American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns

[Right_in_Virginia]

I posit that if "they" are now campaigning for Marxists.... they were never true conservatives in the first place.   Conservatives don't change their spots like that (like leftists do).

But they are the brand bearers.

[Axeslinger]

Or y'all could stop trying to bitch and browbeat Conservatives into voting for your clown, while not offering a DAMN thing Conservatives would be interested in.

@roamer_1 @Right_in_Virginia
Here is where I am at and where all the usual browbeaters OF CONSERVATIVES (!!!) should be:

I believe that, while trump is far from perfect, he has satisfied ME, and ME ALONE, to warrant my vote come re-election time. I also accept that he has not done that for you who hold other, different principles in high regard than I do.  I hope you join me, because we need all the help we can get.  But if not, I tip my hat to you because I’d rather you fight with me than against me.


But, nah, instead we can just call each other traitorous @sshole$ because that’s much more productive

[XenaLee]

But they are the brand bearers.

The brand has been soiled and all but demolished.   We need a new brand. 

[roamer_1]

The difference is... your brand of "cacophony" sung here accomplishes nothing positive for America.   Absolutely nothing.  And some might say it accomplishes just the opposite.   

Exactly the opposite is true. I have never moved an inch from the same things I have always preached.
If we are now out of agreement, it cannot be me who has moved.

[XenaLee]

Exactly the opposite is true. I have never moved an inch from the same things I have always preached.
If we are now out of agreement, it cannot be me who has moved.

No, it may not be you that has changed stance... but that's only because you are a stubborn old coot who probably never has "changed" your stance...

despite the harshness of reality smacking you upside the head....lololol.

[roamer_1]

No, it may not be you that has changed stance... but that's only because you are a stubborn old coot who probably never has "changed" your stance...

despite the harshness of reality smacking you upside the head....lololol.

Perhaps some research into the 'principle of prescription' as mentioned by @Absalom might shed some light on that stubbornness, and why it is necessary. Reality is found therein.

[EdinVA]

No, it may not be you that has changed stance... but that's only because you are a stubborn old coot who probably never has "changed" your stance...

despite the harshness of reality smacking you upside the head....lololol.

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1 @Right_in_Virginia
Here is where I am at and where all the usual browbeaters OF CONSERVATIVES (!!!) should be:

I believe that, while trump is far from perfect, he has satisfied ME, and ME ALONE, to warrant my vote come re-election time. I also accept that he has not done that for you who hold other, different principles in high regard than I do.  I hope you join me, because we need all the help we can get.  But if not, I tip my hat to you because I’d rather you fight with me than against me.


But, nah, instead we can just call each other traitorous @sshole$ because that’s much more productive

@Axeslinger - I can pretty well agree with that, with the exception that it does not serve or define Conservatism, which is, I am told, what we gather here to support. If Tumpists want to call themselves nationalists and/or pragmatists, I would have no argument.

But I would still point and laugh from the sidelines.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The brand has been soiled and all but demolished.   We need a new brand.

I agree ... and I think one is emerging now.   

[Right_in_Virginia]

@roamer_1 @Right_in_Virginia
Here is where I am at and where all the usual browbeaters OF CONSERVATIVES (!!!) should be:

I believe that, while trump is far from perfect, he has satisfied ME, and ME ALONE, to warrant my vote come re-election time. I also accept that he has not done that for you who hold other, different principles in high regard than I do.  I hope you join me, because we need all the help we can get.  But if not, I tip my hat to you because I’d rather you fight with me than against me.


But, nah, instead we can just call each other traitorous @sshole$ because that’s much more productive

Instead of browbeating me for posting on a thread about the failures of conservatism ... maybe you could work your magic with the mods and have such articles banned?   

[roamer_1]

I agree ... and I think one is emerging now.   

Yet another hyphenated misanthropy.

[Axeslinger]

@Axeslinger - I can pretty well agree with that, with the exception that it does not serve or define Conservatism, which is, I am told, what we gather here to support. If Tumpists want to call themselves nationalists and/or pragmatists, I would have no argument.

But I would still point and laugh from the sidelines.

@roamer_1

Both sides here should strive for intellectual honesty and not trying to rub each other’s noses in it. 
I have arrived, after a long while, where I can vote for Trump.  Not because he’s perfect, but because he’s what we’ve got and he’s been generally better than I expected.  You have not. Cool. I know you’ll join us in fighting all the other fights we have on our plate because damn if we don’t need you!

[XenaLee]

Perhaps some research into the 'principle of prescription' as mentioned by @Absalom might shed some light on that stubbornness, and why it is necessary. Reality is found therein.

I'm stubborn too, but being a realist trumps (pardon expression) my stubborn nature.  I change according to what my logic tells me.   I just don't find that kind (your kind) of stubbornness to be helpful at this time in our nation's orchestrated demise by the left.  JS....

[XenaLee]

Yet another hyphenated misanthropy.

Huh?   Hey, old dear.... if you're trying to dazzle us with your brilliance via those big words....

you're failing....

miserably.   

[Axeslinger]

Instead of browbeating me for posting on a thread about the failures of conservatism ... maybe you could work your magic with the mods and have such articles banned?   

Really?!? You’re calling for things to be banned here because they offend your sensibilities?

Or...

You could just pass on by this bad boy.  Boom!  No harm, no foul!
Remember the good ol days?  Something was on the tv you didn’t like?  Why, you’d just go to another channel!  Crazy, right?

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Both sides here should strive for intellectual honesty and not trying to rub each other’s noses in it. 
I have arrived, after a long while, where I can vote for Trump.  Not because he’s perfect, but because he’s what we’ve got and he’s been generally better than I expected.  You have not. Cool. I know you’ll join us in fighting all the other fights we have on our plate because damn if we don’t need you!

 

[roamer_1]

I'm stubborn too, but being a realist trumps (pardon expression) my stubborn nature.  I change according to what my logic tells me.   I just don't find that kind (your kind) of stubbornness to be helpful at this time in our nation's orchestrated demise by the left.  JS....

Knock yourself out   Don't expect me to come along.

[Cyber Liberty]

I've been watching this thread scroll up and down my Unread Posts page for days....afraid to see what's going on in here.....

 

[roamer_1]

Huh?   Hey, old dear.... if you're trying to dazzle us with your brilliance via those big words....

you're failing....

miserably.   

I do know some 5 dollar words. And I meant exactly what I said.

[XenaLee]

Knock yourself out   Don't expect me to come along.

Don't worry.  I don't. 

[XenaLee]

I do know some 5 dollar words. And I meant exactly what I said.

You forgot to add..."So there!".   

[XenaLee]

I've been watching this thread scroll up and down my Unread Posts page for days....afraid to see what's going on in here.....

 

We're just having fun, CL.  You know... the ssdd "bicker factor".  An eternal constant in the universe.   

Cute smiley, btw.

[Bigun]

I've been watching this thread scroll up and down my Unread Posts page for days....afraid to see what's going on in here.....

 

[Cyber Liberty]

We're just having fun, CL.  You know... the ssdd "bicker factor".  An eternal constant in the universe.   

Cute smiley, btw.

Well, I can say there haven't been any Mod reports filed on it....

[Cyber Liberty]

I made that into a smiley, down at the bottom of the pop-up window.