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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #25 on: June 19, 2020, 05:20:31 pm »
Yeah, it will be a continuing onslaught of attacks. 

Can you think of 'any' politician that could have taken all of this BS from the left as well as he has handled it (unfettered tweeting nothwithstanding...lol)?   I can't imagine anyone (else) holding up that well.   Truly the man chosen for 'this' time in history. I see that clearly now.

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When I said it 2-3 years ago they laughed at me. A lot of eyes have opened since then, including many blacks, and that will make the difference in Trump’s re-election.

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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #26 on: June 19, 2020, 05:42:24 pm »
Urban against the rest of us.

It will be no contest as we can starve them out.

90% of civil war victors win based on weaponry and tactical advantages.  In a U.S  urban vs non-urban one fought at the fringes?  Thugs lose miserably. 
I display the Confederate Battle Flag in honor of my great great great grandfathers who spilled blood at Wilson's Creek and Shiloh.  5 others served in the WBTS with honor too.

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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #27 on: June 19, 2020, 06:16:39 pm »
I cannot imagine anyone in any role withstanding the raw hatred and nonstop attacks he has. I wonder if it’s even possible to do for eight years.

Methinks we'll get a chance to find out....  God willing.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #28 on: June 19, 2020, 06:20:32 pm »
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When I said it 2-3 years ago they laughed at me. A lot of eyes have opened since then, including many blacks, and that will make the difference in Trump’s re-election.

Better late than never (my mantra since I'm a procrastinating Sagittarius...lol). 

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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #29 on: June 19, 2020, 06:22:03 pm »
I cannot imagine anyone in any role withstanding the raw hatred and nonstop attacks he has. I wonder if it’s even possible to do for eight years.

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For me,no. For Trump,piece of cake. He LOVES this stuff. Getting the other guy to lose his cool and not pay attention to the details is his business model,and has always been his business model because he understands that people who lose their cool make mistakes.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #30 on: June 19, 2020, 06:28:50 pm »
:beer:

When I said it 2-3 years ago they laughed at me. A lot of eyes have opened since then, including many blacks, and that will make the difference in Trump’s re-election.

@aligncare

I could be wrong,but I strongly suspect the only blacks that are going to riot and start fights are the so-called "Urban blacks",and maybe some of the teenage suburban blacks.

I see the rest of the blacks either sitting it out,or joining up with the rural whites to get the invading urban blacks under control.

People tend to see blacks as a monolithic ethnic group,but the truth is most have nothing in common with the ghetto rats other than skin color,and they are embarrassed about that.

Most are like everybody else. They just want to live their lives in peace and comfort while putting aside a little for future retirement.

Keep in mind I am basing this on the blacks I have known,worked with,or served with in the army. I don't personally know any ghetto rats,but I have had a run-in or two with them over the last 30 years or so that didn't leave me very impressed.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #31 on: June 19, 2020, 06:32:14 pm »
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #32 on: June 19, 2020, 06:36:50 pm »
Better late than never (my mantra since I'm a procrastinating Sagittarius...lol). 

Hey, got a question for ya.   A friend sent me an email asking if this donation site is legit for Trump.  I have no idea.... but thought maybe you would.   

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To answer directly, that site doesn’t look legit.

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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #33 on: June 19, 2020, 06:43:41 pm »
@XenaLee

To answer directly, that site doesn’t look legit.

Ok, thanks.   That's what I kinda thought, too.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #34 on: June 19, 2020, 09:29:39 pm »
A prescient outline of the future...

Here's an excerpt from an obscure book written in 1997 by someone who seems to have largely disappeared from public view.
Yet, considering what's happened around the country in the last couple of months, I believe it needs wider attention among traditional-minded Americans.

The book is entitled "Civil War II", the author is Thomas Chittum.
This page will give you several downloadable formats:
https://archive.org/details/CivilWarIITheComingBreakupOfAmerica1996-ThomasW.Chittum

Another source (also with audiobook version):
https://archive.org/details/CivilWarTwoAudiobook

An excerpt from Chapter 1:
(remember that this was written 23 years ago)
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Trend 1: Heavy Weapons
Watch future riots to see if heavy weapons such as attack aircraft, artillery, or armored vehicles are used to suppress them. If they are, we'll know we've taken another critical step towards Civil War II. Actually, in the Los Angels riot of'92, armored personnel carriers were used by the Los Angeles police to flush out organized snipers in the predominately black Jordan Downs housing project (Robert vernon, LA. Justice, Focus on the Family Publishing, 1993, pp. 22-27.). Armored personnel carriers are not police vehicles; armored personnel carriers are military attack vehicles. Armored vehicles were necessary because the riot was not actually a riot, but a hybrid somewhere between a riot and a war. It is a stark fact that these riots are increasingly taking on the characteristics of outright warfare, and that the police are increasingly and necessarily taking on the characteristics of armies in order to fight these wars. This ongoing conversion of our police departments into military formations is reflected by their increasing use of armored vehicles, helicopters, bullet- spraying assault rifles, combat helmets, bulletproof vests, military uniforms, sniper rifles, and military organizational structures such as SWAT teams.

Trend 2: Ethnic Militias
Watch riots for confrontations between armed ethnic militias, because such confrontations will certainly precede Civil War II. Actually, a confrontation between armed ethnic militias has already occurred. In the Los Angeles riot of '92, Korean merchants spontaneously formed a de facto ethnic militia (Newsweek, "The Siege of LA.", May 11,1992, p. 38.). They armed themselves with pistols and shotguns, stationed themselves on the roofs of the buildings in their shopping center, and coordinated their defense of their property with citizen band radios. In so doing they successfully defended their property against similar armed ethnic militias composed of black street gang members that torched much of Los Angeles. In the Los Angeles riot of '92, armed ethnic militias confronted each other on American soil, but the significance was missed, intentionally or otherwise, by the politically- correct establishment media. Why?

Trend 3: Barricades
When rioters erect barricades, they're taking an important step, consciously or unconsciously, towards creating a new nation, however small or temporary. These barricades are boundaries. They proclaim that all on one side are of the same tribe, and that all on the other side are foreigners. These barricades are physical boundaries that are preceded by and reflect the boundaries in the hearts and minds of those who erected them. After these physical barricades are torn down by the police, the barricades still remain in the hearts and minds of those who erected them, and therein lies the real problem, because barricades in hearts and minds can not be torn down by any amount of police force.

Trend 4: Siege of Police Stations
Nations do not allow hostile armed forces on their territory, so watch for rioters laying siege to police stations and military installations. The media will call these sieges attempts to punish the police or capture their weapons, but that's only half the truth. The greater truth is that, consciously or unconsciously, these rioters are creating a new nation, and that they perceive the police as the occupying army of a foreign power. Also, watch for attempts to seize radio and television stations, and government buildings.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #35 on: June 19, 2020, 09:41:34 pm »
90% of civil war victors win based on weaponry and tactical advantages.  In a U.S  urban vs non-urban one fought at the fringes?  Thugs lose miserably.
I would not ignore the urban groups organizational advantage, with units with command structure, and experienced and hardened footsoldiers. (Street Gangs are one example). If they can be kept from each others' throats, they would be effective to the limits of their urban environment. Outside of that, with their communications disabled, their tactical advantage would be lost to those who know the terrain and who could do significant damage even with inferior force numbers.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #36 on: June 19, 2020, 10:16:36 pm »
I would not ignore the urban groups organizational advantage, with units with command structure, and experienced and hardened footsoldiers. (Street Gangs are one example). 

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You mean the "gangstas" that boldly ride by unarmed "enemies" in cars running 40 MPH or so,and blasting away at anything and everything while holding their guns sideways?

Those "boyz" have a hard lesson to learn when they start that crap in rural areas. Most will never live long enough to pass it on,though.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #37 on: June 19, 2020, 10:27:29 pm »
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You mean the "gangstas" that boldly ride by unarmed "enemies" in cars running 40 MPH or so,and blasting away at anything and everything while holding their guns sideways?

Those "boyz" have a hard lesson to learn when they start that crap in rural areas. Most will never live long enough to pass it on,though.
Right. One old tractor or junk pickup across the road and they're in the box.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #38 on: June 19, 2020, 10:40:40 pm »
Right. One old tractor or junk pickup across the road and they're in the box.

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Not to mention scoped rifles that are 30 caliber or larger,being fired by people who can hit a head-sized target at up to 500 meters with every shot.

Hell,I can hit a torso-sized target with every shot at up to 500 meters with iron sights on my 30 caliber rifle,and I am a geezer with failing vision. Might take me a couple of shots these days,but I have 20 and 30 round magazines.

And don't make me reach for my bolt action 300 H&H magnum with the 4x12 scope and hand loads. You won't even be able to run far enough to get tired.

Think about this little factoid for a moment. There is not one "gangsta foot soldier" out of a thousand that can even GUESS what I wrote above means,and probably 90 percent of the rural males that read it instantly understand everything I wrote perfectly,and so do maybe half of the females in their families.

The only thing open to question is "What will the US Military do? Will they follow command orders to open fire on the rioting blacks,open fire on the rioters opponents who are taking them down,or just flat refuse to take a side and remain on their bases?

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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #39 on: June 19, 2020, 11:30:58 pm »
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Not to mention scoped rifles that are 30 caliber or larger,being fired by people who can hit a head-sized target at up to 500 meters with every shot.

@sneakypete

Exactly. Urbanites have no clue about the rural areas. In Iowa it is not flat, it is not desert, it is not even plains. It's woodland. Hills, hollers, trees, obstacles, hiding spots.

You just don't prowl around out here thinking it's nothing but a herd of sheep for the taking. There are a zillion ambush and sniper points around every curve in the road.

I know nearly every road in my county. I know the 50 mile radius pretty well. Hell I know the whole state of Iowa pretty well.

They want to roll up and here and try stuff, my response is 'Welcome to Thunderdome'.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2020, 12:05:11 am »
@sneakypete

Exactly. Urbanites have no clue about the rural areas. In Iowa it is not flat, it is not desert, it is not even plains. It's woodland. Hills, hollers, trees, obstacles, hiding spots.

You just don't prowl around out here thinking it's nothing but a herd of sheep for the taking. There are a zillion ambush and sniper points around every curve in the road.

I know nearly every road in my county. I know the 50 mile radius pretty well. Hell I know the whole state of Iowa pretty well.

They want to roll up and here and try stuff, my response is 'Welcome to Thunderdome'.

It's at least 100 miles from the Texas border to my place from any direction so I seriously doubt many of them will be seen in these parts but any that are will wish they hadn't been.
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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #41 on: June 20, 2020, 12:06:16 am »
Hell,I can hit a torso-sized target with every shot at up to 500 meters with iron sights on my 30 caliber rifle,and I am a geezer with failing vision. Might take me a couple of shots these days,but I have 20 and 30 round magazines.

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Wait a minute... that's say... 550-600 yds? Wait a minute... Let me get my glasses...

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And don't make me reach for my bolt action 300 H&H magnum with the 4x12 scope and hand loads. You won't even be able to run far enough to get tired.

@sneakypete

Yep... I can't see good enough for iron sights much anymore, but 600 yards ain't even starting to get fun with a 300 winmag. Shoot, with my old 7mm mag I could dang near drive nails at twice  that range... Well, alright... but a pie plate at a quarter mile ain't even hard. And I don't need my glasses anymore with a scope... I can see just as far as I ever have.

I have always loved them long shots... Which is good now. I am too old and gimpy to play hard... But give me a nest up in the rocks a ways off with a good exit, and I can still be a proper nuisance.

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[...] and probably 90 percent of the rural males that read it instantly understand everything I wrote perfectly,and so do maybe half of the females in their families.

Yeah. Other than converting from the communist metric system... But meters/yards is is easier than most though (what, roughly +10 yds for every 100m). I am still offended... Math is hard.  You made me use my fingers.


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Re: Poll: More than 1/3 think a second civil war is coming
« Reply #42 on: June 20, 2020, 06:11:28 am »
@sneakypete

Wait a minute... that's say... 550-600 yds? Wait a minute... Let me get my glasses...

@roamer_1

You won't really need glasses. They are always moving,always yelling,wear bright clothing and accessories,and they can't stay still. If you close your eyes you could probably hear them coming.

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Yep... I can't see good enough for iron sights much anymore, but 600 yards ain't even starting to get fun with a 300 winmag. Shoot, with my old 7mm mag I could dang near drive nails at twice  that range... Well, alright... but a pie plate at a quarter mile ain't even hard. And I don't need my glasses anymore with a scope... I can see just as far as I ever have.

And as mentioned above,these won't exactly be stealth targets. Helen Keller would know they are coming.

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I have always loved them long shots... Which is good now. I am too old and gimpy to play hard... But give me a nest up in the rocks a ways off with a good exit, and I can still be a proper nuisance.

I'm not worried about that for a couple of reasons,one is with every shot I make they will lose more of their enthusiasm for coming after me ,and  pretty soon they will hear their mamas calling them home for lunch.

And it should go without saying that you pick your targets carefully,and go after the ones that seem the most alert first.

Since stereotypes only apply to the ones who think it is cool to be a stereotype,pay special attention to any that are moving carefully and seem to have an understanding of the concepts of stealth and cover. They will use the other fools as "stake out goats" to attract fire so you give away your position.

NONE of this should have EVER happened,and the old white geezers in the Dim Party are the ones responsible for it if/when it does happen.

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« Reply #43 on: June 20, 2020, 07:25:55 am »

You won't really need glasses. They are always moving,always yelling,wear bright clothing and accessories,and they can't stay still. If you close your eyes you could probably hear them coming.

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Oh yeah I do... I can see them well enough... It's the dot at the end of the barrel I can't see. I am kinda guessing on that... So if I wear my reading glasses down on my nose, maybe. But for a long shot w/ open sites that dot better be exactly where it needs to be, and I can't see it at all.
I had a Taurus Titanium wheel gun for a while in .44 mag... That thing had a light gathering site on the front. I could see that real well. I prolly ought to do that to my Marlin.

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NONE of this should have EVER happened,and the old white geezers in the Dim Party are the ones responsible for it if/when it does happen.

That's right.