going to lead America back to prosperity and encourage a global movement toward national sovereignty and freedom.

QFT   

[dancer]

The problem is the normal GOP doesn’t WANT to win. They just want, as this essay calls it, their personal ‘sinecures’.

Those personal ‘sinecures’ are extremely profitable. 

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

FTA

QFT

The George Floyd debacle opened by eyes to all the rot in this garbage party.

[goatprairie]

As far as Republican presidents or prez candidates being mostly moderate past and present, people have to remember that until about fifty years ago, most politicians on the national stage were social conservatives. The current Dem Party presidents and prez candidates didn't start their "progressive" i.e. leftist bent until George McGovern was nominated in 1972. Even FDR, who  created  the welfare state, didn't have a social program as radical as McGovern's. He was even too radical for me a Dem at the time. I voted for some candidate down the list neither Nixon nor McGovern. No, not Wallace.
    So, many of the hot social topics of today like abortion and homosexual marriage were never big issues until around 1970.  The great majority of people from both parties before 1970, pols and non-pols, agreed on most social issues. Like my Dem-voting parents who were about as socially conservative as you could get.
Goldwater was the first Republican presidential candidate who outlined a conservative vision for America. Reagan was the first elected Pubbie prez who tried to put a conservative program into practice. Coolidge was pretty conservative, but he never stressed a conservative program like Goldwater and Reagan did. Eisenhower, Nixon, and the Bushes were all more moderate.
Will the Pubbie prez candidates after Trump be conservative, moderate, or populist? Who knows?

[berdie]

You bring up excellent points @goatprairie . Until recently, Americans, on the whole were on the same page regarding social issues. It really wasn't part of a campaign.

[Weird Tolkienish Figure]

As far as Republican presidents or prez candidates being mostly moderate past and present, people have to remember that until about fifty years ago, most politicians on the national stage were social conservatives. The current Dem Party presidents and prez candidates didn't start their "progressive" i.e. leftist bent until George McGovern was nominated in 1972. Even FDR, who  created  the welfare state, didn't have a social program as radical as McGovern's. He was even too radical for me a Dem at the time. I voted for some candidate down the list neither Nixon nor McGovern. No, not Wallace.
    So, many of the hot social topics of today like abortion and homosexual marriage were never big issues until around 1970.  The great majority of people from both parties before 1970, pols and non-pols, agreed on most social issues. Like my Dem-voting parents who were about as socially conservative as you could get.
Goldwater was the first Republican presidential candidate who outlined a conservative vision for America. Reagan was the first elected Pubbie prez who tried to put a conservative program into practice. Coolidge was pretty conservative, but he never stressed a conservative program like Goldwater and Reagan did. Eisenhower, Nixon, and the Bushes were all more moderate.
Will the Pubbie prez candidates after Trump be conservative, moderate, or populist? Who knows?

I've always wondered if both parties would fracture, and we could actually have a viable 3 or 4 way race. I'd love that.

The 2012 election was the most damaging of my lifetime and i'll never vote for a squish loser hack like Romney again.

[roamer_1]

As far as Republican presidents or prez candidates being mostly moderate past and present, people have to remember that until about fifty years ago, most politicians on the national stage were social conservatives. The current Dem Party presidents and prez candidates didn't start their "progressive" i.e. leftist bent until George McGovern was nominated in 1972. Even FDR, who  created  the welfare state, didn't have a social program as radical as McGovern's. He was even too radical for me a Dem at the time. I voted for some candidate down the list neither Nixon nor McGovern. No, not Wallace.
    So, many of the hot social topics of today like abortion and homosexual marriage were never big issues until around 1970.  The great majority of people from both parties before 1970, pols and non-pols, agreed on most social issues. Like my Dem-voting parents who were about as socially conservative as you could get.
Goldwater was the first Republican presidential candidate who outlined a conservative vision for America. Reagan was the first elected Pubbie prez who tried to put a conservative program into practice. Coolidge was pretty conservative, but he never stressed a conservative program like Goldwater and Reagan did. Eisenhower, Nixon, and the Bushes were all more moderate.
Will the Pubbie prez candidates after Trump be conservative, moderate, or populist? Who knows?

I said something close to this @goatprairie , speculating as to why, or even maybe observing the necessity of Reagan having added the social conservatives to Goldwater's standing recipe... In part that could be considered a knee-jerk reaction to the times... Or rather, one could consider it formulating a construct never having been necessary before, as the social issues were not part of the national argument in prior years.

Until shortly before Reagan, there was no need to conserve the Judeo-Christian Ethic. By Reagan's day that structure had to be formed and its warriors called up.

Great observation.