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Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based Resp
« on: October 14, 2020, 03:21:46 pm »
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Leaked audio of Governor Andrew Cuomo admitting that the new COVID lockdowns in New York are simply a “fear-based response.”

“People see the numbers going up … Close everything, close everything!”
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2020, 03:49:37 pm »
There is nothing wrong with this conversation between Cuomo and a commissioner and it is possible this was a meeting with several officials as Cuomo asked the commissioner if he had something to say.  This indicates a meeting, not a one on one phone conversation.

Certainly, the NY people are fearful of another covid outbreak - they lost so many people every day for a long time.  It would be strange if they were not fearful of it happening again.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2020, 04:06:06 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 14, 2020, 03:49:37 pm
There is nothing wrong with this conversation between Cuomo and a commissioner and it is possible this was a meeting with several officials as Cuomo asked the commissioner if he had something to say.  This indicates a meeting, not a one on one phone conversation.

Certainly, the NY people are fearful of another covid outbreak - they lost so many people every day for a long time.  It would be strange if they were not fearful of it happening again.
Does this mean we’re no longer to “follow the science”?
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2020, 04:14:24 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 14, 2020, 03:49:37 pm
There is nothing wrong with this conversation between Cuomo and a commissioner

There is everything wrong with a Governor trampling a Constitution (he took an oath to uphold and defend) with the entrails of dead Covid victims which he helped kill.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2020, 04:57:55 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 14, 2020, 03:49:37 pm
There is nothing wrong with this conversation between Cuomo and a commissioner and it is possible this was a meeting with several officials as Cuomo asked the commissioner if he had something to say.  This indicates a meeting, not a one on one phone conversation.

Certainly, the NY people are fearful of another covid outbreak - they lost so many people every day for a long time.  It would be strange if they were not fearful of it happening again.

Your defense of Cuomo is duly noted.   

Whatsamatter?   Did you get bored with defending Comey?   888mouth   :whistle:
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2020, 05:00:12 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on October 14, 2020, 04:14:24 pm
There is everything wrong with a Governor trampling a Constitution (he took an oath to uphold and defend) with the entrails of dead Covid victims which he helped kill.

Ironic that Cuomo mentions "fear".... since the elderly in New York should damned well feel fear....

at the fact that Cuomo still has power over them (over 6,000 dead thanks to Cuomo's ""decisions"").

https://nypost.com/2020/07/08/cuomo-sent-6300-covid-19-patients-to-nursing-homes-amid-pandemic/
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2020, 07:14:28 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 14, 2020, 03:49:37 pm
There is nothing wrong with this conversation between Cuomo and a commissioner and it is possible this was a meeting with several officials as Cuomo asked the commissioner if he had something to say.  This indicates a meeting, not a one on one phone conversation.

Sounds like a possible violation of NY's Open Meetings laws. Did he publish an Agenda for this little pow-wow?

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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2020, 07:51:15 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on October 14, 2020, 04:06:06 pm
Does this mean we’re no longer to “follow the science”?
No.  It means follow the science; if the science says more people are dying, that area where the deaths are occurring will shut down and if it is the whole city of New York, it goes on shutdown.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2020, 07:57:12 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 14, 2020, 07:51:15 pm
No.  It means follow the science; if the science says more people are dying, that area where the deaths are occurring will shut down and if it is the whole city of New York, it goes on shutdown.

The science says that the overwhelming majority of new SARS-2 cases are people wearing masks.  Should New York follow the science and order people not to wear masks?
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2020, 08:02:08 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on October 14, 2020, 07:57:12 pm
The science says that the overwhelming majority of new SARS-2 cases are people wearing masks.  Should New York follow the science and order people not to wear masks?

No, you're not reading between the lines.   When they say "follow the science"... they really mean do whatever will harm Trump's re-election chances the most.   They couldn't care LESS about causing more deaths (it's good for their cause and campaign against Trump)... and "the science" keeps changing daily.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2020, 08:05:30 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on October 14, 2020, 07:14:28 pm
Sounds like a possible violation of NY's Open Meetings laws. Did he publish an Agenda for this little pow-wow?

@Victoria33

If it was a meeting, then it was scheduled.  I watched almost every meeting he had throughout the NY shutdown.  People talk about nursing home deaths, but when this started, nursing home patients were in the hospital and when they got better, they were sent home to the nursing home they came from.  That was the only home they had.  This was before it was known how contagious it was even though the patients were better.

Once that was known, nursing home patients were kept in the hospital until they tested negative two times.

I do not care who is a Republican or Democrat Mayor or Governor when such an illness is here.  I will not dump on Cuomo just because he is a Democrat, or praise our Abbott, just because he is a Republican Governor.  Abbott screwed up, too, by opening Texas too early.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2020, 08:14:23 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 14, 2020, 08:05:30 pm
If it was a meeting, then it was scheduled.  I watched almost every meeting he had throughout the NY shutdown.  People talk about nursing home deaths, but when this started, nursing home patients were in the hospital and when they got better, they were sent home to the nursing home they came from.  That was the only home they had.  This was before it was known how contagious it was even though the patients were better.

Once that was known, nursing home patients were kept in the hospital until they tested negative two times.

I do not care who is a Republican or Democrat Mayor or Governor when such an illness is here.  I will not dump on Cuomo just because he is a Democrat, or praise our Abbott, just because he is a Republican Governor. Abbott screwed up, too, by opening Texas too early.

That's funny/odd.... since... you never seem to have a problem dumping on Trump.   Curious.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2020, 08:28:35 pm »
Lest anyone has "forgotten".... the actual order that Cuomo signed off on... that resulted in the deaths of thousands of elderly in nursing homes.  Note, specifically, the underlined part.



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Andrew Cuomo Blames President Trump for His Order Killing 15,000 Nursing Home Residents

https://www.lifenews.com/2020/10/14/andrew-cuomo-blames-president-trump-for-his-order-killing-15000-nursing-home-residents/
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2020, 08:30:55 pm »
Quote from: XenaLee on October 14, 2020, 08:14:23 pm
That's funny/odd.... since... you never seem to have a problem dumping on Trump.   Curious.

Isn't it?   I find it odd that she aligns herself and defends the Mayors and Governors who took more peoples rights away than some 3rd world shithole dictators.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2020, 08:35:42 pm »
Quote from: Wingnut on October 14, 2020, 08:30:55 pm
Isn't it?   I find it odd that she aligns herself and defends the Mayors and Governors who took more peoples rights away than some 3rd world shithole dictators.

I'm still stunned and amazed that she thinks Comey is a "honest man".   And now a defense of Cuomo.

Ahmazing.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2020, 09:31:19 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 14, 2020, 08:05:30 pm
If it was a meeting, then it was scheduled.  I watched almost every meeting he had throughout the NY shutdown.  People talk about nursing home deaths, but when this started, nursing home patients were in the hospital and when they got better, they were sent home to the nursing home they came from.  That was the only home they had.  This was before it was known how contagious it was even though the patients were better.

Once that was known, nursing home patients were kept in the hospital until they tested negative two times.

I do not care who is a Republican or Democrat Mayor or Governor when such an illness is here.  I will not dump on Cuomo just because he is a Democrat, or praise our Abbott, just because he is a Republican Governor.  Abbott screwed up, too, by opening Texas too early.

Have you ever met a Democrat you didn't like?  As for my question, you seem to be assuming the meeting was on the up and up, and I refuse to make that assumption.  I want to see that agenda, to see if they violated the law.  Assuming honorable behavior by Democrats is a fool's errand.  It's a shame you don't cut that slack to Trump.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #17 on: October 15, 2020, 12:36:11 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 14, 2020, 03:49:37 pm
There is nothing wrong with this conversation between Cuomo and a commissioner and it is possible this was a meeting with several officials as Cuomo asked the commissioner if he had something to say.  This indicates a meeting, not a one on one phone conversation.

Certainly, the NY people are fearful of another covid outbreak - they lost so many people every day for a long time.  It would be strange if they were not fearful of it happening again.
there is a lot wrong with it. Mainly that Fredo's brother forced Covid + patients into nursing homes resulting in over 6,000 deaths that might not have happened. add to that in 2016 HE is responsible for auctioning off and replacing the Ventilators that were part of the emergency reserve, set after 9/11  by Bush in case of a pandemic. Vents cost about $300 per year to maintain. He is also for not replenishing the stockpile of n95 masks etc... after the swine flu epidemic. Instead he pissed the money away on another failed Solar project. So yeah there is alot wrong and he needs to answer for his crimes.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2020, 01:39:42 pm »
Quote from: verga on October 15, 2020, 12:36:11 pm
there is a lot wrong with it. Mainly that Fredo's brother forced Covid + patients into nursing homes resulting in over 6,000 deaths that might not have happened. add to that in 2016 HE is responsible for auctioning off and replacing the Ventilators that were part of the emergency reserve, set after 9/11  by Bush in case of a pandemic. Vents cost about $300 per year to maintain. He is also for not replenishing the stockpile of n95 masks etc... after the swine flu epidemic. Instead he pissed the money away on another failed Solar project. So yeah there is alot wrong and he needs to answer for his crimes.

I think you've mixed together Cuomo-Failings and dBlah-Blah Failings, but details, details, details.

Cuomo completely failed to act on the recommendation of the State of NY's health task force that the state accumulate up to 15,000 ventilators:

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/national-international/new-york-modeled-a-pandemic-and-found-a-15000-ventilator-shortfall-2/2331057/

https://www.health.ny.gov/regulations/task_force/reports_publications/docs/ventilator_guidelines.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1B70DidltlJL70fKc-qzOgSI6V0rfvq4yOo0KnhHMXCYjhTdf7cnxMKZg

Under de Blah-Blah, the several hundred ventilators bought under Mayor Bloomberg were auctioned off:

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/491651-new-york-city-auctioned-off-extra-ventilators-due-to-cost-of-maintenance

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-new-york-city-emergency-ventilator-stockpile-ended-up-on-the-auction-block

That is part of the context in which Cuomo's demand for 30K ventilators should be understood.

https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-in-ny-cuomo-defends-need-for-30k-ventilators-after-trump-called-it-overblown/

In the event, the Feds helped the State of NY locate ventilators around the state that the state didn't fully know were already there, and as actual need arose gave the State of NY and additional 4,400 ventilators (IIRC). 4,400, not 30,000.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/04/coronavirus-response-ventilators-trump-administration-handled-potential-shortage-deftly/
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2020, 02:50:15 pm »
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Maybe Cuomo and De Blah Blah can share a cell at Rikers?
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2020, 03:09:06 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on October 14, 2020, 09:31:19 pm
Have you ever met a Democrat you didn't like?  As for my question, you seem to be assuming the meeting was on the up and up, and I refuse to make that assumption.  I want to see that agenda, to see if they violated the law.  Assuming honorable behavior by Democrats is a fool's errand.  It's a shame you don't cut that slack to Trump.
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I research for the truth - I don't care who is a Democrat or Republican.  You know very well I have researched Trumpery's behavior since he was a small child and seen Trumpery's behavior during his campaigns and while in office.  I believe he has certain personality disorders and should not be president.  If he was a Democrat, I would say the same thing.  I don't swear allegiance to Republicans no matter what they do.  I don't swear allegiance to Democrats no matter what they do.

You know I worked for the State Republican Party for many years, for no pay.  I am a Republican but will not promote a man (Trumpery) I consider mentally unfit for the presidency.
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2020, 03:16:49 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 15, 2020, 03:09:06 pm
I research for the truth - I don't care who is a Democrat or Republican.  You know very well I have researched Trump's behavior since he was a small child and seen Trump's behavior during his campaigns and while in office.  I believe he has certain personality disorders and should not be president.

Not having even met the President @Victoria33 you have neither the clinical nor moral authority to diagnosis the President.

Doesn't anyone in your profession have even a drop of integrity?
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2020, 03:19:17 pm »
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I research for the truth - I don't care who is a Democrat or Republican.  You know very well I have researched Trump's behavior since he was a small child and seen Trump's behavior during his campaigns and while in office.  I believe he has certain personality disorders and should not be president.  If he was a Democrat, I would say the same thing.  I don't swear allegiance to Republicans no matter what they do.  I don't swear allegiance to Democrats no matter what they do.

You know I worked for the State Republican Party for many years, for no pay.  I am a Republican but will not promote a man I consider mentally unfit for the presidency.

I know you believe every word of books like the one Comey wrote, even after it's discovered every word was a lie, including the words "and" and "the."  You've mentioned reading many books about Donald Trump, so how many of them were of the caliber of Comey's?  How many defended Trump?

(I, too, work many hours for the Republican Party, and yes, for no pay.)
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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #23 on: October 15, 2020, 03:24:16 pm »
Quote from: Victoria33 on October 15, 2020, 03:09:06 pm
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I research for the truth - I don't care who is a Democrat or Republican.  You know very well I have researched Trumpery's behavior since he was a small child and seen Trumpery's behavior during his campaigns and while in office.  I believe he has certain personality disorders and should not be president.  If he was a Democrat, I would say the same thing.  I don't swear allegiance to Republicans no matter what they do.  I don't swear allegiance to Democrats no matter what they do.

You know I worked for the State Republican Party for many years, for no pay.  I am a Republican but will not promote a man (Trumpery) I consider mentally unfit for the presidency.

What you're calling "personality disorders"..... are probably the very characteristics that have enabled Trump to stand up to and withstand the ongoing/constant four year assault on him (and his family, and his staff, etc.) by the radical leftist Democrats.   I have to question, therefore, your so-called "professional ability" to diagnose anybody.   

Again, funny that you seem to think Comey is honest and upstanding... when he is a known liar and political hack.   And then you defend Cuomo... yet another liar and political hack.  Both DemocRats, of course.   Then you try to claim you're apolitical re: your criticism?  Lol!   Sorry, but... your perspective is skewed as hell.

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Re: Leaked Audio of Gov. Cuomo Admitting That the New COVID Lockdowns in New York Are a ‘Fear-Based
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2020, 03:26:38 pm »
Quote from: Right_in_Virginia on October 15, 2020, 03:16:49 pm
Not having even met the President @Victoria33 you have neither the clinical nor moral authority to diagnosis the President.

Doesn't anyone in your profession have even a drop of integrity?

Meh. Seems it is not such a problem when it is Biden, or any number of Democrats whose character is divined on this board all the time. Goose/gander and all.

And while I am not as adamant as @Victoria33 's diagnosis, I can certainly see where she is coming from.
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