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Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« on: April 10, 2020, 06:33:18 pm »
Charlie Spiering 10 Apr 2020

President Donald Trump wants to reopen the country by May 1, according to a report in the Washington Post.

The president remains reluctant to publicly set a date, but the Post cites anonymous sources that say behind the scenes, Trump is telling advisers that May 1 is the day that Americans should be allowed to return to work.

On Wednesday, Trump declined to give an “aspirational” date, noting that he was immediately criticized for hoping the country would reopen by Easter.

“I said it would be very tough, and I was criticized for that, so I don’t like giving dates,” he said on Wednesday during the White House press briefing, but he added, “I think we will be sooner rather than later.”

The president told reporters that to reopen the country, it had to be on the “downside of that slope” of the infection and hospitalization curves that he and the coronavirus task force have been watching for weeks.

Amid Trump’s optimism about reopening the country for business soon, Dr. Anthony Fauci has described a more gradual approach.

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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2020, 06:43:32 pm »
The leftists will throw brickbats at Trump for the next three weeks or so.  They are demanding the shutdown lasts long enough to maximize damage to the economy, so they can beat him in the election.  If it continues through May Trump will probably lose the election.

"Trump kills people" is the new rallying cry, from the same fellow who coined "It's the economy, stupid."
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2020, 06:45:47 pm »
The leftists will throw brickbats at Trump for the next three weeks or so.  They are demanding the shutdown lasts long enough to maximize damage to the economy, so they can beat him in the election.  If it continues through May Trump will probably lose the election.

"Trump kills people" is the new rallying cry, from the same fellow who coined "It's the economy, stupid."

On the other hand, I can't think of anything he could do right now that would be more popular.

Let the left mewl about re-opening the country.

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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2020, 07:05:47 pm »
Trump cannot command the businesses in any state to open up unless the state gives the order.

The surest way to open up the nation is to persuade red state governors to go back to business as usual, with some precautions.

Once the red states open up, the blue states will be unable to stay closed up while their red state neighbors thrive.

If they remain closed, the wealth transfer from blue to red accelerates, as will the movement of people.
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2020, 07:19:27 pm »
If the scientists and President Trump's advisors think it's wise, and my President agrees, I'm fine with that. 

When President Trump first offered Easter as a possibility I posted "I love his optimism."

But we got here and my President recognized we are not ready.

So for a May 1st Grand reopening I say "I love his optimism."

For those who say that is unrealistically early, I would point out that the President's ability to read data and adjust strategy was just proven.
For those who say that is unrealistically late,  I would point out that the President's ability to read data and adjust strategy was just proven.

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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2020, 07:27:41 pm »
If the scientists and President Trump's advisors think it's wise, and my President agrees, I'm fine with that. 

When President Trump first offered Easter as a possibility I posted "I love his optimism."

But we got here and my President recognized we are not ready.

So for a May 1st Grand reopening I say "I love his optimism."

I also admire his optimism, but that admiration won't buy you a cup of coffee if he only listens to the medical technocrats.

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For those who say that is unrealistically early, I would point out that the President's ability to read data and adjust strategy was just proven.
For those who say that is unrealistically late,  I would point out that the President's ability to read data and adjust strategy was just proven.

I agree with this last part, and would add that if he tries to maintain restrictions on activities beyond 5/1, he's a one-term President.
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2020, 08:45:11 pm »
Trump to convene council focused on reopening the country
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/492247-trump-to-convene-council-focused-on-reopening-the-country

@TomSea says "Failure to Prepare is Preparing to fail"  This council sounds like a good idea to me.

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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2020, 09:07:55 pm »
@TomSea says "Failure to Prepare is Preparing to fail"  This council sounds like a good idea to me.

It does to me too.  I wonder how the Rats plan on politicizing it for their advantage?
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2020, 09:09:48 pm »
Trump cannot command the businesses in any state to open up unless the state gives the order.

The surest way to open up the nation is to persuade red state governors to go back to business as usual, with some precautions.

Once the red states open up, the blue states will be unable to stay closed up while their red state neighbors thrive.

If they remain closed, the wealth transfer from blue to red accelerates, as will the movement of people.

Quite a few states have over 10,000 cases -- how as governor do you keep the hot spots closed and allow the rest of the state to function?  That won't work.  It would be foolish for LA, MI, TX, FL, NY, NJ, IL, PA, MA, CA to open before they see a vast reduction in cases and deaths. Setting any date is foolish. The country isn't going to see a reduction all at once. There are a handful of states with less than 500 cases -- let them get back to work.  The rest will need to wait to open when they see a substantial reduction.
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2020, 09:14:54 pm »
Quite a few states have over 10,000 cases -- how as governor do you keep the hot spots closed and allow the rest of the state to function?  That won't work.  It would be foolish for LA, MI, TX, FL, NY, NJ, IL, PA, MA, CA to open before they see a vast reduction in cases and deaths. Setting any date is foolish. The country isn't going to see a reduction all at once. There are a handful of states with less than 500 cases -- let them get back to work.  The rest will need to wait to open when they see a substantial reduction.

Good post but I don't think the states with 500 cases ever closed.  I'm sure some Gov have not called for a quarantine.

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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2020, 09:24:56 pm »
Trump cannot command the businesses in any state to open up unless the state gives the order.

The surest way to open up the nation is to persuade red state governors to go back to business as usual, with some precautions.

Once the red states open up, the blue states will be unable to stay closed up while their red state neighbors thrive.

If they remain closed, the wealth transfer from blue to red accelerates, as will the movement of people.

Good post.
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2020, 09:36:43 pm »
This isn't going to be a binary open vs closed event. Its going to be gradual and regional...but I do believe it will begin on May 1st. Most of the midwest and certain regions of the West and South will return to near normal function with social distancing and testing protocols in place. The "hotspot" regions will progress more slowly AND...as has been mentioned...some Governors will push their states to be more open whilst others will drag their feet. That said, once the reopen ball gets rolling it will be hard to stop...and by August we may start to feel a sense of normalcy returning as schools start back up.
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2020, 09:41:30 pm »
All of the states need to open up now, with reasonable precautions.  Shutting down the economy is unprecedented and dangerous on many levels.  This is spiraling into an economic catastrophe that won't be undone for 10 years.  Most of those who will perish of the virus would have been dead long before we recover.  And we're killing the future with debt.  Lord knows what else will happen over the next few months ... there could be widespread civil unrest.

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« Reply #14 on: April 10, 2020, 09:45:53 pm »
Quite a few states have over 10,000 cases -- how as governor do you keep the hot spots closed and allow the rest of the state to function?  That won't work.  It would be foolish for LA, MI, TX, FL, NY, NJ, IL, PA, MA, CA to open before they see a vast reduction in cases and deaths. Setting any date is foolish. The country isn't going to see a reduction all at once. There are a handful of states with less than 500 cases -- let them get back to work.  The rest will need to wait to open when they see a substantial reduction.
11,600 cases in a state the size of Texas with its population of 29 million means only 1 in 2,500 people in the state have been tested positive for the disease and only 226 have died which means for every 128,000 people there is a chance of a single death.

I saw it reported that car deaths are down 38% for the year, so there are half the people dying from car crashes due to the decreased traffic than those dying from virus, so the effects of virus is a net gain in life, not negative.  So why not just shut down car traffic more to save more deaths?

Those odds do not warrant a continued lockdown by any way shape or form.

As I said, reopening with precautions such as targeting those most susceptible to the disease like nursing homes, letting those testing negative or the 98% of people who do not succumb to the effects of the disease return to work(The South Korean model), letting businesses reopen, etc. is most certainly preferable than a continued decimation of our economy.

What do you call a 'vast reduction of deaths' anyway when you start with only 226?

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« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2020, 09:48:52 pm »
All of the states need to open up now, with reasonable precautions.  Shutting down the economy is unprecedented and dangerous on many levels.  This is spiraling into an economic catastrophe that won't be undone for 10 years.  Most of those who will perish of the virus would have been dead long before we recover.  And we're killing the future with debt.  Lord knows what else will happen over the next few months ... there could be widespread civil unrest.

I can foresee States with Rat Governors will stay closed unnecessarily, just to screw with Trump's reelection.  Pain sells.
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« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2020, 09:51:14 pm »
I can foresee States with Rat Governors will stay closed unnecessarily, just to screw with Trump's reelection.  Pain sells.

That knife can cut both ways.

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2020, 09:54:07 pm »
I can foresee States with Rat Governors will stay closed unnecessarily, just to screw with Trump's reelection.  Pain sells.

When April 30 arrives, Trump needs to go with his instincts and stop letting a few doctors run the country.  Doctors are specialists and have no concept of what sort of problems an economic collapse will bring.  Nor will they be held accountable. 

If he encourages the states to open, and people are going back to work in red states, the rat governors will come under extreme pressure. 

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« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2020, 10:05:01 pm »
When April 30 arrives, Trump needs to go with his instincts and stop letting a few doctors run the country.  Doctors are specialists and have no concept of what sort of problems an economic collapse will bring.  Nor will they be held accountable. 

If he encourages the states to open, and people are going back to work in red states, the rat governors will come under extreme pressure.

Yup!  Exactly so.  Right now, the technocrats are in charge, and this cannot continue!  And Rat Governors will ignore that at their peril.
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2020, 10:06:31 pm »
That knife can cut both ways.

The cutting is a whole lot easier for those who have the so-called "press" in their pockets.
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2020, 10:09:36 pm »
When April 30 arrives, Trump needs to go with his instincts and stop letting a few doctors run the country.

I think that is what he has, and is already doing. 


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« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2020, 10:12:59 pm »
The leftists will throw brickbats at Trump for the next three weeks or so.  They are demanding the shutdown lasts long enough to maximize damage to the economy, so they can beat him in the election.  If it continues through May Trump will probably lose the election.

"Trump kills people" is the new rallying cry, from the same fellow who coined "It's the economy, stupid."

Solid analysis!

The second Trump starts getting people back to work the leftists will blame him for any death that occurs. None of them will recognize that numerous treatments will be available, hospitals will be getting back to normal so beds are not an issue, or that equipment such as ventilators are in ample supply. IOW, no matter what Trump does it will be wrong.

It does seem to bother these leftists that peoples livelihoods are being destroyed (including death) with this shut down. A lot of businesses are not going to be reopening. A lot of jobs will be lost. The sooner the economy gets going again the less of this damage there will be.
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Re: Report: Donald Trump Pressing to Reopen U.S. by May 1
« Reply #22 on: April 10, 2020, 10:21:38 pm »
Quite a few states have over 10,000 cases -- how as governor do you keep the hot spots closed and allow the rest of the state to function?  That won't work.  It would be foolish for LA, MI, TX, FL, NY, NJ, IL, PA, MA, CA to open before they see a vast reduction in cases and deaths. Setting any date is foolish. The country isn't going to see a reduction all at once. There are a handful of states with less than 500 cases -- let them get back to work.  The rest will need to wait to open when they see a substantial reduction.

A website I watch closely breaks it all down: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

If you look at the deaths in individual states you find only 3 have over 1,000. Don't look at the number of cases because that's way under reported. A lot of people may have had the Wuhan Virus and gotten over it without even seeing a doctor. As long as a state is being overwhelmed where they don't have hospital beds or equipment there is no reason for them to be shut down. Also, there are treatments available now with more coming soon.
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« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2020, 10:25:42 pm »
As long as a state is being overwhelmed where they don't have hospital beds or equipment there is no reason for them to be shut down.
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« Reply #24 on: April 10, 2020, 10:27:20 pm »
All of the states need to open up now, with reasonable precautions.  Shutting down the economy is unprecedented and dangerous on many levels.  This is spiraling into an economic catastrophe that won't be undone for 10 years.  Most of those who will perish of the virus would have been dead long before we recover.  And we're killing the future with debt.  Lord knows what else will happen over the next few months ... there could be widespread civil unrest.

 :amen:

People are more than capable of calling a doctor if they aren't feeling good. The Abbott Lab test that gives results in 5 minutes can be ramped up and put at nursing homes, senior communities and retirement homes. As it is now a lot people are going to be surprised when they walk down main street and see a fair number of businesses that never reopened. The longer we wait the worse it will get.
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