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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #25 on: September 25, 2020, 12:13:08 pm »
Most estimates I've seen place the lower limit on heard immunity at 27%.  But regardless, let's take Paul's 22% figure.  That means we approach heard immunity when 73 million people have been diagnosed with Covid.  That's a little over 10 times the number so far.  At the current fatality rate of about 2.9% that means 2.1 million fatalities.  Rand and you are good with that?
There will be people who have had COVID and are immune as a result who will never be diagnosed. Herd immunity will be achieved, whether the statistics are collected or not. Consider the most likely to be diagnosed are the symptomatic, the asymptomatic may never be tested. If you are symptomatic, the probability of becoming a critical patient is higher, if you have the numerous underlying medical conditions that contribute to mortality, the likelihood of death is much higher.
SO from the git go, the numbers are already skewed toward the most severe cases.
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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #26 on: September 25, 2020, 02:21:27 pm »
Do you have a link to support this or are you pulling number out your ......
If we achieve herd immunity when 22% of the population has covid then that's almost 73 million diagnosed cases.  The current fatality rate is 2.9%.  Surely you can do the math as easily as I did.

OK, so you don't have anything to support your assertions, it's rectal extrapolation.  Good to know, that must have been a tough admission for you to make.
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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #27 on: September 25, 2020, 02:57:30 pm »
Seven million diagnosed cases, 203,000 deaths.  Do the math.

If they didn't get tested then how do you know they had Covid?

So instead of making up numbers we're forced to go with what we know.  And that's 7 million diagnosed cases and 203,000 deaths.  A 2.9% fatality rate.

LOL...

Go with "what you know".

The whole point is you don't know squat. The "numbers" are wildly inaccurate for many reasons. There was no official rule even defining what a Covid caused death was so they could be counted with any actual meaning. Large numbers were counted only because they tested "positive" and died. So people in car wrecks were counted... Not very meaningful. In addition the test isn't super accurate. Who knows how many false positives and negatives there were. The dead didn't likely get a second follow up test.

And the simple fact is, if many more people hadn't gotten it and developed immunity to it than what has been reported it would still be spreading like wildfire and it isn't. Infection rates are declining because many have become immune. The herd immunity is happening right before your eyes and is the only realistic explanation for the decline of cases while things are opening up.

But you go with "what you know"...

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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #28 on: September 25, 2020, 03:07:36 pm »
If we achieve herd immunity when 22% of the population has covid then that's almost 73 million diagnosed cases.  The current fatality rate is 2.9%.  Surely you can do the math as easily as I did.

Sorry, but.....

your math is off (it actually sucks)....

and you are sublimely uninformed.

Ahem....

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities



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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #29 on: September 25, 2020, 03:31:35 pm »
The CDC estimates the fatality rate is around 0.26%.  I don't think we have good data, because everything is political.  The only test case we have is Sweden, where the pandemic was allowed to run its course, and the covid apocalypse never took place.
CDC figures put it at around 2.9%

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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2020, 03:35:11 pm »
LOL...

Go with "what you know".

The whole point is you don't know squat. The "numbers" are wildly inaccurate for many reasons.  There was no official rule even defining what a Covid caused death was so they could be counted with any actual meaning. Large numbers were counted only because they tested "positive" and died. So people in car wrecks were counted... Not very meaningful. In addition the test isn't super accurate. Who knows how many false positives and negatives there were. The dead didn't likely get a second follow up test.

And the simple fact is, if many more people hadn't gotten it and developed immunity to it than what has been reported it would still be spreading like wildfire and it isn't. Infection rates are declining because many have become immune. The herd immunity is happening right before your eyes and is the only realistic explanation for the decline of cases while things are opening up.

But you go with "what you know"...

You put your finger on it there.  The fact is, because of the CDC's bungling we have no idea what any of the statistical populations are, rendering it all guess work.  The old GIGO acronym applies, and the Dem accomplices in the press can play games with the politics.
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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2020, 03:36:08 pm »
CDC figures put it at around 2.9%

An admission on your part the statistics are FUBAR.  You really should quit while you are not so far behind.
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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2020, 12:43:52 am »
Here in Connecticut, we've had 56,587 cases and 4,501 deaths.

Do the math...

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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2020, 01:55:32 am »
About 97% do.  But it's kind of hard on the 2.1 million who will die achieving Paul's herd immunity level.
You would assume that 100% of the people would end up getting infected—and reality is that virtually no individual virus strain ever achieves that kind of infection rate.

Plus, we don't really have an accurate picture of how many people were infected in New York City because the antibody tests we use diminish rapidly in accuracy after a few months beyond the infection and we had virtually no PCR testing when the infection was spreading at its fastest. We do know it was circulating at least several weeks before any cases were confirmed and, at minimum, millions of New Yorkers had caught the virus without being officially counted.

You look at places that had their main surges later, when more widespread testing was in place, and you see deaths per confirmed case much closer to 1-2%, with of course the caveat that the risk varies widely by age and other co-morbidities.
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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2020, 01:56:10 am »
Here in Connecticut, we've had 56,587 cases and 4,501 deaths.

Do the math...
Hate to break it to you, but if you're in Connecticut, you had a hell of a lot more than 56,587 cases.
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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2020, 03:21:09 am »
j myrle wrote:
"Hate to break it to you, but if you're in Connecticut, you had a hell of a lot more than 56,587 cases."

I go by the publicly-available numbers:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The virus hit this state early, and harder -- hence a higher death rate for the total number of infections.
Death rate recently has been MUCH lower.

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Re: Fauci scolds Rand Paul during tense exchange at hearing
« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2020, 09:57:50 am »
I'll leave the statistics to everyone else.  Fauci is is Deep Swamp, I'd believe Rand Paul before Fauci anytime.