Trump Taps Esteemed Anti-Fauci Stanford Doc for COVID Team – Huge Game Changer

[PeteS in CA]

@PeteS in CA

You can keep listing all these actions for every month -- some of which I still say may have occurred without his involvement or maybe even his knowledge -- but those lists do not mitigate what he has said and done (or didn't do) in public.  I notice you didn't address the things he said and did (or didn't do) which I discussed some posts back -- downplaying the severity of the virus, hijacking his task force's briefings, contradicting the experts on that task force, pushing a drug of dubious effectiveness and safety, trying to force schools to open when they aren't ready and the failure of his son-in-law to deliver supplies and equipment to hospitals and first responders. 
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@Applewood, you're the one who posted, "I'm not focused on what he may have done back in January and February.  I'm talking about his actions (or inactions) lately." So I answered that statement. And, unsurprisingly, you move the goalposts again. I'm pointing out facts, things done by Trump and his Administration while you speak vaguely about your feelings about and intepretations of things Trump said. Actions speak louder than words and can't be re-spun. You might also want to look up "management" and "delegating" in the dictionary, since you want to narrow the goalposts by requiring Trump's direct actions in things his Administration has done.

Hydroxychloroquine is NOT "a drug of dubious ... safety". It was approved for use against malaria by the FDA in 1955. It has side effects, like any drug, but properly used it is safe. And properly used it improves many patients' outcomes; whether that meets your definition of "effective" I won't try to guess.

Trump and Jared Kushner are not responsible for supplying PPE to cities' and states' hospitals. I could say more on this but need to run. If you care about facts, though, try Googling "Project Airbridge".

[truth_seeker]

Nothing "Tumpy" says or does that's any good at all.  Not.  One.  God.  Damned. Thing.

That is the main basis for the site since anti Trump members were recruited coddled, etc..
Sinkspur, Cripplecreek, GeronL. Onceler, Chosen Daughter, and others.

[DCPatriot]

Yes, that aspect of it is driving me to distraction.  I'm taking a vacation next weekend.  Our Niece and her hubby's adoption of a wonderful little boy is finalized next week, and we're going to SoCal to celebrate with him. 

My patience is getting a bit thin for this business right now.

Welcome to my World, @Cyber Liberty

Careful with those nuke codes, there....     

[XenaLee]

That is the main basis for the site since anti Trump members were recruited coddled, etc..
Sinkspur, Cripplecreek, GeronL. Onceler, Chosen Daughter, and others.

Um.... they can't have been very ""coddled""....

since they're not here any more.   JS....

[Cyber Liberty]

Um.... they can't have been very ""coddled""....

since they're not here any more.   JS....

We thought long and hard on those ghosts.  Y'all have no idea.

[XenaLee]

We thought long and hard on those ghosts.  Y'all have no idea.

I can only imagine.  You're in a catch-22 position.   Either way you go you're going to piss off "someone".   Such is life.   

[libertybele]

Yes, that aspect of it is driving me to distraction.  I'm taking a vacation next weekend.  Our Niece and her hubby's adoption of a wonderful little boy is finalized next week, and we're going to SoCal to celebrate with him. 

My patience is getting a bit thin for this business right now.

Hope you have a restful and peaceful vacation and Congrats on the new addition!!   

[FeelNoPain]

@Applewood, you're the one who posted, "I'm not focused on what he may have done back in January and February.  I'm talking about his actions (or inactions) lately." So I answered that statement. And, unsurprisingly, you move the goalposts again. I'm pointing out facts, things done by Trump and his Administration while you speak vaguely about your feelings about and intepretations of things Trump said. Actions speak louder than words and can't be re-spun. You might also want to look up "management" and "delegating" in the dictionary, since you want to narrow the goalposts by requiring Trump's direct actions in things his Administration has done...

I do not necessarily believe actions speak louder than words during election season when the Dems are running ad after ad of the President's own words in his own voice and reminding voters of nearly 200,000 dead Americans. I'm not saying it is all 45's fault, but he damn well could have been more circumspect about his choice of words concerning the virus back in the winter. I notice that his tone has changed recently--why is that unless he knows that he was losing the messaging war?

You're smarter than me, because I believe the following statements of Trump's are insurmountably damning and I have no idea as to how 45's team is going to counter them. As we hunker down in the crucial swinging area of the Philly suburbs for more remote learning for our children, Trump words echo like Baghdad Bob's.

JAN 22
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine.”

JAN 30
“We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”

FEB 24
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA."

FEB 25
“You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”

FEB 26
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

FEB 28
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

[FeelNoPain]

Odd as hell that one sticking to conservative mores can be called an hater on a Conservative forum.

   I found Bill Clinton disqualifying vile and I find Donald Trump to be cut from the same reprobate cloth. We all make our choices about what principles and standards we hold true to and which ones we don't. I'm not asking anyone to change theirs, but I damn sure ain't changing mine.

[roamer_1]

   I found Bill Clinton disqualifying vile and I find Donald Trump to be cut from the same reprobate cloth. We all make our choices about what principles and standards we hold true to and which ones we don't. I'm not asking anyone to change theirs, but I damn sure ain't changing mine.

That's about the same for me - Though his being vile is only symptomatic of poor overall character. It is the lack of character that was (and is) my first objection... A man who will treat his opponents as he treated Cruz is enough of an indicator to predict poor performance. And the last four years have verified that position to me as predicted. His actions have conformed to his character.

[Jazzhead]

I don't have any fundamental objection to the Trump administration's handling of the pandemic.   It has from the start advised the public specifically what it had to do to stay safe and it is moving heaven and earth to find and marshal the resources to dispense a vaccine.  And it has kept pressing the need to reopen the economy and stem the terrible and tragic collateral damage of fighting a virus with economic suicide.  Fifteen days to slow the spread was the right idea.  Not six, twelve, eighteen months.   

[Absalom]

Washington, Jay, Hancock, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Rutherford, Hamilton and Randolph;
among several dozen, founded our nation.
Historians have asserted their foremost trait was character.
Imagine the likes of a buffoon like Trump in their presence?????

[GtHawk]

Yes, that aspect of it is driving me to distraction.  I'm taking a vacation next weekend.  Our Niece and her hubby's adoption of a wonderful little boy is finalized next week, and we're going to SoCal to celebrate with him. 

My patience is getting a bit thin for this business right now.

Well enjoy your trip out to SoCal, even though we will be having a warm streak I have no doubt it will still be cooler than Bullhead.

[FeelNoPain]

I don't have any fundamental objection to the Trump administration's handling of the pandemic.   It has from the start advised the public specifically what it had to do to stay safe and it is moving heaven and earth to find and marshal the resources to dispense a vaccine.  And it has kept pressing the need to reopen the economy and stem the terrible and tragic collateral damage of fighting a virus with economic suicide. Fifteen days to slow the spread was the right idea.  Not six, twelve, eighteen months.

Is this when Trump tweeted, "LIBERATE MICHIGAN,” “LIBERATE MINNESOTA,” and “LIBERATE VIRGINIA, and save your great 2nd Amendment. It is under siege!” the very next day after the White House issued those two week guidelines?

[bigheadfred]

Washington, Jay, Hancock, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Rutherford, Hamilton and Randolph;
among several dozen, founded our nation.
Historians have asserted their foremost trait was character.
Imagine the likes of a buffoon like Trump in their presence?????

All of those had very little of anything but parsing through relics. Wherefore and with what did the so called Enlightment occur?

Where are the Greeks? Where are the Romans. The ANY other advanced empires now? Nero? pshaw. Caligula? pshaw

You compare this buffoon to them..pshaw

NONE are left.

While you are perusing this thought, stop by the Megalithic ruins....in Yemen.

Imagine a simple shepherd who could slay a giant. And become king.

Conjectural. Contextual.  CoCo Bean.

You do know CoCo Bean. She is my nine-month-old granddaughter. She tried her Jedi mind tricks on me when I got home from work. I, of course, could do little more than repeat hippopotamus back to her.

[bigheadfred]

That is the main basis for the site since anti Trump members were recruited coddled, etc..
Sinkspur, Cripplecreek, GeronL. Onceler, Chosen Daughter, and others.

Recruited and coddled I think not.

The last f8ucking thing I want to hear here is an echo echo echo chamber.

And Trump lust is the same.

[Smokin Joe]

Odd as hell that one sticking to conservative mores can be called an hater on a Conservative forum.

Why not? Anyone sticking to conservative mores is called a hater purt'near anywhere else.

[Smokin Joe]

I do not necessarily believe actions speak louder than words during election season when the Dems are running ad after ad of the President's own words in his own voice and reminding voters of nearly 200,000 dead Americans. I'm not saying it is all 45's fault, but he damn well could have been more circumspect about his choice of words concerning the virus back in the winter. I notice that his tone has changed recently--why is that unless he knows that he was losing the messaging war?

You're smarter than me, because I believe the following statements of Trump's are insurmountably damning and I have no idea as to how 45's team is going to counter them. As we hunker down in the crucial swinging area of the Philly suburbs for more remote learning for our children, Trump words echo like Baghdad Bob's.

JAN 22
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine.”

JAN 30
“We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”

FEB 24
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA."

FEB 25
“You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”

FEB 26
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

FEB 28
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Recall, if you will, those announcements were made to quell panic at the thought of projections which claimed there would be 2 MILLION dead, in short order. It was the reason to "flatten the curve", so hospitals and suppliers would not be completely overwhelmed. 

[bigheadfred]

Why not? Anyone sticking to conservative mores is called a hater purt'near anywhere else.

purt'near

What a lovely phrase.

There really are other bastions out there.

[bigheadfred]

FWIW, Idaho has had restrictions. But I haven't stopped working.

The grandkids will be going back to school on Monday. I think they are supposed to wear a mask. But that won't fly. The only thing that builds my protective layer of filth is close proximity to schoolkids.

[Smokin Joe]

FWIW, Idaho has had restrictions. But I haven't stopped working.

The grandkids will be going back to school on Monday. I think they are supposed to wear a mask. But that won't fly. The only thing that builds my protective layer of filth is close proximity to schoolkids.

I hear you. I'm surrounded by a constant swarm of grands and great grands and their friends, and with oil activity at a bare crawl have gone back to my fall-back job delivering food. Some folks want the full mask and glove no contact treatment (which they get) while others are just happy to see a friendly face and get their food.

It dawns on me how much an integral part of interpersonal communication our facial expressions are, and how little we get of that with a mask on. It also dawns on me that the Muslims must be laughing at the dhimmis with their faces wrapped...

[PeteS in CA]

That is the main basis for the site since anti Trump members were recruited coddled, etc..
Sinkspur, Cripplecreek, GeronL. Onceler, Chosen Daughter, and others.

When I looked at the members list, Sinkspur and GeronL aren't even on it, maybe a beyond banning thing. Cripplecreek hasn't been "active" in 2 years (a year before I registered). Onceler is so banned that his name has been changed. I think Chosen has also had a Close Encounter of the Ban-Hammer Kind. So, "coddled"? I think "given lots of rope" would be more correct.

[PeteS in CA]

...
JAN 22
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine.”

JAN 30
“We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully. But we’re working very closely with China and other countries, and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”

FEB 24
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA."

FEB 25
“You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”

FEB 26
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."

FEB 28
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”

Wow! Actual specific Trump statements. Thank you (and I'm not being scarcastic). Now to apply the standard I stated at least a couple of times, "Without resorting to facts not known at the time".

What was known on January 22? The first confirmed Covid-19 case in the US was confirmed on January 20th, https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html . So Trump's statement was reasonable for what was known at the time.

What was known on January 30? Trump's statement says it, "We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five." Five people in a country of >300M. Note, too, that he qualified his comment with, "at this moment".

As for Trump's statements on February 24th, 25, and 26th, his statement on the 26th gives the context of what he knew at the time: "when you have 15 people". 15 total known infections. When the first confirmed infection was confirmed on January 20th. 14 new known infections over a 5 week time period. Not the least unreasonable for what was known at the time.

The Trump comment you gave for February 28th was actually made on the 27th, https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/27/politics/trump-coronavirus-disappear/index.html :

Trump says coronavirus will 'disappear' eventually

(CNN)President Donald Trump expressed optimism Thursday that the novel coronavirus would eventually be contained and eliminated in the United States, even as he acknowledged it could get worse first.

"It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear," Trump told attendees at an African American History Month reception in the White House Cabinet Room. The World Health Organization says the virus has "pandemic potential" and medical experts have warned it will spread in the US.

The President added that "from our shores, you know, it could get worse before it gets better. Could maybe go away. We'll see what happens. Nobody really knows."

I hope you got that "FEB 28" "quote" from some website, @FeelNoPain, because I'd hate to think that you were the one who deceptively omitted context that contradicts the p[oint of the "quote". And by the way, there are viruses that are basically seasonal, breaking out in fall-winter and dying down in spring-summer. So Trump wasn't making @#$% up when he said this coronavirus might die down a little later in the year.

Context matters, whether the context of what was known when something was said or simply quoting someone honestly. Those gotcha-quotes fail because of chronological context, except for the one that dishonestly omitted Trump's full statement.

[PeteS in CA]

I don't have any fundamental objection to the Trump administration's handling of the pandemic.   It has from the start advised the public specifically what it had to do to stay safe and it is moving heaven and earth to find and marshal the resources to dispense a vaccine.  And it has kept pressing the need to reopen the economy and stem the terrible and tragic collateral damage of fighting a virus with economic suicide.  Fifteen days to slow the spread was the right idea.  Not six, twelve, eighteen months.

That, as a whole, is approximately where I'm at. Prevent hospitals from being overwhelmed, protect the most vulnerable at the worst time, but not short-circuit the natural herd immunity process. It's looking like China's total shutdown (and I do mean total) made that mistake, and recurring outbreaks are the natural result of not allowing the herd immunity process.

Re what I bolded, like I said above, supplying PPE to hospitals is not the Federal government's first-line responsibility. First, it's the hospital's responsibility to have reasonable stock. Second, local jurisdictions should have emergency stocks. Third, the various states should have emergency stocks. The Federal government should be the everything-else-failed last resort.

As you said, what the Trump Administration did do - something that the Feds should do, because it's a national "thing" - is jump-starting the processes of vaccine and treatments development, approval, production, and distribution. Trump (using him as a metaphor for his Administration) started doing that in January, building on the DARPA program begun in 2018, and has been working with companies to fund and expedite development and testing, and more recently, arranged for large-scale production and secured 100s of millions of vaccine doses, contingent on success in tests. Trump has done similarly with the many various potential treatments. I'm trying to avoid gushing rhetoric, but Trump has handled it all in a business-like way where Hillary or Biden would have done it (if at all) government-centric, making government an obstacle and a bottleneck.

[Cyber Liberty]

I'm trying to avoid gushing rhetoric, but Trump has handled it all in a business-like way where Hillary or Biden would have done it (if at all) government-centric, making government an obstacle and a bottleneck.

If Hillz were Preezy of the United Steezy, instead of Trump, COVID would not even be a story, and there wouldn't be a "mask brigade."  None of this would have happened.