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And let us guess..., you're the 'Shepherd'?     *****rollingeyes*****

As always, another useless drive-by poo-throwing. I guess you have to do what you're good at.

No,'People are sheep,' so the tendency would be for the PTB is to use polling to manipulate them, early on, while they can, without jeopardizing their claims of accuracy... Right NOW, they don't need to be accurate. in the last few weeks they do.

I guess next time I will write all that right from the get-go. I just figured that most folks could get there on their own. But thank you for proving my point.

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An aside - I once heard the vote margin of support Hillary Clinton received over Trump can be easily accounted for by the difference in registered vs actual voters in California and New York alone.

There are liars, damn liars, and statistics... Which makes about anything possible...

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As always, another useless drive-by poo-throwing. I guess you have to do what you're good at.

No,'People are sheep,' so the tendency would be for the PTB is to use polling to manipulate them, early on, while they can, without jeopardizing their claims of accuracy... Right NOW, they don't need to be accurate. in the last few weeks they do.

I guess next time I will write all that right from the get-go. I just figured that most folks could get there on their own. But thank you for proving my point.

Wasn't a "driveby".   ALL polls are full of sh*t.  Doesn't matter when they're taken.

Tell us what the polls were at 6PM EST on Election Day, November the 8th, 2016.   
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Wasn't a "driveby".   ALL polls are full of sh*t.  Doesn't matter when they're taken.

Tell us what the polls were at 6PM EST on Election Day, November the 8th, 2016.

That was the point of the conversation - In which I was agreeing with @Cyber Liberty . As I recall, the polls close to the election were reasonably accurate - Their projections resembling the popular vote.

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And let us guess..., you're the 'Shepherd'?     *****rollingeyes*****

Stop the personal stuff @DCPatriot!

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..Trump has failed to even try to flesh out a second term agenda   

Apparently you missed the speeches at Mt. Rushmore and at DC.
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Apparently you missed the speeches at Mt. Rushmore and at DC.

What did he say at Mt. Rushmore about a legislative agenda?
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What did he say at Mt. Rushmore about a legislative agenda?

Was that the place or time?  You and your friends would be the first to jump his ass if he did that.
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Polls are merely tools.  And as for their predictive utility, garbage in, garbage out.   And not all polls are commissioned for predictability,  but for furthering an agenda.

Bottom line is that, like investments, us folks need to steer towards diversification.  Look at trends not individual polls, look at what polls say on average.

I think the polls portend very bad news for the President.   Better to get that shot of reality sooner rather than later.

But it all may not matter.  We seem to be at the mercy now of larger forces.   This election may lance the boil.  We may need to play the long game.
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Wasn't a "driveby".   ALL polls are full of sh*t.  Doesn't matter when they're taken.

Tell us what the polls were at 6PM EST on Election Day, November the 8th, 2016.


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Was that the place or time?  You and your friends would be the first to jump his ass if he did that.

Stop the personal stuff @Cyber Liberty     :laugh:

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Stop the personal stuff @Cyber Liberty     :laugh:

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Ah couldn't hep it.  I was bouurne with a silver foot in mah mouf!   :laugh: :police:
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Ah couldn't hep it.  I was bouurne with a silver foot in mah mouf!   :laugh: :police:

LOL!

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Was that the place or time?  You and your friends would be the first to jump his ass if he did that.

I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt.  Rushmore.

You may feel free to answer my question too.  Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates.   If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time,  and bloviate without restraint,  he is hurting the party,  and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.






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I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt.  Rushmore.

You may feel free to answer my question too.  Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates.   If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time,  and bloviate without restraint,  he is hurting the party,  and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.

Oh good grief @Jazzhead give it a rest.  He's not stepping down (unless for unforseen health reasons), no does the party have anyone viable to replace him, nor is there anyone challenging him.  Pence would get eaten alive and they would soon have him marching in line with their requests. He hasn't hurt the party, the party was crap before he took office -- too many RINO's.

As for the Mount Rushmore speech, you might want to listen again -- I think he made himself crystal clear:


www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXD4zPY4Ai0
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I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt.  Rushmore.

You may feel free to answer my question too.  Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates.   If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time,  and bloviate without restraint,  he is hurting the party,  and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.

Was there a question?  Was it "How can I best slash the throat of conservatism?"  I have no answers to your question.
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Oh good grief @Jazzhead give it a rest.  He's not stepping down (unless for unforseen health reasons), no does the party have anyone viable to replace him, nor is there anyone challenging him.  Pence would get eaten alive and they would soon have him marching in line with their requests. He hasn't hurt the party, the party was crap before he took office -- too many RINO's.

I think somebody has a high-schooler's grasp of civics, but extraordinarily little in further schooling of politics.  I wonder how much he liked Arlen Specter?
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I think somebody has a high-schooler's grasp of civics, but extraordinarily little in further schooling of politics.  I wonder how much he liked Arlen Specter?

Here in Pennsy we have a great Senator in Pat Toomey.   And Trump's candidacy likely helped him gain re-election. 

Trump must be mindful that job one,  from the party's perspective,  is to keep the Senate.  If he disagrees, then he should step down as the party's candidate.   

But why should he disagree?   A victory in the Senate has a high correlation with victory in the White House. 

Simply put,  conservatives will be in worse shape if we lose the Senate than if we lose the Presidency.
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Ah couldn't hep it.  I was bouurne with a silver foot in mah mouf!   :laugh: :police:

Technically that was not personal... 'You and yours' is 'all y'all' and refers to a group, not a person, so...

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I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt.  Rushmore.

You may feel free to answer my question too.  Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates.   If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time,  and bloviate without restraint,  he is hurting the party,  and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.


Totally disagree with everything you wrote.   You want him to kiss azz....to all the RINO'S.....
Then such disrespect to my president.  Why?  You want to critique him?  lol.  WWW.MAGAPILL.COM

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Here in Pennsy we have a great Senator in Pat Toomey.   And Trump's candidacy likely helped him gain re-election. 

Trump must be mindful that job one,  from the party's perspective,  is to keep the Senate.  If he disagrees, then he should step down as the party's candidate.   

But why should he disagree?   A victory in the Senate has a high correlation with victory in the White House. 

Simply put,  conservatives will be in worse shape if we lose the Senate than if we lose the Presidency.

Pat Tomey?  That is another RINO as bad as Romney.  THE DIRTY DOZEN all need to be removed from office. They are not for America's.  And it was unethical  what they did! 

The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP for NATIONAL EMERGENCY ON BORDER;
. (We had caravans coming in!).
 Roger Wicker of Mississippi,

Marco Rubio of Florida,
 Rob Portman of Ohio,
 Susan Collins of Maine,
 Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
               Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
 Roy Blunt of Missouri,
 Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
 Mitt Romney of Utah,
 Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.

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I was responding to the snarky charge that my complaint about the lack of a Trump 2T agenda to help Senate candidates suggests that I hadn't heard Mt.  Rushmore.

You may feel free to answer my question too.  Trump needs to work with and support GOP Congressional candidates.   If he is going to go off half- cocked most of the time,  and bloviate without restraint,  he is hurting the party,  and it is up to the party to tell him it's time to pass the baton.


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Pat Tomey?  That is another RINO as bad as Romney.  THE DIRTY DOZEN all need to be removed from office. They are not for America's.  And it was unethical  what they did! 

The 12 Senate Republicans who voted AGAINST PRESIDENT TRUMP for NATIONAL EMERGENCY ON BORDER;
. (We had caravans coming in!).

 Roger Wicker of Mississippi,

Marco Rubio of Florida,
 Rob Portman of Ohio,
 Susan Collins of Maine,
 Lisa Murkowski of Alaska,
               Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania,
 Roy Blunt of Missouri,
 Lamar Alexander of Tennessee,
 Mitt Romney of Utah,
 Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jerry Moran of Kansas
and Mike Lee of Utah.


One Republican senators statement. 

"I don't disagree as to the wisdom of such a law...but lets fully acknowledge that it IS the law that the President is adhering to.
 It is deeply unethical and anti-conservative for any GOP Senator to oppose the President when he is defending our southern border BY following the law as written."

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One Republican senators statement. 

"I don't disagree as to the wisdom of such a law...but lets fully acknowledge that it IS the law that the President is adhering to.
 It is deeply unethical and anti-conservative for any GOP Senator to oppose the President when he is defending our southern border BY following the law as written."

Trump is replacing portions of fence:

SAN DIEGO, California — The Trump administration has not installed a single mile of new wall in a previously fenceless part of the U.S.-Mexico border in the 30 months since President Trump assumed office, despite his campaign promise to construct a “big beautiful wall.”

In a statement last week, U.S. Customs and Border Protection, the federal agency overseeing border barrier construction, confirmed that all the fencing completed since Trump took office is "in place of dilapidated designs" because the existing fence was in need of replacement.

The agency said that it had built 51 miles of steel bollard fence with funding that was set aside during fiscal 2017 and 2018. But while the funding was meant both to replace outdated walls and to place barriers where there previously had been none, the government has only completed the replacement projects. The projects to secure areas with no fence are still in the works.

The 50 miles of completed replacement barrier is a 10-mile gain since early April. In Trump’s two and a half years in office, his administration has installed an average 1.7 miles of barrier per month, and none of it in areas that did not previously have some sort of barrier. A total 205 miles of new and replacement barrier has been funded in the two and a half years since Trump took office.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-has-not-built-a-single-mile-of-new-border-fence-after-30-months-in-office

Not some grandioso Border wall.  Its bollard fencing.  Taller than the other bollard fencing.
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Not some grandioso Border wall.  Its bollard fencing.  Taller than the other bollard fencing.

I'm sorry the border barrier does not meet your exacting technical specifications.  From where did you obtain your BS Degree in Civil Engineering? 
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