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The conservative case for paid family leave
« on: July 17, 2020, 02:27:49 am »
The conservative case for paid family leave
BY MAGGIE CORDISH, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 07/16/20 06:30 PM EDT  36THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

The nature and course of the viral pandemic in this country continue to evolve, with significant regional surges in places like Texas and Arizona now driving the spread of COVID-19 in the United States. Most public health experts predict the late fall and winter will bring another surge of viral infections and with them the likelihood of government-mandated restrictions, suggesting a protracted cycle of relapse and recovery.

As policymakers consider how to shore up the labor force and support families during this uncertain time, an expanded paid leave policy should rise to the top of consideration, particularly for fiscal hawks hand-wringing over the nation’s ballooning debt.

A meaningful emergency paid leave program is an efficient use of taxpayer dollars and a plausible way to sustain our economy, keep Americans, and most significantly women, attached to the workforce, while protecting them from illness.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/507717-the-conservative-case-for-paid-family-leave
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2020, 02:29:17 am »
"Conservatives" making a case for Socialism.  I thought Trump said we would never be socialist.  But here we have it making a case for socialism using the example of socialist PPP program.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #2 on: July 17, 2020, 02:47:58 am »
"Conservatives" making a case for Socialism.  I thought Trump said we would never be socialist.  But here we have it making a case for socialism using the example of socialist PPP program.

Did you even read the article or are you just reacting to the click-bait headline?
This is a liberals argument for the feds to pay for family leave, NOTHING about the President...

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2020, 02:50:24 am »
Did you even read the article or are you just reacting to the click-bait headline?
This is a liberals argument for the feds to pay for family leave, NOTHING about the President...

Maggie Cordish, MBA, was most recently the policy adviser to White House adviser Ivanka Trump on paid leave and family policy. She is a fellow at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington, DC.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2020, 03:00:48 am »
"Conservatives" making a case for Socialism. 
What were YOU @Chosen Daughter  thinking of, when YOU stated on this very forum you would be okay with socialism just a few months ago?

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2020, 03:02:15 am »
Did you even read the article or are you just reacting to the click-bait headline?
This is a liberals argument for the feds to pay for family leave, NOTHING about the President...

This is an op/ed piece anyways
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2020, 03:03:56 am »
What were YOU @Chosen Daughter  thinking of, when YOU stated on this very forum you would be okay with socialism just a few months ago?

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2020, 03:09:52 am »
What were YOU @Chosen Daughter  thinking of, when YOU stated on this very forum you would be okay with socialism just a few months ago?

I never said I would be OK with it.  I know myself and I do not support Socialism.  I said it is coming, and realistically they are going to continue moving in that direction.  All of the public schools teach it.  All of the private colleges push Socialism, but Communism even more.  And its obvious that it doesn't matter what candidate your going to get socialism.  What do you think PPP is?  Don't let a good pandemic go to waste. 

Ivanka has been pushing socialism the entire time.
AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2020, 03:11:39 am »
What were YOU @Chosen Daughter  thinking of, when YOU stated on this very forum you would be okay with socialism just a few months ago?

And you're OK with it.  You are still supporting Socialist Trump.

America's scarily sharp COVID-19 turn toward socialism

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/may/16/americas-scarily-sharp-covid-19-turn-toward-social/

We’re All Socialists Now in the New Coronavirus Reality
Overnight, America became a nation of New Deal Democrats. Will that change the way we feel about the government?

At a press conference back in 1986, President Ronald Reagan famously declared “The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I’m from the government, and I’m here to help,’” setting into motion the austere neoliberal in-free-markets-we-trust, get-a-job-you-bum zeitgeist that held sway for the next 34 years. That is until the COVID-19 pandemic finally breached the walls of fortress America and quickly metastasized into a full-blown national epidemic that, worst case scenario, could kill 2.2. million Americans and inflict untold and unprecedented financial pain and suffering on hundreds of millions more.

Overnight we became one nation under quarantine, cowering in our sweatpants while staring into the abyss, praying that disease can’t pick the locks of our pitiful wash-your-hands-and-hide safeguards, instantly crash the stock market and send the American economy into a death spiral that could make The Great Depression look like an ice cream social. (Consider this: In 1933, at the height of the Great Depression, unemployment peaked at 24 percent. But it took four years of economic collapse for the unemployment rate to reach one-in-four-Americans depths. This week a Federal Reserve Bank president predicted that we could be at 30 percent unemployment in a matter of weeks, if not sooner.)

For the first time in my 54 years on this Earth, I wake up every day with a very rational fear of impending societal collapse, that this could all go Mad Max in the blink of an eye. It really all depends on what the federal government does next. If they don’t get their shit together and sign into law the stimulus package currently on the table and instantly pump at least two trillion dollars into the economy, much of it directly into the pockets of once-working Americans (which is prudent fiscal policy given that consumer spending accounted for about 70 percent of our economy’s growth last year), we’re staring down a deep doomsday depression.

https://www.phillymag.com/news/2020/03/26/coronavirus-stimulus-package-socialism/

Is Trump a Socialist?

https://jamesaltucher.com/blog/is-donald-trump-a-socialist/

https://mises.org/power-market/trumps-road-socialism

Donald Trump is a 'sometimes socialist'
BY GLENN C. ALTSCHULER, OPINION CONTRIBUTOR — 09/09/19 10:00 AM EDT  377THE VIEWS EXPRESSED BY CONTRIBUTORS ARE THEIR OWN AND NOT THE VIEW OF THE HILL

Donald Trump is a 'sometimes socialist'
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“America was founded on liberty and independence, and not government coercion, domination, and control,” President Donald Trump declared in his 2019 State of the Union address. “Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country.” That same week, after asserting, falsely, that every candidate for the Democratic nomination for president “is embracing” socialism, the Trump re-election campaign predicted that “the American people will reject an agenda of sky-high taxes, government-run health care and coddling dictators.”

Trump knows, of course, that the S-word is a perennial bogeyman in American politics. And so, it may be instructive to revisit the evidence that (according to his own definition) Trump himself is a sometimes socialist.

Reacting last month to a new round of tariffs imposed by China on U.S. goods, President Trump tweeted, “Our great American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to China, including bringing your companies HOME…”  As trade experts debated whether the president has the authority to compel businesses to cease doing work with their employees and contract partners, Oliver Hart, a Nobel Laureate in economics, told Fox Business Network that the order was “more like something, you know, made by President Xi,” to which companies in a socialist country would have to comply.

https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/460421-donald-trump-is-a-sometimes-socialist
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2020, 03:25:33 am »
I never said I would be OK with it. 

You cannot even remember what you said. You are flapping your mouth at such a fevered, manic scatterbrained rate of speed.

I'm not taking the time to look up you said. Others here remember it.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2020, 03:42:34 am »

You cannot even remember what you said. You are flapping your mouth at such a fevered, manic scatterbrained rate of speed.

I'm not taking the time to look up you said. Others here remember it.

OK, bring it.  I am sure it wasn't that I am OK with it.  I don't remember but I am no Socialist.

You should read this:

https://www.heritage.org/progressivism/commentary/what-americans-must-know-about-socialism

I think I remember something that probably had something to do with either vote for Trump or you are voting for Socialism.  I stated the obvious that this country has been prepping our youth for a Socialist country.  If you want to go away from Socialism head way away from Trump.  Voting for Trump is voting for socialism.  Maybe lighter version than Bernie or Biden, but never the less Socialism.   The new thing with "Republicans" is to call people purists.  Well I would rather be purist than on the slow road to socialism.  So I wasn't voting for Trump and my comment was whatever will be will be. 

If that was the comment.  And you know its true.  Republicans have done nothing, NOTHING to stop the Social Engineering in our schools to prep the new generation to accept socialism, even desire it.  Don't blame me.

And remember the next time you try and trash me that you are the one supporting liberalism and I am a Conservative Purist.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2020/04/15/trump-turns-socialist-embraces-big-government-coronavirus-column/2983135001/

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Commentary: Trump is the true socialist

https://www.chicagotribune.com/opinion/commentary/ct-opinion-trump-republicans-socialism-rampell-20190727-llpa35cafrbfzcmil3gh6w3npm-story.html

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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2020, 05:29:11 am »

Fill in Blank is an efficient use of taxpayer dollars and a plausible way to sustain our economy.



Have utterly heard this shit 10,000 times in the past 30 years.  When I hear the terms "efficient" and "use taxpayer dollars" in the same sentence, pull out the facepalms.  How about lets cut taxes 90%, then work back with a bare bones budget additons of absolute 100% essentials like Defense, Treasury, and State.  95% of everything else like has redundancies with existing state and local guidelines, rules, statutes, and regulations.  Fedzilla must die.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2020, 02:30:06 pm »
Have utterly heard this shit 10,000 times in the past 30 years.  When I hear the terms "efficient" and "use taxpayer dollars" in the same sentence, pull out the facepalms.  How about lets cut taxes 90%, then work back with a bare bones budget additons of absolute 100% essentials like Defense, Treasury, and State.  95% of everything else like has redundancies with existing state and local guidelines, rules, statutes, and regulations.  Fedzilla must die.

Totally agree.  People criticize me and say I am for socialism.  Trump has been building a road to socialism his entire time in office.  The PPP is a big socialist spending spree.  Just because much of the socialism went to rich people doesn't make it any less socialist.  And he gives the workers a stimulus and makes sure his name is on the checks so people know.  This government has been giving millions to rich corporations, even Kanye West who had plenty to give away to BLM.  It was a Socialist wet dream.  If were going to have socialism for the rich why not the people?  When you see millions going out to companies that didn't need it free college doesn't seem so out there.   Don't get me wrong because that isn't what I want.  What we should have been doing is getting people back to work.  Sweden did it and they are fine.

Who didn't prosper in PPP.  The medical workers and people who have been employed for the entire time.  They didn't get an extra socialist $600 dollars a week to sit on their butts.  They didn't get payouts from PPP and their companies to make sure money was spent on payroll to get their free government giveaways.

The trade is another example of socialism.  Trade deals that leave farmers giving their goods away and getting welfare from the state instead.

We either reject socialism as a whole or don't.  If the Republican party doesn't think that the "workers" haven't notice that this government gives to the rich and screws the worker they are crazy.  Trump can fire his campaign person and hire all kinds of people but he has been a utter failure.
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2020, 02:32:10 pm »
There is no legitimate Conservative "case" for supporting or putting into place a Socialist/Progressive policy like this.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2020, 08:11:30 pm »
Maggie Cordish, MBA, was most recently the policy adviser to White House adviser Ivanka Trump on paid leave and family policy. She is a fellow at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington, DC.

Sorry, not buying your guilt by association.

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2020, 03:25:13 am »
Sorry, not buying your guilt by association.



Guilt by association?  Either you are playing clueless or you are clueless.  Family Leave belongs to Ivanka

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ivanka-trump-paid-family-leave-is-an-investment-in-americas-families-it-deserves-bipartisan-support

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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2020, 01:40:52 pm »
Guilt by association?  Either you are playing clueless or you are clueless.  Family Leave belongs to Ivanka

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/ivanka-trump-paid-family-leave-is-an-investment-in-americas-families-it-deserves-bipartisan-support

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2020, 05:42:18 pm »
Call me things if you must, but I almost never buy whatever it is you're selling.


I'm not listening.  La, la, la, la, la.  Its too hard to admit that Ivanka Trump is a socialist trying to sell us down Socialism road.  Isn't it crazy that a Republican Conference was held where they condemned socialism.  Then Donald signs the biggest Socialist piece of legislation ever?
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2020, 05:56:16 pm »
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The conservative case for paid family leave

Maggie Cordish is not a Conservative.  Thus, by definition, her argument cannot possibly be the Conservative.  Also, the concept of "paid family leave" is equally non-Conservative.  Thus wrong on two counts.  Not sure the point of posting such a false portrayal of Conservatism on this board.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2020, 05:57:34 pm »
Maggie Cordish, MBA, was most recently the policy adviser to White House adviser Ivanka Trump on paid leave and family policy. She is a fellow at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Washington, DC.

In other words, she recently worked for a Democrat.  Got it.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2020, 06:00:41 pm »
In other words, she recently worked for a Democrat.  Got it.

And again it is Ivanka Trumps personal agenda.  Family leave.  Are you saying Ivanka Trump isn't Conservative?  I agree.
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« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2020, 06:13:01 pm »
Are you saying Ivanka Trump isn't Conservative?

Well, she's a Democrat, so .  .  .

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2020, 06:27:00 pm »
   Yall are heartless to blame this on Trump, it's not him it's his Daughter.   *****rollingeyes*****
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« Reply #23 on: July 18, 2020, 06:42:01 pm »
   Yall are heartless to blame this on Trump, it's not him it's his Daughter.   *****rollingeyes*****

It is simply astonishing to me how CD can take an editorial hit piece written by a go along liberal who fabricated a misleading headline and turn it about Trump....

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