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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2020, 06:51:58 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on July 18, 2020, 06:44:03 pm
Somebody with even half an adults' brain, and not suffering from TDS, could grasp that.

And anybody with integrity could recognize that and openly acknowledge it.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #26 on: July 18, 2020, 06:51:59 pm »
   She's very good at that, her Thread's ALWAYS get hits and that's a good thing for TBR.  I just blame the Trumpers and go on with my day, she apparently enjoys the battle, evermore, and is very opinionated.       ~      see what yall have created @EdinVA    :beer:
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #27 on: July 18, 2020, 06:56:33 pm »
Quote from: EdinVA on July 18, 2020, 06:42:01 pm
It is simply astonishing to me how CD can take an editorial hit piece written by a go along liberal who fabricated a misleading headline and turn it about Trump....

I'm good at what I do.  Only because you don't look to find the hypocrisy in things.  I am a Conservative that thinks Conservatives shouldn't be hypocrites.  I can't help it if liberals notice too that he is acting like them.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2020, 06:57:52 pm »
Quote from: corbe on July 18, 2020, 06:51:59 pm
   She's very good at that, her Thread's ALWAYS get hits and that's a good thing for TBR.  I just blame the Trumpers and go on with my day, she apparently enjoys the battle, evermore, and is very opinionated.       ~      see what yall have created @EdinVA    :beer:

Just trying to hold Conservatives to Conservative principle's.  wink777   :beer:
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2020, 07:02:41 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 18, 2020, 06:56:33 pm
I'm good at what I do.  Only because you don't look to find the hypocrisy in things.  I am a Conservative that thinks Conservatives shouldn't be hypocrites.  I can't help it if liberals notice too that he is acting like them.

Well, hate to tell you but that it the height of hypocrisy... Slamming the Trumps with a liberal piece, written by a liberal, on a liberal topic.  The only thing conservative in that piece is the word conservative in the title.  And you claim to be good at what you do?
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2020, 07:11:53 pm »
    Ivanka (and Jared) have been behind all this Liberal BS since Day 1.  That's why he fired Reince and brought in Gen. Kelly, he couldn't navigate the stormy Trump Family sea either.  Just wait till Season 2, if he's not cancelled this fall.  @EdinVA 
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2020, 07:35:24 pm »
Quote from: corbe on July 18, 2020, 07:11:53 pm
    Ivanka (and Jared) have been behind all this Liberal BS since Day 1.  That's why he fired Reince and brought in Gen. Kelly, he couldn't navigate the stormy Trump Family sea either.  Just wait till Season 2, if he's not cancelled this fall.  @EdinVA

The problem is, that "conservatives" have gotten as bad as the liberals, my way or the highway.  As much as I disagree at times with Trump (and his family) he (they) is not evil people and in a representative government ALL proposals need to be heard not matter how much we may disagree.  Just because a person, Ivanka for example, makes a proposal for family leave does not give the rest the right to persecute her to impunity for thinking it... That is what antifa and BLM does..
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #32 on: July 18, 2020, 07:45:28 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 18, 2020, 06:56:33 pm
I'm good at what I do.  Only because you don't look to find the hypocrisy in things.  I am a Conservative that thinks Conservatives shouldn't be hypocrites.  I can't help it if liberals notice too that he is acting like them.

Who is "he"?
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #33 on: July 18, 2020, 07:56:23 pm »
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #34 on: July 18, 2020, 08:00:55 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 18, 2020, 07:56:23 pm
Trump.

You mean President Trump?  He is not mentioned in the op-ed.  Not a single time.  This piece has absolutely positively nothing to do with him.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2020, 08:06:10 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 18, 2020, 08:00:55 pm
You mean President Trump?  He is not mentioned in the op-ed.  Not a single time.  This piece has absolutely positively nothing to do with him.

Ivanka is Donald Trumps Advisor and paid Family Leave is her Socialist agenda.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2020, 08:06:45 pm »
There is no "conservative" argument to be made to expand the federal government where it isn't constitutionally authorized to go.

Period.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2020, 08:09:10 pm »
Quote from: EdinVA on July 18, 2020, 07:35:24 pm
The problem is, that "conservatives" have gotten as bad as the liberals, my way or the highway.  As much as I disagree at times with Trump (and his family) he (they) is not evil people and in a representative government ALL proposals need to be heard not matter how much we may disagree.  Just because a person, Ivanka for example, makes a proposal for family leave does not give the rest the right to persecute her to impunity for thinking it... That is what antifa and BLM does..

   Sorry to disappoint @EdinVA but she's no different than that Bi1ch hellary (her BFF), in my book.

   I am not forgetting her BS with reforming Jail sentencing, just last year.
   She along with her policies are poison to the President.
   Of course his base (which ain't enough to get reelected) will eat anything they throw out. 

   As much as I wanted to believe what Trumpers said 'We'll hold his feet to the Fire' that has all come apart and gone sideways. 

   Anybody, Rubio or even Kasich could have beat hellary in 2016, she was hated that much, and not struggled against 'Sloppy Joe' 4 years later.

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2020, 08:17:51 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 18, 2020, 08:06:10 pm
Ivanka is Donald Trumps Advisor and paid Family Leave is her Socialist agenda.

Ivanka is not Donald Trump.

(See Logical Fallacies:  Guilt by Association)
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2020, 08:38:36 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 18, 2020, 08:17:51 pm
Ivanka is not Donald Trump.

(See Logical Fallacies:  Guilt by Association)

Donald Trump is Ivanka?
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #41 on: July 18, 2020, 08:51:53 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 18, 2020, 08:38:36 pm
Donald Trump is Ivanka?

Not only is the logical disconnect startling, your inability to accept the simple truth that this op-ed has nothing to do with Donald Trump is equally amazing.

It is precisely because of this type of dishonest narrative that I will be voting for Trump in November.  Is he Conservative?  No.  Is he my choice?  No.  But the fact that he is continuously bombarded with dishonest smears such as yours makes me want to defend the guy.  Because as a Conservative, the trait I value more than any other is 'truth'.  And I am sick and tired of the lies that you peddle.

I would have gladly given my vote to 'third party' this November.  But after listening to three years of the dishonest BS from Trump haters like you, the only way I see to defend the 'truth' I hold so dear is to cast my ballot for underdog Trump.  Thank you for bringing me to that point here.  I am not alone.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #42 on: July 18, 2020, 09:02:18 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 18, 2020, 08:17:51 pm
Ivanka is not Donald Trump.

(See Logical Fallacies:  Guilt by Association)

The original  article was not written by Ivanka Trump.

It was posted to give our TDS member, for her daily anti-Trump reason to outpost others by 3-4 times, for a day or more.

To take over the joint, run the joint. To tell us she is okay with socialism one time, but tell a different thing another.

To get a whole lot of attention, period.



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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #43 on: July 18, 2020, 09:09:00 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on July 18, 2020, 09:02:18 pm
The original  article was not written by Ivanka Trump.

It was posted to give our TDS member, for her daily anti-Trump reason to outpost others by 3-4 times, for a day or more.

To take over the joint, run the joint. To tell us she is okay with socialism one time, but tell a different thing another.

To get a whole lot of attention, period.

That would take effort and I think you are too lazy to stand up for what you say you believe.

Didn't you do this on TOS too?  I think I remember someone saying that.  You think you can run people off that you don't like.  I never was at TOS, but your entire contribution lately is about getting rid of me.  If you don't like what I say then rebut it.  Prove me wrong.   Add something to this community.

I doubt that you can or will because it would take effort to stand up for what, or whatever you believe.  Who knows what because you never say.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #44 on: July 18, 2020, 09:41:04 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 18, 2020, 09:09:00 pm
I never was at TOS, but your entire contribution lately is about getting rid of me.

Not you.  Just your lies.


Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 18, 2020, 09:09:00 pm
If you don't like what I say then rebut it.  Prove me wrong.

Already done.  Repeatedly.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2020, 09:44:23 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 18, 2020, 09:41:04 pm
Not you.  Just your lies.


Already done.  Repeatedly.

Well there you go.  You rebutted and that is what everyone should do.  Now people can actually comment on your contributions.  Good job!
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #46 on: July 18, 2020, 09:51:12 pm »
Quote from: Chosen Daughter on July 18, 2020, 09:44:23 pm
Well there you go.  You rebutted and that is what everyone should do.  Now people can actually comment on your contributions.  Good job!

This is exactly what @truth_seeker did right before you falsely accused him of wanting to run you off and falsely stating that his entire contribution lately has been about getting rid of you.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #47 on: July 18, 2020, 09:53:31 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 18, 2020, 08:00:55 pm
You mean President Trump?  He is not mentioned in the op-ed.  Not a single time.  This piece has absolutely positively nothing to do with him.

Rhetoric aside, the Kushners are Liberal Plants in the WH, and I wish POTUS would wake up to that fact.
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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #48 on: July 18, 2020, 09:54:45 pm »
Quote from: corbe on July 18, 2020, 06:27:00 pm
   Yall are heartless to blame this on Trump, it's not him it's his Daughter.   *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: The conservative case for paid family leave
« Reply #49 on: July 18, 2020, 09:58:45 pm »
Quote from: Hoodat on July 18, 2020, 08:51:53 pm
Not only is the logical disconnect startling, your inability to accept the simple truth that this op-ed has nothing to do with Donald Trump is equally amazing.

It is precisely because of this type of dishonest narrative that I will be voting for Trump in November.  Is he Conservative?  No.  Is he my choice?  No.  But the fact that he is continuously bombarded with dishonest smears such as yours makes me want to defend the guy.  Because as a Conservative, the trait I value more than any other is 'truth'.  And I am sick and tired of the lies that you peddle.

I would have gladly given my vote to 'third party' this November.  But after listening to three years of the dishonest BS from Trump haters like you, the only way I see to defend the 'truth' I hold so dear is to cast my ballot for underdog Trump.  Thank you for bringing me to that point here.  I am not alone.

It's no secret that I've not been a Trump supporter, but it didn't take long for me to see the continual mud slinging and obstruction from the left towards Trump.  He's done some really good things which I have given him credit and I think he did well on his response to COVID. I was going to vote for him in November without hesitation.  What a difference a month makes -- he announced that he was going to give DACA recipients a roadway to citizenship.  IF he does, I'm just not so sure that I'd have reason to vote for him.  Yes I understand the SCOTUS (thank you traitor Roberts) ruled against him with DACA, but a pathway to citizenship is wrong on so many levels and it will undoubtedly hand over votes to the DEMS eventually making it mathematically impossible for the GOP to win a seat, let alone capture the oval office.  He will be in essence giving his supporters and voting base the middle finger.  Definitely doesn't sit well with me. 
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