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Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« on: October 15, 2020, 01:39:42 pm »
October 15, 2020
Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
By John Kudla

The polls appear to be shifting in favor of Joe Biden.  A commonly heard explanation from Trump supporters is many of the polls are oversampling Democrats.  This is true in some cases but not all.  So, is something else going on here we do not really understand?

It is difficult to get an accurate sample of the electorate, especially when party affiliation numbers vary with the political climate.  According to a Gallup survey during the first two weeks of September, party affiliation comes in at Republican 29%, Democrat 30%, and Independent 40%.  When you factor in voters who lean one way or the other, the split is a 5% Democrat advantage, 50-45. 

Most of the polls in the Real Clear Politics National Average, at least the ones without a subscription in which I can find data on party affiliation, are fairly close to the Democrat +5 number.

    The Harris poll of registered voters gives the Democrats a 5% polling advantage, 37-32, and has Biden up by 5 points.
    Fox News gives Democrats a 7-point advantage 49-42, and has Biden up by 10.
    Reuters gives Democrats a 4-point advantage, 45-41, and has Biden up by 12 points.  The party split sounds reasonable, but these are registered voters, and 9% of their sample is not Republican, Democrat, or Independent, making them an unknown factor.
    CNN gives the Democrats a 5-point advantage, 33-28, and has Biden up by 16 points.
    The latest Economist/YouGov poll favors Democrats by 10%, 37-27.  They have Biden up by 9. Oversampling of Democrats appears to be the game here.
    The New York Times poll is a surprise. It gives Republicans a 1-point advantage, 32-33, and has Biden up by 8.

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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2020, 01:58:16 pm »
Dear God, I sure hope so.
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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2020, 02:06:54 pm »
The democrats and their public relations arm, the fifth column media, are whistling pass the graveyard.

Events are shaping up for a Trump victory in nineteen days.

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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2020, 02:19:50 pm »
I don't know of any conservatives who will answer a pollster's call.

The left on the other hand wants to inflict their self righteous virtue upon whomever is around.

So I have no reason to believe the polls are anywhere near accurate.

We'll know soon enough.

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« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2020, 02:32:28 pm »
I don't know of any conservatives who will answer a pollster's call.

The left on the other hand wants to inflict their self righteous virtue upon whomever is around.

So I have no reason to believe the polls are anywhere near accurate.

We'll know soon enough.

The whole cellular phenomena is not taken into account either. From a cold-calling point of view, phones capable of ignoring calls not in a contact list, or black-listing numbers would be hard to account statistically. My business phone, I routinely have to answer, regardless of the area code, or whether or not I know the CallerID... And I get bombed incessantly on those lines. The tell on those calls is that I answer to a robo-hold - Any of which I immediately end. if folks ain't willing to call me directly with a hoomin, I ain't willing to hold.

But my personal phone, I routinely drop calls I don't recognize. I get a few texts now and then, which go right into the block-ether right along with those calls I don't recognize.

Pretty hard to be a cold-caller in that environment. Pretty much what you will get is the political acolytes willing to participate, with the lion's share not giving a crap... or an interview.

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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2020, 05:27:50 pm »
At least here locally Trump supporters are heading to the polls in record numbers.  There is a 1 hour wait to vote here.  Unprecedented......

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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2020, 07:13:25 pm »
The whole cellular phenomena is not taken into account either. From a cold-calling point of view, phones capable of ignoring calls not in a contact list, or black-listing numbers would be hard to account statistically. My business phone, I routinely have to answer, regardless of the area code, or whether or not I know the CallerID... And I get bombed incessantly on those lines. The tell on those calls is that I answer to a robo-hold - Any of which I immediately end. if folks ain't willing to call me directly with a hoomin, I ain't willing to hold.

But my personal phone, I routinely drop calls I don't recognize. I get a few texts now and then, which go right into the block-ether right along with those calls I don't recognize.

Pretty hard to be a cold-caller in that environment. Pretty much what you will get is the political acolytes willing to participate, with the lion's share not giving a crap... or an interview.

Add to that the "hostility factor."  People are pissed at pollsters because their predictions routinely fail now, and always to the perceived benefit of Democrats.  Random chance would call for both sides being equally impacted, and that is simply not the case.  It's like recounting ballots.  Used to be, recounts shifted results both ways over time, and now Democrats almost exclusively benefit from them.  That screams "something's wrong!" with thinking people.
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« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2020, 07:16:23 pm »
Add to that the "hostility factor."  People are pissed at pollsters because their predictions routinely fail now, and always to the perceived benefit of Democrats.  Random chance would call for both sides being equally impacted, and that is simply not the case.  It's like recounting ballots.  Used to be, recounts shifted results both ways over time, and now Democrats almost exclusively benefit from them.  That screams "something's wrong!" with thinking people.

All that... YEP!

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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2020, 10:22:55 pm »
The Trump supporters may "roar" on November 3rd.

But this time, I sense they're going to be "out-roared" by the minions (millions of minions) of the leftist/communists.

I'm not happy about making such a prediction.
I want to see the lightning strike again, as it did in 2016.
Will it?
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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2020, 10:27:24 pm »
The Trump supporters may "roar" on November 3rd.

But this time, I sense they're going to be "out-roared" by the minions (millions of minions) of the leftist/communists.

I'm not happy about making such a prediction.
I want to see the lightning strike again, as it did in 2016.
Will it?
In the same place twice...?

You overestimate the power of the American Communists.
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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2020, 06:44:34 pm »
Cyber wrote:
"You overestimate the power of the American Communists."

I've been reading "Witness", Whittaker Chambers' account of his life and the Alger Hiss trial. I'll let him address your statement, for his response is far better than anything I could write:
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It is sometimes said that the Communist penetration of the United States Government, while sensational, was after all comparatively small. The comparison is with the thousands of loyal Government employes. I think this a poor yardstick. Effectiveness, not numbers, is a more accurate measure of the infiltration.
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« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2020, 06:56:44 pm »
Cyber wrote:
"You overestimate the power of the American Communists."

I've been reading "Witness", Whittaker Chambers' account of his life and the Alger Hiss trial. I'll let him address your statement, for his response is far better than anything I could write:
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It is sometimes said that the Communist penetration of the United States Government, while sensational, was after all comparatively small. The comparison is with the thousands of loyal Government employes. I think this a poor yardstick. Effectiveness, not numbers, is a more accurate measure of the infiltration.
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I'm a fan of Chambers.
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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2020, 12:17:15 am »
Chambers words were good for his day, but we have a dumbed down population, 40% of those under 40 claim they would prefer socialism.  So there are many more idiots running about all too willing to go the route of Venezuela.  And they do not comprehend the danger in doing that.  They are utterly clueless.

I have three children in their 30s, and I would not give you a wooden nickel for their knowledge or comprehension on politics, economics, and governance.  Clueless, truly clueless. 

so, the TRUMP TSUNAMI HITS NOVEMBER 3RD

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« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2020, 12:36:46 am »
At least here locally Trump supporters are heading to the polls in record numbers.  There is a 1 hour wait to vote here.  Unprecedented......

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« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2020, 12:42:00 am »
Chambers words were good for his day, but we have a dumbed down population, 40% of those under 40 claim they would prefer socialism.  So there are many more idiots running about all too willing to go the route of Venezuela.  And they do not comprehend the danger in doing that.  They are utterly clueless.

I have three children in their 30s, and I would not give you a wooden nickel for their knowledge or comprehension on politics, economics, and governance.  Clueless, truly clueless. 

so, the TRUMP TSUNAMI HITS NOVEMBER 3RD

@jafo2010

Even my ex is fired up about this election and voting for Trump,and as for her wit and wisdom,let's just say it was a good thing for her she was beautiful and stacked. Still looks good for her age. She is 62,and can pass for early 40's with no makeup.

I was actually shocked to talk politics with her,and her agreeing with everything I said,and adding her own observations.

Oh,and she comes from a family where EVERYBODY has voted Dim for generations. Her sister is voting for Trump,too,and she is only slightly more alert than my ex.

The Dims probably could have gotten away with it if their candidate had been someone merely retarded,like Goober Gore,but Slow Joe ain't even pretending,and his handlers are keeping him on a short leash.

People are noticing this,and not liking it.
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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2020, 03:49:41 am »
Sneaky, the best projection for Trump I have seen is that he takes 36 states in this election.

Again, I think the number of voters who have kept their cards close to their vest is double, perhaps even triple what they were in 2016.  There was a survey that indicated he had 14% of the African American vote, and I have seen estimates as high as 35%.  Even at 14%, that is a 6% increase over 2016.

And I have seen numbers on Florida where Trump has greater than 50% of the Hispanic vote.  And like you are referring, how many people voted for Hillary that are now running around and saying they intend to vote for Trump?  MANY!!!

How can anyone in good conscience vote for a man that is not functional, is treated with kid gloves by the corrupt media, and often is not permitted to be seen after 10AM.  They even have a name for it, putting a lid on Biden.  Who goes three months without being seen by the public and is elected POTUS?  NO ONE!!!! 

Joe Clueless is the worst candidate in USA history.  Hillary was supposed to be a slam dunk, and that is in part why she did not campaign much more than Biden.  Both were NOT physically fit to be POTUS. 

I PREDICT SURPRISES ON NOVEMBER 3RD...TRUMP TAKES 40 STATES WITH ELECTORAL COLLEGE

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« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2020, 02:56:21 pm »
Sneaky, the best projection for Trump I have seen is that he takes 36 states in this election.

Again, I think the number of voters who have kept their cards close to their vest is double, perhaps even triple what they were in 2016.  There was a survey that indicated he had 14% of the African American vote, and I have seen estimates as high as 35%.  Even at 14%, that is a 6% increase over 2016.

And I have seen numbers on Florida where Trump has greater than 50% of the Hispanic vote.  And like you are referring, how many people voted for Hillary that are now running around and saying they intend to vote for Trump?  MANY!!!

How can anyone in good conscience vote for a man that is not functional, is treated with kid gloves by the corrupt media, and often is not permitted to be seen after 10AM.  They even have a name for it, putting a lid on Biden.  Who goes three months without being seen by the public and is elected POTUS?  NO ONE!!!! 

Joe Clueless is the worst candidate in USA history.  Hillary was supposed to be a slam dunk, and that is in part why she did not campaign much more than Biden.  Both were NOT physically fit to be POTUS. 

I PREDICT SURPRISES ON NOVEMBER 3RD...TRUMP TAKES 40 STATES WITH ELECTORAL COLLEGE

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I had my doubts when you started making this 40-states prediction. But, I gotta say, I’m feeling much more confident lately that you maybe right about everything.  :beer:

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Re: Will the Silent Trump Voters Roar on November 3rd?
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2020, 10:40:41 pm »
Jafo:
"I PREDICT SURPRISES ON NOVEMBER 3RD...TRUMP TAKES 40 STATES WITH ELECTORAL COLLEGE"

I'd jump up and down to see this, but it ain't gonna happen.

Once again, for the record:
Mr. Trump -- if he wins -- will lose the popular vote for the second time.
If he wins, he'll win by the Electoral College, but possibly with FEWER EC votes than he received last time.

And finally:
If he wins, Mr. Trump will likely become the last Republican president elected in the lifetimes of most of the regular posters of this forum.

I can't see anyone who could fill his shoes or continue to challenge and thwart the burgeoning democrat-communist (soon to become the "communist-democrat") insurgency and underground revolution currently underway in this country.

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« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2020, 10:54:16 pm »
Jafo:
"I PREDICT SURPRISES ON NOVEMBER 3RD...TRUMP TAKES 40 STATES WITH ELECTORAL COLLEGE"

I'd jump up and down to see this, but it ain't gonna happen.

Once again, for the record:
Mr. Trump -- if he wins -- will lose the popular vote for the second time.
If he wins, he'll win by the Electoral College, but possibly with FEWER EC votes than he received last time.

And finally:
If he wins, Mr. Trump will likely become the last Republican president elected in the lifetimes of most of the regular posters of this forum.

I can't see anyone who could fill his shoes or continue to challenge and thwart the burgeoning democrat-communist (soon to become the "communist-democrat") insurgency and underground revolution currently underway in this country.

Save this post.
Throw it back at me on November 4th.
I WANT to be proven 100% wrong!
But I call 'em as I see 'em.
And that's how I see what's comin' down the line...

I wish I didn't agree with you, but I do.  Only thing I see is IF Trump wins it will be a landslide victory -- I'm not counting on it.

You are absolutely correct, if elected he will be the last GOP President ever .... UNLESS the GOP retains the Senate and somehow manages to take the House and they make some serious changes.

Just isn't going to happen.  That ship sailed when Lyin' Ryan was Speaker and the Turtle still had his entire head in his shell; the GOP held a majority for years and FAILED the American people BIGLY!
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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2020, 12:29:48 am »
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