Trump didn't pay income tax for 10 of 15 years before 2016 election: NYT

[RedHead]

Seriously, though, this could, and probably will, backfire as a pathetic attempt at an October surprise.

Based on the timing, and considering how touchy a subject this is with Trump, I suspect the real intent is to try and knock Trump off his game going into tomorrow's debates.

[Hoodat]

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Er........I was referring to plain people, not the site Nobel Laureates in Economics who
relentlessly pontificate w/their "wisdom."

Even a fifth grader can understand the difference between annual income and accumulated wealth.  It is a distinction that liberals (and now you) wantonly ignore with their false 'tax the rich' rhetoric.

Here are the basics.  'Income tax' is a tax on income.  That's why it is called 'income tax.  If a person has little or no income, that person owes no tax.  This is true regardless of how much accumulated wealth (or debt) a person may have had.  So enough with the tired old DNC class envy lies.

[mountaineer]

If you feel like wading through the Twitter cesspool, there's this:

...  Ryan Ellis, tax expert and president of the Center for a Free Economy, gave his take on the story in a Twitter thread, arguing it's "nothing more than the 'Orange Man Bad' version of 'gotcha' pieces liberal journalists routinely run about how big companies don’t pay taxes."   ...

The article at Townhall goes on to show some of the tweets, for example:

Ryan Ellis  @RyanLEllis
The tax code is full of these legal, legitimate tax planning opportunities. In order to use them, you usually have to risk significant capital, be willing to endure years of losses, and generally be in the business of business. 9/

Link to Ellis' twitter: https://twitter.com/RyanLEllis

[mountaineer]

Reading the comments at various news outlets' Facebook and twitter feeds is hysterical. Somehow, people who live paycheck-to-paycheck - and never earned enough to worry about things like itemizing deductions - instantaneously became tax law experts, well versed in "loopholes," and they're convinced this is it!! This is what sends Trump to prison! 

[dfwgator]

Why Democrats win:  They understand how stupid the average American really is.

[skeeter]

Why Democrats win:  They understand how stupid the average American really is.

They ought to. They own the news media and public education. Instilling ignorance is what they're all about.

[aligncare]

Seriously, though, this could, and probably will, backfire as a pathetic attempt at an October surprise.

The same October surprise the Times tried in October, 2016; and it will fail a second time.

What Trump’s tax firm did isn’t sinister, it’s the tax code. If anyone’s got a complaint, take it up with the congress that wrote the tax laws.

[aligncare]

Based on the timing, and considering how touchy a subject this is with Trump, I suspect the real intent is to try and knock Trump off his game going into tomorrow's debates.

Trump is an unconventional campaigner. The first thing Trump did in response to the Times story is flood the zone. We’ll see if his first instinct works to defuse the impact of yet another attempt at smearing him.

[mountaineer]

Wait, this actually is from the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

Oh, never mind.

[dfwgator]

Wait, this actually is from the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

Oh, never mind.

The damage is done.  The average idiot now believes Trump is a tax cheat.

[RedHead]

Trump is an unconventional campaigner. The first thing Trump did in response to the Times story is flood the zone. We’ll see if his first instinct works to defuse the impact of yet another attempt at smearing him.

"Defusing" the impact by claiming it's all fake and that he'd prove it was fake if not for those darned audits lost it's believability years ago.  There's nothing to defuse because those who oppose Trump will believe the Times and those who support Trump won't.  This isn't meant to change votes.  It was meant to troll Trump by touching a nerve and hoping he'll be distracted going into the debates.

[dfwgator]

"Defusing" the impact by claiming it's all fake and that he'd prove it was fake if not for those darned audits lost it's believability years ago.  There's nothing to defuse because those who oppose Trump will believe the Times and those who support Trump won't.  This isn't meant to change votes.  It was meant to troll Trump by touching a nerve and hoping he'll be distracted going into the debates.

Agreed. 

I've been saying there is one thing Trump needs to accomplish Tuesday night, and one thing only, by any means necessary.  Make it clear, that if elected,  Joe will not be the one in charge,  it will be the Radicals,  you might as well be voting for Bernie or AOC.

[Hoodat]

Wait, this actually is from the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/09/27/us/donald-trump-taxes.html

Oh, never mind.

So basically, what they are saying is that Trump OVERPAID his taxes.

[Hoodat]

Why Democrats win:  They understand how stupid the average American really is.

That backfired on them in 2000 when tens of thousands of Dem voters were too stupid to figure out a ballot that Democrats designed and voted for Patrick Buchanan by mistake.

[mystery-ak]

Agreed. 

I've been saying there is one thing Trump needs to accomplish Tuesday night, and one thing only, by any means necessary.  Make it clear, that if elected,  Joe will not be the one in charge,  it will be the Radicals,  you might as well be voting for Bernie or AOC.

Exactly...and please don't make fun of Biden..let the viewers see for themselves.
I so think Trump should bring up Hunter and the whole family involved in corruption.

[dfwgator]

Exactly...and please don't make fun of Biden..let the viewers see for themselves.
I so think Trump should bring up Hunter and the whole family involved in corruption.

The mantra that Trump must focus on is "Joe is Weak".   Your typical undecided, mushy voter, generally votes for the person they believe is the stronger leader.  That's who Trump must get to tomorrow.   Everything else is just noise.

[catfish1957]

The mantra that Trump must focus on is "Joe is Weak".   Your typical undecided, mushy voter, generally votes for the person they believe is the stronger leader.  That's who Trump must get to tomorrow.   Everything else is just noise.

My winning strategy?

1.  Tone down attacks that might come off as "personal"
2.  Tie Biden to the ultra-left.  Use dim plank as talking points....  even verbatim
3.  Exploit Biden't late to the game condemnation of rioting
4.  Use time to carefully tie the Biden's to the Ukraine scandal in such a manner, it basically convicts them
5.  Drive home the point that the dims have exploited the pandemic for political gain, and tie them complictly to the Chicoms
6.  Pre-Pandemic ecomonic boom has been his legacy, and ask the voters to not let the dims return to the stagnation and decline of the previous Obama/ Biden terms.

[dfwgator]

My winning strategy?

1.  Tone down attacks that might come off as "personal"
2.  Tie Biden to the ultra-left.  Use dim plank as talking points....  even verbatim
3.  Exploit Biden't late to the game condemnation of rioting
4.  Use time to carefully tie the Biden's to the Ukraine scandal in such a manner, it basically convicts them
5.  Drive home the point that the dims have exploited the pandemic for political gain, and tie them complictly to the Chicoms
6.  Pre-Pandemic ecomonic boom has been his legacy, and ask the voters to not let the dims return to the stagnation and decline of the previous Obama/ Biden terms.

Yep, pretty much ties in to what needs to happen.  Paint Trump as the leader who makes the hard decisions,  while Joe will defer to others, who are more radical.

[RedHead]

My winning strategy?

1.  Tone down attacks that might come off as "personal"

LOL!  Not going to happen.

2.  Tie Biden to the ultra-left.  Use dim plank as talking points....  even verbatim
3.  Exploit Biden't late to the game condemnation of rioting

Best strategy.

4.  Use time to carefully tie the Biden's to the Ukraine scandal in such a manner, it basically convicts them

Hard to do because in the first place I'm not sure Trump can explain it in brief terms and in the second place I can't imagine a scenario where this subject comes up in a question from the moderator.  Trump would have to ignore the question and substitute this.  A risky tactic.

5.  Drive home the point that the dims have exploited the pandemic for political gain, and tie them complictly to the Chicoms

And have them respond on how Trump lied about the seriousness of the pandemic from the beginning?  Playing into their hand.  Better to avoid talking about Covid as much as possible.

6.  Pre-Pandemic ecomonic boom has been his legacy, and ask the voters to not let the dims return to the stagnation and decline of the previous Obama/ Biden terms.

His best shot but not sure he can pull it off without a lot of contradictions and Democrat talking points from Biden. 

[Victoria33]

Wow, that $750 number certainly will be an election changer, won't it???
Just consider the hordes of plain people who are going to say to themselves;
"Poor Trumpy, I had no idea he was that broke, as $750 is 2 bucks a day!!!!!
Lord Have Mercy, how does the poor thing keep fresh water in his commode?"

@Absalom

Dear Absalom,
I am a "plain people".  I paid more in taxes than Trump those two years reported when he was president.  Does that mean I helped pay the $70,000 for fixing his hair before he goes before the public?  Yes, I have said before he is an emperor without clothes.  When he is no longer president, the people will see what he really is - almost bald and owing millions upon millions of dollars, including for Trump Tower, he must pay

When he was with his first wife, she had some plastic surgery.  He used the same doc to cut his scalp, cut out the scalp skin without hair and stitch the two sides together that had hair.  When he was home, he was in pain.  He blamed his wife for his pain, because he used her doctor.  He grabbed her hair and pulled it out, said he wanted her to feel as much pain as he did.  She ran upstairs to a bedroom, and locked the door.  When she went downstairs the next morning, her pulled out hair was still on the bed.

I have nine books about Trump, some of those include his business transactions that led to his numerous bankruptcies.  While his father was still alive, he gave Trump money every time he got in big money trouble; the father did that to keep the family company reputation as a company that made money, did not lose money.

[Hoodat]

@Absalom

Dear Absalom,
I am a "plain people".  I paid more in taxes than Trump those two years reported when he was president.

That would be because your adjusted gross income was higher than Trump's during those two years.

[Absalom]

LOL!
Truth is, he could shoot you dead in the middle of 5th Avenue in NYC and I would STILL vote for him.   

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Apparently you would; the consequence of infatuation morphing into obsession.
Regardless, the question that matters is how the Fan Club is going to deal
w/the reality of Nov 4, as it rapidly approaches!!!

[HuskyPatriot]

This NYT "revelation" is not news really.  Mr. Trump's business dealings have been mentioned in the financial trade papers for years; discussing debts, failed deals, etc.  Anyone with vast business holdings can have issues with debts incurred and tax loopholes taken.  What bothers some is the fact that he presents himself as "Super CEO" as he tends to use hyperbole to inflate his persona. (He mentions the use of hyperbole as a business technique in one of his books.) But if you know him as such and are comfortable with him, then you vote for the guy no matter what the media says or the disparagement of others.  The timing IS perfect for the left though, before the first debate (as someone here already said).  The President can naturally get very defensive about any character assassinations and he'll have to control his temper, or use it in an intelligent way.

[dfwgator]

This NYT "revelation" is not news really.  Mr. Trump's business dealings have been mentioned in the financial trade papers for years; discussing debts, failed deals, etc.  Anyone with vast business holdings can have issues with debts incurred and tax loopholes taken.  What bothers some is the fact that he presents himself as "Super CEO" as he tends to use hyperbole to inflate his persona. (He mentions the use of hyperbole as a business technique in one of his books.) But if you know him as such and are comfortable with him, then you vote for the guy no matter what the media says or the disparagement of others.  The timing IS perfect for the left though, before the first debate (as someone here already said).  The President can naturally get very defensive about any character assassinations and he'll have to control his temper, or use it in an intelligent way.

To sum it up, "Trump may be an a-hole, but at least he isn't weak, like Sleepy Joe."

[mystery-ak]

Nolte: New York Times Counts on Public Ignorance to Push Trump Tax Nothingburger

John Nolte 28 Sep 2020

The far-left New York Times claims it obtained copies of President Trump’s tax returns and is counting on ignorance to turn its nothingburger into some kind of scandal.

The only real news in the returns is how they debunk three media conspiracy theories. Although the Times hides the news as though it doesn’t matter, and despite years and years of the media floating the idea, we now know there’s nothing about Russia in Trump’s tax returns. No secret loans. No oligarch connections. No nothing.

Secondly, there’s no record of a secret payoff to Trump’s former attorney Michael Cohen that would suggest an illicit payment was made to porn star Stormy Daniels to cover up what she says was a one-night stand a dozen years ago. It’s not illegal to pay someone hush money. So this non-scandal has always baffled me. If anything, it’s illegal to blackmail someone for money, which is kinda what the porn star did, no?

Finally, Trump is in fact under audit, which means he’s been telling the truth for five years about that, about why he does not want to release his tax returns.

So, even though the tax returns basically debunk three hoaxes the fake media have been floating for years, the Times still pretends it has something other than a nothingburger with the amount of money Trump has paid in taxes over the years.,

You’ve seen the headlines (I don’t link fake news)…

NBC News: “Trump tax records show duplicity. That’s devastating for his campaign.”

Reuters: “Trump frequently paid no income tax.”

more
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/09/28/nolte-new-york-times-counts-on-public-ignorance-to-push-trump-tax-nothingburger/