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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #100 on: August 17, 2020, 04:46:04 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 17, 2020, 04:08:38 pm
What happens if no one ever gets a chance to vote in anything other than soviet style elections after those years?

The GOP has got the art of scaring people into voting for them down to an art form.

I have faith that the American people will not not permit soviet style elections. I don't buy into this election cycle's latest version of we might be bad but the other guys are worser argument to get votes.

The GOP got control of the presidency and both chambers of Congress last time and what did they accomplish diddly shit. I'm not going to be lied to again....my faith is in the American people and I'm betting giving the presidency to the Dim's will wake people up... :shrug:
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #101 on: August 17, 2020, 05:01:32 pm »
Quote from: montanajoe on August 17, 2020, 04:46:04 pm
The GOP has got the art of scaring people into voting for them down to an art form.

I have faith that the American people will not not permit soviet style elections. I don't buy into this election cycle's latest version of we might be bad but the other guys are worser argument to get votes.

The GOP got control of the presidency and both chambers of Congress last time and what did they accomplish diddly shit. I'm not going to be lied to again....my faith is in the American people and I'm betting giving the presidency to the Dim's will wake people up... :shrug:
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #102 on: August 17, 2020, 05:03:01 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on August 16, 2020, 10:14:06 pm
Maybe have Mike Pence be the one to challenge her eligability?
And he would have to withstand an uptick from those labeling him as a racist. Already done by the media against Trump and he didn’t even say anything.
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #103 on: August 17, 2020, 05:08:41 pm »
Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution says that “no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States” shall be eligible for the presidency. They must also be at least 35 years old.

Harris, 55, was born in Oakland, California.

And Section 2 of the 14th Amendment says that: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

Under that clause and an 1898 Supreme Court ruling, “anyone born on US soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship,” Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute says.

https://factcheck.afp.com/foreign-born-parents-not-obstacle-kamala-harris-becoming-president

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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #104 on: August 17, 2020, 05:09:17 pm »
Quote from: montanajoe on August 17, 2020, 04:46:04 pm
The GOP has got the art of scaring people into voting for them down to an art form.

I have faith that the American people will not not permit soviet style elections. I don't buy into this election cycle's latest version of we might be bad but the other guys are worser argument to get votes.

The GOP got control of the presidency and both chambers of Congress last time and what did they accomplish diddly shit. I'm not going to be lied to again....my faith is in the American people and I'm betting giving the presidency to the Dim's will wake people up... :shrug:

Well, you can take a look at the platform of Biden and Harris and also consider the blatant push for socialism from "The Squad". If you truly think that the GOP will ever be seated again should the DEMS be elected into the oval office or take the majority in the Senate, please explain to me how.

IMHO it's not a matter of the GOP scaring anyone, but sheer reality.

I would never advocate or enourage anyone to vote against their conscience by the way.
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #105 on: August 17, 2020, 05:14:29 pm »
Quote from: HuskyPatriot on August 17, 2020, 05:08:41 pm
Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution says that “no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States” shall be eligible for the presidency. They must also be at least 35 years old.

Harris, 55, was born in Oakland, California.

And Section 2 of the 14th Amendment says that: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

Under that clause and an 1898 Supreme Court ruling, “anyone born on US soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship,” Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute says.

https://factcheck.afp.com/foreign-born-parents-not-obstacle-kamala-harris-becoming-president

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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #106 on: August 17, 2020, 05:16:00 pm »
Quote from: montanajoe on August 17, 2020, 04:46:04 pm
The GOP has got the art of scaring people into voting for them down to an art form.

I have faith that the American people will not not permit soviet style elections. I don't buy into this election cycle's latest version of we might be bad but the other guys are worser argument to get votes.

The GOP got control of the presidency and both chambers of Congress last time and what did they accomplish diddly shit. I'm not going to be lied to again....my faith is in the American people and I'm betting giving the presidency to the Dim's will wake people up... :shrug:
I’m sure it will wake them up. To find themselves effectively replaced with a brand new majority who believe big government that’ll see to their every need is exactly what they want.

After that all the whimpering and kvetching In the world about deficits & conservatism will amount to barking at the moon.
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #107 on: August 17, 2020, 05:33:16 pm »
Quote from: HuskyPatriot on August 17, 2020, 05:08:41 pm
Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution says that “no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States” shall be eligible for the presidency. They must also be at least 35 years old.

Harris, 55, was born in Oakland, California.

And Section 2 of the 14th Amendment says that: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

Under that clause and an 1898 Supreme Court ruling, “anyone born on US soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship,” Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute says.

https://factcheck.afp.com/foreign-born-parents-not-obstacle-kamala-harris-becoming-president

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This issue has been heavily disputed in this forum with all kinds of "rulings" posted as well as "opinion" from constitutional scholars and even among those scholars it has been heavily disputed ...what was the original public meaning of the phrase that establishes the eligibility for the office of President of the United States? There is general agreement on the core of its meaning. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a "natural born citizen.

https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/explaining-the-natural-born-presidency-controversy

http://www.aulawreview.org/natural-born-citizen/

https://scholarship.law.georgetown.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1846&context=facpub

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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #108 on: August 17, 2020, 05:45:23 pm »
Quote from: montanajoe on August 17, 2020, 04:46:04 pm
The GOP has got the art of scaring people into voting for them down to an art form.

I have faith that the American people will not not permit soviet style elections. I don't buy into this election cycle's latest version of we might be bad but the other guys are worser argument to get votes.

The GOP got control of the presidency and both chambers of Congress last time and what did they accomplish diddly shit. I'm not going to be lied to again....my faith is in the American people and I'm betting giving the presidency to the Dim's will wake people up... :shrug:
Watch what happens when the Dems get the House, Senate and Presidency.  They'll get everything on their Socialist/Communist wish list and more.  Our country will be lost.  And you'd be actively supporting this.  I couldn't sleep at night doing that.
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #109 on: August 17, 2020, 06:14:41 pm »
Quote from: montanajoe on August 17, 2020, 04:46:04 pm
The GOP has got the art of scaring people into voting for them down to an art form.

I have faith that the American people will not not permit soviet style elections. I don't buy into this election cycle's latest version of we might be bad but the other guys are worser argument to get votes.

The GOP got control of the presidency and both chambers of Congress last time and what did they accomplish diddly shit. I'm not going to be lied to again....my faith is in the American people and I'm betting giving the presidency to the Dim's will wake people up... :shrug:

Show me on this doll where the big orange man hurt you.

I didn’t vote for Sen. Cruz in the primary, but if Ted Cruz were in the WH now instead of Trump, the same social racial unrest, virus and media partisan attacks, I would be fighting for his re-election regardless he wasn’t my first choice. Just saying.
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #110 on: August 17, 2020, 06:18:03 pm »
Quote from: aligncare on August 17, 2020, 06:14:41 pm
Show me on this doll where the big orange man hurt you.

I didn’t vote for Sen. Cruz in the primary, but if Ted Cruz were in the WH now instead of Trump, the same social racial unrest, virus and media partisan attacks, I would be fighting for his re-election regardless he wasn’t my first choice. Just saying.
Show me on this doll where the big orange man hurt you.

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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #111 on: August 17, 2020, 08:22:59 pm »
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #112 on: August 17, 2020, 09:25:12 pm »
Quote from: HuskyPatriot on August 17, 2020, 05:08:41 pm
Article 2, Section 1 of the Constitution says that “no person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States” shall be eligible for the presidency. They must also be at least 35 years old.

Harris, 55, was born in Oakland, California.

And Section 2 of the 14th Amendment says that: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States.”

Under that clause and an 1898 Supreme Court ruling, “anyone born on US soil and subject to its jurisdiction is a natural born citizen, regardless of parental citizenship,” Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute says.

https://factcheck.afp.com/foreign-born-parents-not-obstacle-kamala-harris-becoming-president

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And they are absolutely wrong.

When the founders wrote the Constitution, they had Vattels Law of Nations at hand, which defined a Natural (Born) Citizen as one born to citizen parents.

According to that interpretation by the Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute, the Child of the Communist Chinese Premier, if born to his wife on a visit to the US, would be Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.

There is no way that sort of conflicted loyalty is what the Founders intended, nor those who sought to ensure former slaves were citizens with the 14th. The entire Anchor Baby interpretation of the 14th not only ignores its purpose, but to state it confers Natural Born Citizen status is nonsense.
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #113 on: August 17, 2020, 09:28:22 pm »
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And they are absolutely wrong.

When the founders wrote the Constitution, they had Vattels Law of Nations at hand, which defined a Natural (Born) Citizen as one born to citizen parents.

According to that interpretation by the Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute, the Child of the Communist Chinese Premier, if born to his wife on a visit to the US, would be Constitutionally eligible to be POTUS.

There is no way that sort of conflicted loyalty is what the Founders intended, nor those who sought to ensure former slaves were citizens with the 14th. The entire Anchor Baby interpretation of the 14th not only ignores its purpose, but to state it confers Natural Born Citizen status is nonsense.

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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #114 on: August 17, 2020, 11:01:49 pm »
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Pretty obscure reference there, chief... 

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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #115 on: August 17, 2020, 11:14:39 pm »
There is no way that sort of conflicted loyalty is what the Founders intended

@Smokin Joe

Absolutely correct.

Pretty sure to 100% or more certainty the intent of the Founders was written down. They called it The Constitution. I think there are copies still around.

I don't think they were relying on the "Cornholes Law School's Legal Information Institute' opinion.

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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #116 on: August 18, 2020, 05:56:58 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 17, 2020, 05:14:29 pm
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Read my posts upthread.  I'm not going to repeat myself for your benefit.

OK.  I've seen your posts.  But Supreme Court said it.... Should they address it again now?? I guess they can to satisfy repeated current discussion.  And if they rule as they did before? Your "fecal matter" can be someone else's legal conclusion no matter how you think.  A legal degree you have or just rambunctious?? I respect "rambunctious"....even in disagreement. Try not to go ballistic with any response to this, I'm new here and my skin is not thick as yet. But I'm sure that you'll "thicken it"!! :seeya:
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #117 on: August 18, 2020, 06:07:48 pm »
Quote from: HuskyPatriot on August 18, 2020, 05:56:58 pm
OK.  I've seen your posts.  But Supreme Court said it.... Should they address it again now?? I guess they can to satisfy repeated current discussion.  And if they rule as they did before? Your "fecal matter" can be someone else's legal conclusion no matter how you think.  A legal degree you have or just rambunctious?? I respect "rambunctious"....even in disagreement. Try not to go ballistic with any response to this, I'm new here and my skin is not thick as yet. But I'm sure that you'll "thicken it"!! :seeya:

@HuskyPatriot NOT quite sure as to why you want to antagonize or try to agitate a respected fellow poster in here.  I know this wasn't directed at me, but I take offense to your post.  You mention that you are new ... I'll let it go at that.

We often don't agree with each other in here but we try to remain respectful especially of those that have been posting in this forum for a while and those with a political history.

Secondly, the SCOTUS has never ruled on this issue.  Never!! 
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #118 on: August 18, 2020, 06:42:47 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on August 18, 2020, 06:07:48 pm
@HuskyPatriot NOT quite sure as to why you want to antagonize or try to agitate a respected fellow poster in here.  I know this wasn't directed at me, but I take offense to your post.  You mention that you are new ... I'll let it go at that.

We often don't agree with each other in here but we try to remain respectful especially of those that have been posting in this forum for a while and those with a political history.

Secondly, the SCOTUS has never ruled on this issue.  Never!!

OK.  I was a bit sarcastic and playful I think. The person in question has an aggressive attitude, that I thought I was responding to in a light way.  But libertybele, I respect your opinion on this and will no doubt "see" you again somewhere here. I hope the person you're defending will respond in some way. I do enjoy this "room" and will no doubt get used to the type of banter used!!! Peace!  :cool:
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #119 on: August 18, 2020, 07:05:16 pm »
Quote from: HuskyPatriot on August 18, 2020, 05:56:58 pm
OK.  I've seen your posts.  But Supreme Court said it.... Should they address it again now?? I guess they can to satisfy repeated current discussion.  And if they rule as they did before? Your "fecal matter" can be someone else's legal conclusion no matter how you think.  A legal degree you have or just rambunctious?? I respect "rambunctious"....even in disagreement. Try not to go ballistic with any response to this, I'm new here and my skin is not thick as yet. But I'm sure that you'll "thicken it"!! :seeya:

Either you can't read or you missed the post where I said:

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SCOTUS has never applied the term "natural born citizen" to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”

The Venus, 12 U.S. 8 Cranch 253 253 (1814)

The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens.

Minor v. Happersett , 88 U.S. 162 (1875)

At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens,

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)

(A)ll children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.

The case you are referring to (United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)) said that the plaintiff was a citizen at birth. Nothing more.  And there is a clear difference between being a mere citizen and a Natural Born Citizen.

Sorry to burst your bubble @HuskyPatriot but there it is!
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #120 on: August 18, 2020, 07:13:48 pm »
Quote from: HuskyPatriot on August 18, 2020, 06:42:47 pm
OK.  I was a bit sarcastic and playful I think. The person in question has an aggressive attitude, that I thought I was responding to in a light way.  But libertybele, I respect your opinion on this and will no doubt "see" you again somewhere here. I hope the person you're defending will respond in some way. I do enjoy this "room" and will no doubt get used to the type of banter used!!! Peace!  :cool:

@Bigun is one of our more passionate Members, whom I have had the pleasure to know for >20 years....
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #121 on: August 18, 2020, 07:14:39 pm »
Quote from: Bigun on August 18, 2020, 07:05:16 pm
Either you can't read or you missed the post where I said:

The case you are referring to (United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898)) said that the plaintiff was a citizen at birth. Nothing more.  And there is a clear difference between being a mere citizen and a Natural Born Citizen.

I guess I DID miss some of your posts!!! (My bad.) Let's settle this once and for all, but as mentioned folks are afraid to be non-PC and such! In the meantime.....  Illegal immigrants will still want their driver's licenses.  (A different thread but....)  Onward conservative warriors!!!   :patriot:
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« Reply #122 on: August 18, 2020, 07:16:27 pm »
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@Bigun is one of our more passionate Members, whom I have had the pleasure to know for >20 years....

Indeed!!!!!  Passion is a good thing.  I could use some to not feel like passion is aggressiveness!    wink777
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Re: Some Questions for Kamala Harris About Eligibility | Opinion
« Reply #123 on: August 18, 2020, 07:22:05 pm »
Quote from: HuskyPatriot on August 18, 2020, 07:14:39 pm
I guess I DID miss some of your posts!!! (My bad.) Let's settle this once and for all, but as mentioned folks are afraid to be non-PC and such! In the meantime.....  Illegal immigrants will still want their driver's licenses.  (A different thread but....)  Onward conservative warriors!!!   :patriot:

Welcome to TBR @HuskyPatriot  :beer:

When you say things here you can expect to be challenged so you had better be able to back up what you say with facts.

Hope you will take that as friendly advice because that IS how I intended it.

BTW: I once was a mod here but had to give it up due to a very low tolerance for dumbassery.  Just so you know.
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« Reply #124 on: August 18, 2020, 07:23:09 pm »
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@Bigun is one of our more passionate Members, whom I have had the pleasure to know for >20 years....

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