Majority of Biden voters support him because 'he's not Trump': Poll

[HuskyPatriot]

Mind you I did comment that he "strikes many as...." meaning he gives that impression to many viewers that may not be used to that forceful, a bit bombastic way of speaking.  It's all very subjective whatever media you tend to watch.  Voting can be a very "knee jerk" reaction. So many voters will simply see his podium speak and NOT his achievements.   I don't think that Trump cares much about the the reactions he can provoke.  That may be an asset.  It's the same deal with Biden.  Voters see him all mushy and emotional, and may vote for him because of that, without seeing the real policies he endorses. Educated voters are needed!!!

[catfish1957]

Mind you I did comment that he "strikes many as...." meaning he gives that impression to many viewers that may not be used to that forceful, a bit bombastic way of speaking.  It's all very subjective whatever media you tend to watch.  Voting can be a very "knee jerk" reaction. So many voters will simply see his podium speak and NOT his achievements.   I don't think that Trump cares much about the the reactions he can provoke.  That may be an asset.  It's the same deal with Biden.  Voters see him all mushy and emotional, and may vote for him because of that, without seeing the real policies he endorses. Educated voters are needed!!!

My opinion has morphed the past 4 years, in that first I was pretty strongly NT based on his treatment of Cruz, and his consistently bombastic and unnecessarily rude  behavior in Tweetersville.   Then as time has passed (outside fiscal policy), he has functioned pretty well as a conservative.  I also realized that this behavior has functioned as a diversion to keep his enemies so angry, they can't see straight.  No I do not still like him as a person, but that is not what he does for us.  Biden, OTOH, and his socialist lackeys will destroy us.

Choice is pretty easy this time around.  Count me as a Plus 1 vote vs. 2016 (conservative 3rd party) for Trump.

[roamer_1]

My opinion has morphed the past 4 years, in that first I was pretty strongly NT based on his treatment of Cruz, and his consistently bombastic and unnecessarily rude  behavior in Tweetersville.   Then as time has passed (outside fiscal policy), he has functioned pretty well as a conservative.  I also realized that this behavior has functioned as a diversion to keep his enemies so angry, they can't see straight.  No I do not still like him as a person, but that is not what he does for us.  Biden, OTOH, and his socialist lackeys will destroy us.

Choice is pretty easy this time around.  Count me as a Plus 1 vote vs. 2016 (conservative 3rd party) for Trump.

I see literally almost *nothing* conservative done that will last beyond the end of his term. Nothing.
Meanwhile, look at what this Republican Senate and Administration have signed into law.

It should curl your hair.
I think all y'all are being played. By a third-rate con walking y'all right down the garden path.

Needless to say, as I have opined, I will be voting 3rd party.  I require a much higher standard of performance.

[mountaineer]

Needless to say, as I have opined, I will be voting 3rd party.  I require a much higher standard of performance.

Your self-righteousness is noted. Good luck.

[roamer_1]

Your self-righteousness is noted. Good luck.

What bullcrap. Self-righteousness doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

[mountaineer]

Okay.

[Cyber Liberty]

What bullcrap. Self-righteousness doesn't have a damn thing to do with it.

Well, the word "self" may be incongruous....

[catfish1957]

I see literally almost *nothing* conservative done that will last beyond the end of his term. Nothing.
Meanwhile, look at what this Republican Senate and Administration have signed into law.

It should curl your hair.
I think all y'all are being played. By a third-rate con walking y'all right down the garden path.

Needless to say, as I have opined, I will be voting 3rd party.  I require a much higher standard of performance.

I never said I like Trump, nor am happy with several decisons.  But Roamer....   I really have a hard time believing you can't see the difference in a flesh wound vs. a fatal shot, which is pretty much the choice in a couple of months.  I really have a hard time believing that a patriot like you would be complicit (like it or not) in allowing a Biden presidency.  At least with Trump, we have a better chance to fight the Fedzilla fiscal battle, because after 4 years of AOC running our energy policy, the only fiscal issues we. will be discussing is SHTF barter for goods and services.

Let it go man......

[roamer_1]

I never said I like Trump, nor am happy with several decisons.  But Roamer....   I really have a hard time believing you can't see the difference in a flesh wound vs. a fatal shot, which is pretty much the choice in a couple of months.  I really have a hard time believing that a patriot like you would be complicit (like it or not) in allowing a Biden presidency.  At least with Trump, we have a better chance to fight the Fedzilla fiscal battle, because after 4 years of AOC running our energy policy, the only fiscal issues we. will be discussing is SHTF barter for goods and services.

Let it go man......

Complicit? REALLY? How is my non-vote fro Tumpy AND my non-vote for Buythem in ANY WAY complicit? I get this same bullcrap from my liberal sister... That by my NOT endorsing Buythem, I am de-facto endorsing Tump. I know you are mathematically inclined, and I should not have to explain NULL to you.

And I very literally do not see a difference between the two sides. Really. Go look at what has been passed into law in the past four years, and tell me how it is in ANY way different than the same UN Marxist v Global Corporate Socialist game that's been playing out all the way along.

HELL NO I will not let it go. Y'all wonder why you never win, even when you win? THIS IS WHY.

[catfish1957]

Complicit? REALLY? How is my non-vote fro Tumpy AND my non-vote for Buythem in ANY WAY complicit?

Individually maybe not, but when a quarter to a half  a million of you idly sit by and let AOC take over?  Damned right.

[roamer_1]

Individually maybe not, but when a quarter to a half  a million of you idly sit by and let AOC take over?  Damned right.

Not right. If you want my vote, be DIFFERENT than AOC. My vote is not hard to receive. Be conservative, and embrace the unmovable principles of the factions of Conservatism, and my vote (and a million or ten more) will be forthcoming.

And oddly enough, those principle things are supposed to be what Conservatives are FIGHTING FOR.
Go look at what has been signed into law the past four years. Because that is what you are endorsing. And it sure as hell ain't conservatism.

[Cyber Liberty]

It would be ironic if, at the end of the day, it turns out Trump wins, because he isn't Sloe Joe Biteme.   

[catfish1957]

Not right. If you want my vote, be DIFFERENT than AOC. My vote is not hard to receive. Be conservative, and embrace the unmovable principles of the factions of Conservatism, and my vote (and a million or ten more) will be forthcoming.

And oddly enough, those principle things are supposed to be what Conservatives are FIGHTING FOR.
Go look at what has been signed into law the past four years. Because that is what you are endorsing. And it sure as hell ain't conservatism.

You and I both know we are pretty damned close politically, and you are maybe the only person I know here as hawkish as I am fiscally. (almost )
Still, I know enough about tactical battle plans, that you don't just die on hill that you have no chance of winning.  You regroup, re-trench, and fight for another day under a Trump presidency.  Is that too hard to understand?  Because if Biden wins, we have no voice in the argument.

[catfish1957]

It would be ironic if, at the end of the day, it turns out Trump wins, because he isn't Sloe Joe Biteme.   

You mean there might be some people put off by the Slow Joe and Hoe ticket?   

[berdie]

I see literally almost *nothing* conservative done that will last beyond the end of his term. Nothing.
Meanwhile, look at what this Republican Senate and Administration have signed into law.

It should curl your hair.
I think all y'all are being played. By a third-rate con walking y'all right down the garden path.

Needless to say, as I have opined, I will be voting 3rd party.  I require a much higher standard of performance.

Well, @roamer_1 I know we disagree on this issue. No matter...disagreement makes the world go round. I don't feel like I am being conned at all. All politicians are cons. They may not be when they start out...but circumstances will change who they are. Like you, I would like to vote for a statesman who is devoid of politics. But in our lifetime and probably never is that going to happen. It makes me sad. Because if it did the Washington elite would eat them alive. The third parties don't have ballot access in every state nor do they have the funding. If you know of a party/candidate that has a shot, please let me know. The only third party I'm aware of that has gained traction is Libertarian. They have seated pols in Congress in the past...not sure about today and not going to look. I have some L beliefs but a lot of their platform goes against my grain.

I will confess, I voted Perot in that election. Even with funding and a good following...you and I both know how that ended.

Sure, I'm voting for Trump. The Dems aren't even trying to hide who they are. I deeply respect your opinion and I love our freedom (today at least) to exercise that freedom at the ballot box.

[roamer_1]

You and I both know we are pretty damned close politically, and you are maybe the only person I know here as hawkish as I am fiscally. (almost )
Still, I know enough about tactical battle plans, that you don't just die on hill that you have no chance of winning.  You regroup, re-trench, and fight for another day under a Trump presidency.  Is that too hard to understand?  Because if Biden wins, we have no voice in the argument.

We have no voice in the argument NOW.  We are not winning NOW. And that's the point.

[aligncare]

Individually maybe not, but when a quarter to a half  a million of you idly sit by and let AOC take over?  Damned right.

In the aggregate, that’s true. But, does exercising one’s franchise amount to abetting? Or is it just voting your conscience? It’s like one of those questions in philosophy 101. Kinda fuzzy.

I understand the rational behind the latter. But I can’t agree unless one seriously assesses the danger and takes ownership for their vote when socialism takes over government and spoils a perfectly good country and ruins millions of lives.

That would bother my conscience a heck of a lot more than making sure I took a principled stance, rather than casting a strategic vote.

[roamer_1]

Well, @roamer_1 I know we disagree on this issue. No matter...disagreement makes the world go round. I don't feel like I am being conned at all. All politicians are cons. They may not be when they start out...but circumstances will change who they are. Like you, I would like to vote for a statesman who is devoid of politics. But in our lifetime and probably never is that going to happen. It makes me sad. Because if it did the Washington elite would eat them alive. The third parties don't have ballot access in every state nor do they have the funding. If you know of a party/candidate that has a shot, please let me know. The only third party I'm aware of that has gained traction is Libertarian. They have seated pols in Congress in the past...not sure about today and not going to look. I have some L beliefs but a lot of their platform goes against my grain.

I will confess, I voted Perot in that election. Even with funding and a good following...you and I both know how that ended.

Sure, I'm voting for Trump. The Dems aren't even trying to hide who they are. I deeply respect your opinion and I love our freedom (today at least) to exercise that freedom at the ballot box.

Hi @berdie ,
Smaller parties will never have the ability to succeed without folks getting behind them to push.
I am actively considering full blown support of the Constitution Party, and putting my bet on them... To include all the things I used to do for Republicans. My abilities and connections would bring mega dough in for them - What they would consider mega-dough... You pull six figures down for Republicans, it is but a pittance. So my effect would be ten-fold there, and in direct support of what I actually believe in. Not merely another decade of lip service.

I cannot see that being any longer a game than the thirty plus years I gave to the big Rinestone 'R'.
And in all the life I have left, they could not possibly betray me as badly. So I really don't care about viability. That which is not viable can be made viable. I really don't care about this election (I always said I have no dog in this hunt, and nothing has happened to change that). If I have to play the long game it certainly won't be the same one that wasted most of my political life.

So IF I get back in, that's how. Otherwise, I will fold up the tent and fall back into the Christian Right, another way to practice Conservatism and make a difference. I know I will NOT vote for that which I oppose. No more mulligans.

All the best and much respect, right back atcha. 

[roamer_1]

In the aggregate, that’s true. But, does exercising one’s franchise amount to abetting?

It certainly does in what one votes *for*. Your endorsement is what makes you complicit.

I understand the rational behind the latter. But I can’t agree unless one seriously assesses the danger and takes ownership for their vote when socialism takes over government and spoils a perfectly good country and ruins millions of lives.

Which socialism? The one you're for, or the one you're against?

That would bother my conscience a heck of a lot more than making sure I took a principled stance, rather than casting a strategic vote.

There is nothing strategic in voting FOR that which you oppose.

[roamer_1]

You and I both know we are pretty damned close politically, and you are maybe the only person I know here as hawkish as I am fiscally. (almost )

And btw, yeah, I know. 

[catfish1957]

In the aggregate, that’s true. But, does exercising one’s franchise amount to abetting? Or is it just voting your conscience? It’s like one of those questions in philosophy 101. Kinda fuzzy.

I understand the rational behind the latter. But I can’t agree unless one seriously assesses the danger and takes ownership for their vote when socialism takes over government and spoils a perfectly good country and ruins millions of lives.

That would bother my conscience a heck of a lot more than making sure I took a principled stance, rather than casting a strategic vote.

In most of my life time 45 yrs of voting, Though "R" was always preferable choice,  "D" was not necessarily dangerous to the basic precepts of our well being as a society.  That has now changed.  It is now a fight for survival, and the socialist left will have no mercy in their quest to destroy us, our freedoms, and individual wealth.  And IMO, I'd prefer doing everything we can at this point to prevent that.  Even if it means postponing the conservative purity litmus test.

[berdie]

@roamer_1 

[dfwgator]

And the vast majority of Romney voters voted for him because he's not Obama.  How did that work out for him.

[DB]

And the vast majority of Romney voters voted for him because he's not Obama.  How did that work out for him.

That is true.

[LegalAmerican]

I felt the same way.  After the way Cruz was treated by Trump I did not vote for Trump or anyone in 2016.  If I have to walk barefooted to my precinct this year to vote for Trump, I will. There is just WAY TOO MUCH on the line this time around.

Sorry, that is backwards propaganda, about CRUZ AND TRUMP.  It was CRUZ...who attacked Trump & Melania..Then TRUMP said,  "be careful ted'.  You need to ask Ben Carson & Marco Rubio, what they have to say about TED.  Don't you know by now, it is all BACKWARDS and lies by media to demonize INNOCENT TRUMP?   POPE makes nasty comment about POTUS,  media says.  "TRUMP ATTACKS POPE".  Not that POTUS WAS,  REPLYING TO POPE ATTACK.    


Yeah. CRUZ attacks Melania,  FIRST.  CRUZ, never knows what is going on, like when he supported TPP...then blamed someone else for HIM voting, for that destructive plan.  Melania was attacked first.

BTW..That is a DIAMOND AD IN GENTLEMAN'S QUARTERLY MAGAZINE.  Melania was a high fashion model. 

NOW, Roger STONE, did a piece on Ted and his dad.  TRUMP had nothing to do with that, but he was blamed for that too.
Funny, how Ted never knows, who did what, but can blame TRUMP for everything, TRUMP...did not do. 


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