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The Motley Fool by Anders Bylund 5/15/2020

The world's largest semiconductor manufacturing specialist will spend $12 billion on a next-generation chip factory in Arizona.

Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing (NYSE:TSM) committed to this massive project on Friday, as the Trump administration tightened restrictions on semiconductor shipments to and from China.
A $12 billion investment

The new chip-making facility will use Taiwan Semi's advanced 5-nanometer manufacturing process. Construction is scheduled to start in 2021 and the first production runs should take place three years later. When the plant ramps up to full production volumes, TSM expects 1,600 high-tech workers at the facility to churn out 20,000 semiconductor wafers per month.

This will not be Taiwan Semi's largest production facility by a long shot. The company already has three Taiwanese chip factories with monthly capacities of at least 100,000 wafers and an even larger plant should open its doors later this year or in early 2021. All told, Taiwan Semi's production capacity adds up to 2.5 million wafers per month. American semiconductor giant Intel (NASDAQ:INTC) can create 817,000 wafers per month. Four of Intel's 15 global chip-making facilities can be found in Chandler, Arizona.

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2020, 05:04:37 pm »
Semiconductor design and fab have been in Arizona for decades, Motorola having been the major player in AZ.
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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2020, 05:06:32 pm »
I'm very familiar with this company, TSMC (and Phoenix, AKA "the Silicon Desert").  My old company partnered with them to design and develop integrated circuits.  My job was testing their R&D wafers at probe level (I received and tested whole, un-cut up wafers), and reporting out the data to the Scientists to be made into computer models for the circuit designers to predict the behaviors prior to being built in the wafer fab.

These models have cut years from development times, and greatly sped up the eventual release to consumers. 

The "number of wafers per month" is actually not a simple measure of output.  Over the 25 years I did this, wafers have increased in size from 50mm (2 inches) to 300mm (12 inches).  That represents a huge increase in surface real estate by a factor of 36.  A better, but not perfect measure of output is how many ICs are produced in a month.

As an aside, because of my long work with computer models, I detest what's being done in the name of computer modeling.  The shysters have totally debased my life's work, so now the ignorant public thinks all computer models are trickery.  Companies like my old firm have to have accurate models that produce accurate predictions isn't a matter of fudging models to come to a pre-determined outcome, but a matter of improving speed to market.  If you aren't first, you are last and will only reap dribs and drabs of market share, primarily as a second-source.

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2020, 05:07:35 pm »
Semiconductor design and fab have been in Arizona for decades, Motorola having been the major player in AZ.

I started working at the Batwing Factory in 1984, and retired in 2018.
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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2020, 06:52:03 pm »
The goobers won't like this because it's... globalism!

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2020, 07:21:25 pm »
The goobers won't like this because it's... globalism!

True.  Fortunately, these are the "good" Chinese in Taiwan.  I've known people from Taiwan and from the Mainland while working with TSMC generated product.  They are not the same people.  The US-Schooled from both were knowledgeable and motivated, but the Mainland folks lacked imagination.  Imagine that, I wonder why.  They share genes, too.
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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2020, 02:31:27 am »
Any updates ?

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2020, 03:24:10 am »
True.  Fortunately, these are the "good" Chinese in Taiwan.  I've known people from Taiwan and from the Mainland while working with TSMC generated product.  They are not the same people.  The US-Schooled from both were knowledgeable and motivated, but the Mainland folks lacked imagination.  Imagine that, I wonder why.  They share genes, too.

I agree. Our business has a good record working with Taiwanese businesses. Hard working and straight forward to work with.

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2020, 02:59:28 am »
The only thing that concerns me is that AZ is being over run with people from CA as it is. 

They bring some pretty left wing views.

Silicon Valley in particular.

Don't want that in Phoenix.

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2020, 12:59:07 pm »
Any updates ?

If it so interests you then take a little time from your busy schedule, do some research, and post what you find out on this 5 month old topic.

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2020, 04:53:53 pm »
The only thing that concerns me is that AZ is being over run with people from CA as it is. 

They bring some pretty left wing views.

Silicon Valley in particular.

Don't want that in Phoenix.

But for 6 years in AZ for college and career start, I'm a lifelong Californian. And I've lived in Silicon Valley for over 40 continuous years. Please temper your stereotypes.

Further, semiconductor companies have been operating in AZ's Valley of the Sun for about as long as there have been semiconductor companies. Maybe @Cyber Liberty could give more info about the Arizona part of Motorola's history.

Texas Instruments is one of the largest semis companies in the world, and they are based in ... Texas. Over-simplifications can be useful, but not when they become bases for stereotypes.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2020, 05:06:33 pm »
If it so interests you then take a little time from your busy schedule, do some research, and post what you find out on this 5 month old topic.

 Hiker,  is just wanting to be part of a conversation.  Why the SNARK?   Not nice.
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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2020, 05:10:13 pm »
But for 6 years in AZ for college and career start, I'm a lifelong Californian. And I've lived in Silicon Valley for over 40 continuous years. Please temper your stereotypes.

Further, semiconductor companies have been operating in AZ's Valley of the Sun for about as long as there have been semiconductor companies. Maybe @Cyber Liberty could give more info about the Arizona part of Motorola's history.

Texas Instruments is one of the largest semis companies in the world, and they are based in ... Texas. Over-simplifications can be useful, but not when they become bases for stereotypes.

FREE SPEECH.  I agree with hiker.  We know who has ruined America.  Nothing to temper.  NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT.....YOU! 

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Re: Taiwan Semiconductor To Build a $12 Billion Chip Plant In Arizona
« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2020, 06:40:09 pm »
FREE SPEECH.  I agree with hiker.  We know who has ruined America.  Nothing to temper.  NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT.....YOU!

Re-read Hiker's post more carefully:

The only thing that concerns me is that AZ is being over run with people from CA as it is. 

They bring some pretty left wing views.

Silicon Valley in particular.

Don't want that in Phoenix.

Hiker didn't say "many people from CA", he just said "people from CA". So Hiker was "TALKING ABOUT" me. Hiker went farther. Hiker said, "Silicon Valley in particular". In other words I am some one Hiker was speaking about "in particular".

My response was accurate and appropriate, @LegalAmerican. Broad-broom stereotyping Californians is as ridiculous as applying Las Vegas-based stereotypes to you.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.