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https://www.theguardian.com/news/2020/sep/17/battle-over-dyslexia-warwickshire-staffordshire

by Sirin Kale
September 17, 2020

Hunkered in his study, piles of academic papers at his feet, Elliott asked himself: if you couldn’t test dyslexia by means of IQ, how could you test for it? If Yule hadn’t been able to find a uniform diagnostic criteria – a pattern that fit all the dyslexic children he’d studied – was it even a condition at all? And what was the point in testing for something if, as his supervisor had acknowledged over lunch all those years ago, the treatment was the same, regardless of whether you had it or not? “That’s when the penny dropped,” Elliott says. “It was all bollocks.”

Since that day, Elliott, a professor of education at Durham University, has made it his mission to challenge the orthodoxy on dyslexia. He argues that there is essentially no difference between a person who struggles to read and write and a person with dyslexia – and no difference in how you should teach them. Dyslexia is such a broad term, he argues, that it is effectively meaningless. According to Elliott, we should stop using the word dyslexia, and with it the need for an educational psychologist to diagnose what is plain for all to see: that a child is struggling to read and write. Instead, we should be trying to help all children with literacy difficulties, not just those who have been diagnosed with dyslexia.

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I have always thought dyslexia is a matter of how one learns to read numbers and letters.

I see words as sets of syllables and numbers as sets of three or four... even big numbers.

When my daughter was diagnosed with dyslexia (like her mother) I started working with her in her head instead of on the page... I taught her to add numbers bass akwards to how she was taught - Adding the 'hundreds' and 'tens' and singles separately, and then adding them together respectively. Then teaching her to see words in much the same way... It cured her of it. Seeing it differently in her head caused her to see them differently on the page.

It is much harder to confuse 350 and 7 than it is 3, 5, and 7.

Oddly enough, the same didn't work for her mother, perhaps too set and structured than she was able to nimbly change... But I do think it can be fixed.

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Bunch of hogwash for most kids diagnosed with this. Interesting article, thanks for sharing @jmyrlefuller
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I have always thought dyslexia is a matter of how one learns to read numbers and letters.

I see words as sets of syllables and numbers as sets of three or four... even big numbers.

When my daughter was diagnosed with dyslexia (like her mother) I started working with her in her head instead of on the page... I taught her to add numbers bass akwards to how she was taught - Adding the 'hundreds' and 'tens' and singles separately, and then adding them together respectively. Then teaching her to see words in much the same way... It cured her of it. Seeing it differently in her head caused her to see them differently on the page.

It is much harder to confuse 350 and 7 than it is 3, 5, and 7.

Oddly enough, the same didn't work for her mother, perhaps too set and structured than she was able to nimbly change... But I do think it can be fixed.
Seems like it is much the same as I do when typing, a transposition error. Pretty common for me some days, and often opposite hands get ahead of each other and seem to tangle the letters up, some days more than others. Not doing so is a matter of discipline and perseverance.I find, too, when I am extremely tired, writing (not typing) bpdg get occasionally substituted for each other (essentially the same design, rotated and opposite hand), and I have to guard against transposing numbers more than substituting them.  Start getting into some hardcore sleep deprivation (and I have been there) and numbers have to be triple checked.
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Seems like it is much the same as I do when typing, a transposition error. Pretty common for me some days, and often opposite hands get ahead of each other and seem to tangle the letters up, some days more than others. Not doing so is a matter of discipline and perseverance.I find, too, when I am extremely tired, writing (not typing) bpdg get occasionally substituted for each other (essentially the same design, rotated and opposite hand), and I have to guard against transposing numbers more than substituting them.  Start getting into some hardcore sleep deprivation (and I have been there) and numbers have to be triple checked.

I have been there too - But it is not my head messin it up - It's my fingers. I am seeing it right in my head. Dyslexia supposes the transposition is IN the noggin.

When my daughter was declared (not diagnosed, now... Declared by teacher and counselor, with doctors following that lead), she was pulling very hard grades in math - almost failing. Within a quarter, she was pulling high A's... Had I followed the leaders in that, she'd have never found a cure. And she'd certainly not have her degree in mathematics and English, going on to be offered early graduation, and math scholarships... What a beautiful mind. The things she can construct in her head... the way she can decompile and analyze... All of that would never have happened.

They were already heading toward 'ADHD'... I KNOW the path they were taking her down.

And it was bullsh*t. Purely bullsh*t.

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They were already heading toward 'ADHD'... I KNOW the path they were taking her down.

And it was bullsh*t. Purely bullsh*t.
Oh, they tried the same thing with me. Turns out I was closer to Asperger's than attention-deficit. (I'm also convinced part of my problem is that I was surrounded by a toxic social environment. I improved rapidly simply by being moved to home instruction for a few months.)

I really don't get the whole craze with ADHD diagnosis. Is it a cop-out? A way to push pills? Regardless, it's educational and medical misconduct.
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Oh, they tried the same thing with me. Turns out I was closer to Asperger's than attention-deficit. (I'm also convinced part of my problem is that I was surrounded by a toxic social environment. I improved rapidly simply by being moved to home instruction for a few months.)

I really don't get the whole craze with ADHD diagnosis. Is it a cop-out? A way to push pills? Regardless, it's educational and medical misconduct.
Medicate children into submission.

Teaching really bright children is a challenge, especially because the questions they ask can skip from topic to topic along reasoning pathways that elude an less capable adult. (Yes, some children are that bright, challenge BS and things which make no sense, and insist on solid answers.) As children get brighter, and teachers less so, or simply lazy, anything which keeps the classroom quiet is a boon. Unfortunately, the standard approach has ever been geared to the belly in the bell curve and not the points. Since 'no child left behind', that may have shifted, but not tot the benefit of the most capable students.
 
Some teachers are very capable and went into teaching out of the earnest desire to teach.

Others I observed while in College were somewhat directionally muddled, often in pursuit of an 'Mrs. Degree', and decided to major in education because they just didn't know what else to go into. With an apparent increase in Socialist indoctrination and the de-emphasis on critical thinking, bright children are seen as 'disruptive' (and can be in an environment where they are easily bored stiff).
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Oh, they tried the same thing with me. Turns out I was closer to Asperger's than attention-deficit. (I'm also convinced part of my problem is that I was surrounded by a toxic social environment. I improved rapidly simply by being moved to home instruction for a few months.)

I really don't get the whole craze with ADHD diagnosis. Is it a cop-out? A way to push pills? Regardless, it's educational and medical misconduct.

It IS a toxic social environment. Too structured. Too tight. Too feminine. I don't know how young kids (especially boys) fend it off... I can see it, because I always could get away... Acres and acres of woods and farm right out the back door. A place where everything is real and right. It guards one's sensibilities against those who want to tell you different.

A good friend of mine was diagnosed as impossible. Dropped out of school he got so bad. Till he got a horse between his legs, a rope in his hand, and God's own country to ride. Turned him all the way around. Learned him how to read with the ranch kids getting home schooled. Turns out he wasn't dyslexic, and wasn't ADHD. All his troubles went away. Straight A's.

It's just too tight for a man. Too damn many people sitting one on top the other. Seen it with rats. Seen it with penned cattle and horses. Not any peace. Not any room. No wonder folks ain't thinking right.

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Interesting that articles abound about President Trump being a dyslexic, simply because he doesn't like to read!!!!  There's even a page (sorry to spoil anyone's breakfast)! http://trumphasdyslexia.com/

And of course they use this to make him out to be some stumbling, bumbling, unintelligent human.  Nice!!!!