Author Topic: Opinion Biden Should Not Debate Trump Unless …By Thomas L. Friedman  (Read 382 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline mystery-ak

  • Owner
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 384,682
  • Let's Go Brandon!

nytimes.com
Opinion | Biden Should Not Debate Trump Unless …
By Thomas L. Friedman

Here are two conditions the Democrat should set.

I worry about Joe Biden debating Donald Trump. He should do it only under two conditions. Otherwise, he’s giving Trump unfair advantages.

First, Biden should declare that he will take part in a debate only if Trump releases his tax returns for 2016 through 2018. Biden has already done so, and they are on his website. Trump must, too. No more gifting Trump something he can attack while hiding his own questionable finances.

And second, Biden should insist that a real-time fact-checking team approved by both candidates be hired by the nonpartisan Commission on Presidential Debates — and that 10 minutes before the scheduled conclusion of the debate this team report on any misleading statements, phony numbers or outright lies either candidate had uttered. That way no one in that massive television audience can go away easily misled.

Debates always have ground rules. Why can’t telling the truth and equal transparency on taxes be conditions for this one?

more
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/07/opinion/biden-trump-debate.html
Proud Supporter of Tunnel to Towers
Support the USO
Democrat Party...the Party of Infanticide

“Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.”
-Matthew 6:34

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 80,478
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
Debates always have ground rules. Why can’t telling the truth and equal transparency on taxes be conditions for this one?

"Truth over facts!"
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline PeteS in CA

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 19,377
Trump's tax returns are irrelevant.

Joe doesn't have have enough intelligence and honesty to avoid stupid whoppers like claiming that Trump did little or nothing about the coronavirus for two months. But if Joe wants to hand Trump four months of calling out Joe's lack of courage, honesty, and intelligence plus a few "Empty Chair" campaign ads ....
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 80,478
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
Trump's tax returns are irrelevant.

Joe doesn't have have enough intelligence and honesty to avoid stupid whoppers like claiming that Trump did little or nothing about the coronavirus for two months. But if Joe wants to hand Trump four months of calling out Joe's lack of courage, honesty, and intelligence plus a few "Empty Chair" campaign ads ....

Friedman's mistake is actually believing the polls that say Sloe Joe is miles out in front of Trump in votes.  Almost everybody else in the business knows better than that, and Tucker is correct to point out that Friedman is an ungifted idiot.
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline Fishrrman

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 35,786
  • Gender: Male
  • Dumbest member of the forum
I'm amazed that those who have replied fail to understand what this piece is really about. This includes PeteS and Cyber.

The left is laying the groundwork for pulling the rug out from under "the debates" by setting up all sorts of conditions that Mr. Trump cannot and will not meet.

Hence, when the debates fail to occur, it will be "Trump's fault" for having been so narrow-minded and unwilling to comply.

Remember, folks:
The issue is never the issue.
The issue is... the revolution.

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 80,478
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
I'm amazed that those who have replied fail to understand what this piece is really about. This includes PeteS and Cyber.

The left is laying the groundwork for pulling the rug out from under "the debates" by setting up all sorts of conditions that Mr. Trump cannot and will not meet.

Hence, when the debates fail to occur, it will be "Trump's fault" for having been so narrow-minded and unwilling to comply.

Remember, folks:
The issue is never the issue.
The issue is... the revolution.

It's not a failure to understand, Fisshr, it's a desire to not belabor the obvious by discussing what's already patently obvious to even the most casual of TBR observer.
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed:

Offline Victoria33

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7,457
  • Gender: Female
If Biden would do this, have Trump agree to these two conditions or no debates, Biden gets out of the debates.

1.  Trump must hand over his income tax returns or no debates.
2.  Trump must agree to have certain people, agreed to by both, who will check the truth of information given by both men at the debate and this report given in the last ten minutes of each debate.  Trump must agree, or no debates.

Trump will not agree to either condition, so no debates.  Advantage, Biden.

Offline The_Reader_David

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2,323
The problem is, there are enough Biden gaffes, some of incomprehensible levels of stupidity, others which are clear evidence of senility, already recorded on video, that a refusal to debate will trigger a deluge of Trump adds running them non-stop with "It's obvious why slow Joe Biden won't debate me," as a Trump-voiced tag-line.  He almost has to debate. 

As for condition (2) Friedman proposed, I'm not sure who it would hit harder, that is if one got a genuinely non-partisan fact-checking mechanism, for which I would suggest Biden gets to nominate one fact-checker from a left-of-center think-tank (e.g. The Brookings Institution), and one from the editorial board of a notable left-of-center journal of opinion (e.g. The New Republic, The Nation or Mother Jones, depending on how far left he wants to tilt), and Trump gets to nominate a fact-checker from a right-of-center think-tank (e.g.  The Heritage Foundation) and one from the editorial board of a notable right-of-center journal of opinion (e.g. National Review or The American Spectator).
And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know what this was all about.

Offline Cyber Liberty

  • Coffee! Donuts! Kittens!
  • Administrator
  • ******
  • Posts: 80,478
  • Gender: Male
  • 🌵🌵🌵
If Biden would do this, have Trump agree to these two conditions or no debates, Biden gets out of the debates.

1.  Trump must hand over his income tax returns or no debates.
2.  Trump must agree to have certain people, agreed to by both, who will check the truth of information given by both men at the debate and this report given in the last ten minutes of each debate.  Trump must agree, or no debates.

Trump will not agree to either condition, so no debates.  Advantage, Biden.

Neither of those two "demands" can be given in to.  Especially the "instant fact check."  Even you, a confirmed Trump despiser, can understand why #2 is absolutely impossible, because the "independent" fact checkers are all on record as saying Trump lies about everything, including the color of the sky, even if they have to distort facts to do it.  Candy Crowley pulled that shit on Romney in a debate, whereupon he promptly folded like a cheap suit.

I would hardly call Trump's refusal to play that game as a "Biden win."
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
I will NOT comply.
 
Castillo del Cyber Autonomous Zone ~~~~~>                          :dontfeed: