American Conservatism Is Fiddling While Rome Burns

[EdinVA]

The problem with republicans today is that they say nothing...just wait for things to pass. They aren't leaders anymore, they are in the backseat so they can have a nap when things get rough. This was a long video, 13 minutes, and sorry about that, but you can skip the first 60 seconds, it's just intro! More or less bashing republicans, but hey Ad Hominem ya know? Not bashing their principles, just their silence during this violence and unrest. I swing much more libertarian so I have no camp at all...lol. But I think I summed it up fairly well!


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Exactly why I voted for Trump... Tired of empty promises, and K Street sheep....

[Bigun]

The last actual conservative to occupy the Whitehouse was Calvin Coolidge.  The last one who actually became a major party nominee was Barry Goldwater and he may well be the last one ever to do so.

[Bigun]

The problem with republicans today is that they say nothing...just wait for things to pass. They aren't leaders anymore, they are in the backseat so they can have a nap when things get rough. This was a long video, 13 minutes, and sorry about that, but you can skip the first 60 seconds, it's just intro! More or less bashing republicans, but hey Ad Hominem ya know? Not bashing their principles, just their silence during this violence and unrest. I swing much more libertarian so I have no camp at all...lol. But I think I summed it up fairly well!


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   A bunch of damned porch nails afraid to poke their heads up for fear of being hit on the head with the establishment hammer!

[LegalAmerican]

Why NOT blame the evil demon-rats?  Always beating up the ONLY guys trying to keep us safe & free.  RINO'S..are worthless.

Wrong people are being vilified.  "We do this...all the time! ".   TIME TO PUT BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS...ON DEMON-RATS.  Who are Anti-Americans.  How about giving THAT a try?   'They" want us to bash the right & republicans.  TIME TO STOP.

If it weren't for all the ANTI-AMERICAN ANTICS by demon-rats...REPUBLICANS, WOULD NOT NEED TO REACT or fight against them.  RINO'S..are the problem, not real Republicans. BTW I tested out to be LIBERTARIAN.   I think most people on the right, just want to live & let live.  Not so with demon-rats.  THEY WANT US TO BE SLAVES TO THEM!  Think I exaggerate?  Did you see all the foot and hand kissing for B.L.M.S by white people.  Bowing down to them. 

[LegalAmerican]

Conservatives need to stop whining and pointing fingers.  As Mr. Azerrad suggests:  Offer the people solutions for today's problems; show how the solutions will be implemented and prove that you are up to the challenge  --- and the people will come.

Stop fiddling while the nation burns.

 

I personally am sick of the virtue signalers, who think my POTUS is not pure enough for them, when if they knew all the debauchery on the DEMON-RAT side, they would be grateful for my POTUS.   S.O.S. 

[LegalAmerican]

Or...people could just go on bitching and browbeating others for not being “conservative enough” while winnable elections slip through their fingers searching for the perfect conservative. (Since he’s dead, Goldwater was unavailable for comment)

CORRECT.   

[LegalAmerican]

There is not a thing wrong with the ideology espoused by Barry Goldwater 60 years ago. The good Trump has done or has tried to do - border security, regulations reform, energy independence, reduction of military involvement in foreign countries, originalist judges, etc. - are all in accord with classic Conservatism, whether he calls himself one or not.

It's our tactics of how we take and hold political power that must change.

HIGH FIVE!   

POTUS is a conservative.  It is MEDIA and others (virtue signalers) who think that he isn't one.  As you pointed out, ALL his policy's and effort are conservative.  A lot of beta males, have TRUMP Envy from 30 + years ago!  They can't get over their envy issues.  www.magapill.com

[LegalAmerican]

Reagan didn’t check off every conservative box. William F. Buckley Jr. didn’t check off every conservative box. For heavens sake, Goldwater didn’t check off every conservative box.

Conservatives need dynamic leaders, not just ideologues draped in conservative purity.

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When will VIRTUE SIGNALERS....GET THAT?  ( I doubt they ever will, "THEIR PURITY" is more important)
 
     

[LegalAmerican]

I believe Trump to be a leader.  Yes, I have issues with how he has handled the riots and his intent to grant a roadway to citizenship with DACA.  He has made some accomplishments that have taken this country in a more positive direction.  Can you imagine if he had conservative leadership in the Senate and a Senate devoid of RINO's what he could accomplish?  Can you imagine if we would have had conservative leadership in the House instead of a RINO?  We would still have the majority. 

Why do you keep repeating your wrong PREMISS?  It has been explained many times to you, but you persist.  POTUS did not guarantee any amnesty.  Why do you persist?  RIOTS?  STATES RIGHTS. You do not understand chain of command. You want POTUS to act like a dictator and Rambo,  instead of following the CONSTITUTION.  S.C. is still working on DACA ISSUE.  It was put in by OBAMA with an E.O.,  yet S.C., won't allow a removal of that by THIS POTUS E.O.  Why?
The plan is to return all.  Then, they can apply, to come here legally, if no criminal record, and become citizens.
I think that is fair, all the way around. ANCHOR BABY'S..born here by their ILLEGAL PARENTS.

Yes, I have issues with how he has handled the riots and his intent to grant a roadway to citizenship with DACA. =LIBERTY

[Absalom]

The last actual conservative to occupy the Whitehouse was Calvin Coolidge.  The last one who actually became a major party nominee was Barry Goldwater and he may well be the last one ever to do so.

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On the mark.

[roamer_1]

And we're not doing it as "conservatives". 

Well that much can't be argued with. But then stop claiming to be conservatives.

And most of all, get the hell out of the way.

Oh I am all the way the hell out of the way alright.

[libertybele]

Why do you keep repeating your wrong PREMISS?  It has been explained many times to you, but you persist.  POTUS did not guarantee any amnesty.  Why do you persist?  RIOTS?  STATES RIGHTS. You do not understand chain of command. You want POTUS to act like a dictator and Rambo,  instead of following the CONSTITUTION.  S.C. is still working on DACA ISSUE.  It was put in by OBAMA with an E.O.,  yet S.C., won't allow a removal of that by THIS POTUS E.O.  Why?
The plan is to return all.  Then, they can apply, to come here legally, if no criminal record, and become citizens.
I think that is fair, all the way around. ANCHOR BABY'S..born here by their ILLEGAL PARENTS.

Yes, I have issues with how he has handled the riots and his intent to grant a roadway to citizenship with DACA. =LIBERTY

The information that I have posted is NOT wrong; unless you believe that what POTUS says and does are two different things and I AM entitled to my opinion just as you are yours.  He has been quoted several times in regards to his intent to grant a roadway to citizenship for DACA; perhaps you don't see that as amnesty, but I sure as heck do.  He has also been quoted several times about his use of the Insurrection Act/military. It is you who refuses to acknowledge what he has said.  Yes, I take issue with his stance on both.

[roamer_1]

Or...people could just go on bitching and browbeating others for not being “conservative enough” while winnable elections slip through their fingers searching for the perfect conservative. (Since he’s dead, Goldwater was unavailable for comment)

Or y'all could stop trying to bitch and browbeat Conservatives into voting for your clown, while not offering a DAMN thing Conservatives would be interested in.

[Bigun]

I see this as two seperate issues.

1. A holding action in order to live and fight another day.

2. Educating folks and promoting consevertism.


Not going to browbeat anyone.

[roamer_1]

I agree with you.  Here's why ...

... this new Right has a decidedly unconservative temperament. It is spirited, manly, and combative. We fight with the same intensity, resolve, and clarity of purpose with which the Left fights. And we fight not to stem our losses, but to win.

This new Right understands not just ideas, but power. ... We understand the need to build new institutions—in particular those with the power to shape public opinion—

We also understand the importance of knowing how to govern.

(FTA)

The 'new right' is un-conservative in every way, to include temperment.
It has no clarity of purpose and 'fights' for nothing. Winning is all and means nothing.

Grabbing for power is right, but knowing how to govern? BWAHAHAHAHA.

[Absalom]

That's right... Conservatism and Conservatives have NOTHING to do with what's going on.

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@Roamer, indeed.
As you realize, it does not take genius to grasp an idea; simply pause and reflection rather than
hustle and noise.
But that is a bridge too far for the predictable ranters, so the result is another endless scrum of
blame and responsibility posts.
Principled Conservatism was and remains first, last and always, an idea as to the attitudes,
behaviors, impulses and sentiments necessary for culture/society to survive and thrive.
Logic allowed Man to examine the Natural Law and discern the precepts that would best achieve that result, permitting the wise ancients to define the moral order of principled conservatism, which had nothing to do w/economics, politics or religion.
At its core, is the Principle of Prescription which asserts that the precedent of matters agreed
by timeless usage, is eternally superior to any current whim.
Yet what is our claimed savior, by those castigating conservatism, from our morass???
Why it's better politics and politicians, the very garbage who brought us to our present nadir!!!
LORD HAVE MERCY!!!

 
 

[Right_in_Virginia]

Excuse me but this country was founded upon conservative principles!!! 

Excuse me but this country was founded BY doers ... smart, courageous doers and not whiners.

[roamer_1]

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@Roamer, indeed.
As you realize, it does not take genius to grasp an idea; simply pause and reflection rather than
hustle and noise.
But that is a bridge too far for the predictable ranters, so the result is another endless scrum of
blame and responsibility posts.
Principled Conservatism was and remains first, last and always, an idea as to the attitudes,
behaviors, impulses and sentiments necessary for culture/society to survive and thrive.
Logic allowed Man examine the Natural Law and discern the precepts that would best achieve
that result, permitting the wise ancients to define the moral order of principled conservatism,
which had nothing to do w/economics, politics or religion.
At its core, is the Principle of Prescription which asserts that the precedent of matters agreed
by timeless usage, is eternally superior to any current whim.
Yet what is our claimed savior, from those castigating conservatism, for our morass???
Why it's better politics and politicians, the very garbage who brought us to our present nadir!!!
LORD HAVE MERCY!!!

 
 

@Absalom
It will be of no great surprise that I will largely align in agreement with you.
I can see no reason to support those who, in their ignorance, fail to support the very principles which through all of history have proven to be the engine which lifts people out of poverty and slavery, and are the remedy to every destitution,  having proven over and over and over again to be the same.

And it is of little wonder that the cacophony encompassing the so-called right can be predicted to lead away from that blessing, and therefore lead to its opposite.

[Right_in_Virginia]

The 'new right' is un-conservative in every way, to include temperment. It has no clarity of purpose and 'fights' for nothing. Winning is all and means nothing.

Get over yourself.  The old, toxic conservatives have become a laughingstock; a mere caricature of the patriot they think they are.

Their embrace of "temperment" has them campaigning for Marxists --- and has made them a pox on the body politic.

[roamer_1]

Get over yourself.  The old, toxic conservatives have become a laughingstock; a mere caricature of the patriot they think they are.

Their embrace of "tempement" has them campaigning for Marxists --- and has made them a pox on the body politic.

Foolishness. Conservatives stand for Conservatism, and nothing else. And I do not know a single Conservative who campaigns for Marxists... Marxism as a movement is every bit a bane to conservatism as is yours.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Foolishness. Conservatives stand for Conservatism, and nothing else.

You've become unnecessary background noise.

[roamer_1]

You've become unnecessary background noise.

Truth is often subsumed by cacophony.

[XenaLee]

Get over yourself.  The old, toxic conservatives have become a laughingstock; a mere caricature of the patriot they think they are.

Their embrace of "temperment" has them campaigning for Marxists --- and has made them a pox on the body politic.

I posit that if "they" are now campaigning for Marxists.... they were never true conservatives in the first place.   Conservatives don't change their spots like that (like leftists do).

[XenaLee]

Truth is often subsumed by cacophony.

The difference is... your brand of "cacophony" sung here accomplishes nothing positive for America.   Absolutely nothing.  And some might say it accomplishes just the opposite.   

[XenaLee]

And yeah, here we go again (et tu brute)....lol.