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Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trump
« on: April 10, 2020, 04:41:43 pm »
Pam Key 8 Apr 2020

Wednesday on MSNBC’s “The 11th Hour,” former lead strategist for Bill Clinton’s 1992 presidential campaign James Carville said the presumptive Democratic Party nominee former Vice President Joe Biden would “wipeout” President Donald Trump in 2020.

Williams said, “James, everyone I know, everyone I’ve spoken to knows someone who is sick or hopefully recently recovered or on a ventilator or has died of this. What, as you look at this, what’s the short version of what this is doing to Donald Trump, to his presidency thus far?”

Carville said, “First of all, he won with 46.1%. He’s literally lost 95% of the elections that have taken place between the time of his election and right now. His polling numbers are going down, and they’re awful. Usually, in a crisis – I mean, Jimmy Carter was at 67% in the Iran hostage crisis. The prime minister of Italy is over 70%. I’ll bet you 30 governors in the United States are over 70%. I’m totally, totally unimpressed by President Trump’s political prowess. I have absolutely no fear.”

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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2020, 06:44:10 pm »
All of Carville's arguments are true now.  The picture could be much better for President Trump if COVID-19 in not the main story in Nov or if another story succeeds it.

Right now President Trump can't do rallies.  I hope that changes soon.
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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2020, 07:20:41 pm »
Quote from: Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 06:44:10 pm
All of Carville's arguments are true now.  The picture could be much better for President Trump if COVID-19 in not the main story in Nov or if another story succeeds it.

Right now President Trump can't do rallies.  I hope that changes soon.

Polls are polls, and this poll and opinion is just that. What has become even more obvious is the absolute blatant hatred for Trump during this whole pandemic ordeal from the left and the media. Quite frankly I am disgusted and don't know what to think. I certainly see the number of coronavirus cases that are being reported rising in my state and county. Millions of people were forced out of work, businesses closed and this country is in even more debt.  Families have been kept apart, schools closed with most kids unable to finish their grade; with Trump declaring no further testing, they have a choice of repeating the grade or jumping ahead and hoping for the best. The market tanked; many individual investors lost thousands.  Just about everyone has lost a whole lot of time and a whole lot of money --- the country retreated from a robust economy and added trillions to the already out of control debt.

We were all told and in some areas mandated to stay at home and most of us complied. That's another issue, but it is troubling.

However, evidence is coming forward that it appears that the numbers were manipulated.  Were those numbers manipulated by the Trump administration realizing that the initial information that they were given was exaggerated or were the numbers manipulated by the left to instill fear in the public and to control the actions of the White House (once again)?

To agree with Carville's arguments would be suggesting that Trump has lost the majority of his base and his support because they feel that he handled the situation inadequately. Or we could go with the other rumor that he orchestrated this whole mess because he has stock in the company that makes hydrochloriquine!  Not buying it.

What is almost certain is that the left once again, will try to bring charges against Trump for how he handled this pandemic; perhaps for waiting too long to react, withholding information given to him from China, profiting from the sale of hydrochloronique and what is even more certain is that it will be the left who is once again guilty of wrongdoing in an effort to take down Trump.

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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2020, 07:25:21 pm »
It's a political football, sad, COVID-19. Even if Trump had put every measure in place back in Feb., people would be saying "oh, look, more people die from the flu" and things like that.

The bad thing about Biden is that is China friendly, so, just for that alone, I will support Trump.
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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2020, 07:29:26 pm »
You've got people with way out theories on both sides. 

I don't know if it was posted here, I know I saw someone post a Ben Garrison cartoon, that was probably on twitter.

I won't post the cartoon itself, I will link to it, some are saying this is a Bill Gates plot.  Gates is not trustworthy though, I find it hard to believe he helped get this virus off the ground. Though, the virus may well be man-manipulated.

https://www.grrrgraphics.com/bill-gates-medical-fascist

I've seen some theorizing on this.
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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2020, 07:37:32 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on April 10, 2020, 07:20:41 pm
Polls are polls, and this poll and opinion is just that. What has become even more obvious is the absolute blatant hatred for Trump during this whole pandemic ordeal from the left and the media. Quite frankly I am disgusted and don't know what to think. I certainly see the number of coronavirus cases that are being reported rising in my state and county. Millions of people were forced out of work, businesses closed and this country is in even more debt.  Families have been kept apart, schools closed with most kids unable to finish their grade; with Trump declaring no further testing, they have a choice of repeating the grade or jumping ahead and hoping for the best. The market tanked; many individual investors lost thousands.  Just about everyone has lost a whole lot of time and a whole lot of money --- the country retreated from a robust economy and added trillions to the already out of control debt.

We were all told and in some areas mandated to stay at home and most of us complied. That's another issue, but it is troubling.

However, evidence is coming forward that it appears that the numbers were manipulated.  Were those numbers manipulated by the Trump administration realizing that the initial information that they were given was exaggerated or were the numbers manipulated by the left to instill fear in the public and to control the actions of the White House (once again)?

To agree with Carville's arguments would be suggesting that Trump has lost the majority of his base and his support because they feel that he handled the situation inadequately. Or we could go with the other rumor that he orchestrated this whole mess because he has stock in the company that makes hydrochloriquine!  Not buying it.

What is almost certain is that the left once again, will try to bring charges against Trump for how he handled this pandemic; perhaps for waiting too long to react, withholding information given to him from China, profiting from the sale of hydrochloronique and what is even more certain is that it will be the left who is once again guilty of wrongdoing in an effort to take down Trump.

Thank you for your thoughtful, and meaty reply

I agree with the whole of your first paragraph.  It's possible numbers have been manipulated.  It's also possible that social distancing has slowed the spread and saved countless lives.  Accusations of number tampering should be investigated, the sooner the better.  I think the base is all President Trump has left, but I've no unquestionable way to quantify his popularity.  The best defense against the charges of the rats is a low death toll.  Nobody is more motivated to save lives than my President because it will be his legacy, and the larger the death toll, the bigger part of his legacy it will be.

Stay safe @libertybele



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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2020, 08:11:32 pm »
FWIW just listened to press conf. with Gov. Newsome in CA.

He said not a bad word about Trump, and was very complimentary about FEMA.

No Trump won't win CA.


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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2020, 08:14:44 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on April 10, 2020, 08:11:32 pm
FWIW just listened to press conf. with Gov. Newsome in CA.

He said not a bad word about Trump, and was very complimentary about FEMA.

No Trump won't win CA.

Florida will be the most likely key state.
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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2020, 08:44:26 pm »
Quote from: Once-Ler on April 10, 2020, 07:37:32 pm
Thank you for your thoughtful, and meaty reply

  I think the base is all President Trump has left,

Me, too. But to Trump's credit, he finally realizes that it that it won't be enough against an energized left.
He's trying, though.
At his SOTU address, I saw more black & Latino people featured than I did in my last foray into Camden, NJ.
I've also noticed that POTUS no longer fights on twitter with the young, black, Latina, immigrant, and Arab women of the Squad (LOL--could he offend more nascent demographics?). Hell, he even gave AOC a backhanded compliment last week.

2016 was magical for Trump--everything broke his way:
1. A hated, loathsome opponent who had the nerve to be overconfident
2. A more despicable treater of women than him in Slick which blunted the impact of The Access Hollywood tape
3. Comey reminding everyone at the 11th hour of Hillary's corruption
4. Weiner's laptop
5. Minority turnout being depressed because of no Obama
6. A Democrat VP candidate who (LOL) did NOTHING to help the ticket
7. Trump being the new and fresh alternative
8. Wikileaks
9. Dems not being as internet savvy as Pascale.
10. Leftists thinking that victory was assured because of the pre-election polls.
11. The GOP establishment's error in not taking Trump seriously until it was too late and coalescing around a more "acceptable" candidate. The Dems sure did that to get rid of Bernie.

The Dems have tried to address every single point. They have been thorough and efficient in their planning to take down Trump.

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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2020, 09:11:46 pm »
Quote from: FeelNoPain on April 10, 2020, 08:44:26 pm
Me, too. But to Trump's credit, he finally realizes that it that it won't be enough against an energized left.
He's trying, though.
At his SOTU address, I saw more black & Latino people featured than I did in my last foray into Camden, NJ.
I've also noticed that POTUS no longer fights on twitter with the young, black, Latina, immigrant, and Arab women of the Squad (LOL--could he offend more nascent demographics?). Hell, he even gave AOC a backhanded compliment last week.

2016 was magical for Trump--everything broke his way:
1. A hated, loathsome opponent who had the nerve to be overconfident
2. A more despicable treater of women than him in Slick which blunted the impact of The Access Hollywood tape
3. Comey reminding everyone at the 11th hour of Hillary's corruption
4. Weiner's laptop
5. Minority turnout being depressed because of no Obama
6. A Democrat VP candidate who (LOL) did NOTHING to help the ticket
7. Trump being the new and fresh alternative
8. Wikileaks
9. Dems not being as internet savvy as Pascale.
10. Leftists thinking that victory was assured because of the pre-election polls.
11. The GOP establishment's error in not taking Trump seriously until it was too late and coalescing around a more "acceptable" candidate. The Dems sure did that to get rid of Bernie.

The Dems have tried to address every single point. They have been thorough and efficient in their planning to take down Trump.

Thank you also for a thoughtful and meaty reply.  I wouldn't dispute a word of it.  In fact I tried for 5 minutes to remember who #6 was and had to google it.

President Trump probably only needs his fairly well proven record on nominating judges to keep most his base, but he has also had moderate success on other fronts like the 168 miles of Mexico border wall announced today, and a mostly solid economy for 3 years.

Along the way he has added many failures in my opinion, like impeachment, reckless spending, inept foreign policy, and being a terrible role model as a person.

But the biggest factor for the 2020 elections is unfolding now.  How will the voters judge his reaction to COVID-19?  I rate it very good but late.  YMMV.  Not enough to get me to vote for him, but worthy of praise and the future may change that.

Stay Safe @Neverdul 
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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #10 on: April 10, 2020, 09:44:14 pm »
I don't see how a free marketeer will possibly win in 2020 or anytime soon.  Unemployment is north of 12% and rising at an exponential rate.  This is going to drive the desperate people into the arms of the government.
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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2020, 05:00:39 am »
Either his wife is beating him again,or he is desperate to find some work
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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2020, 05:23:20 am »
@Once-Ler

It is about time you, yes YOU, unveil your plan. To save us all.

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Re: Carville: 2020 Is ‘Going to Be a Democratic Wipeout’ — Voters Don’t Want Four More Years of Trum
« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2020, 05:33:28 am »
Quote from: truth_seeker on April 10, 2020, 08:11:32 pm
FWIW just listened to press conf. with Gov. Newsome in CA.

He said not a bad word about Trump, and was very complimentary about FEMA.

No Trump won't win CA.

The Governor of California.  We could go late into the morning describing his poor judgment.
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The Governor of California.  We could go late into the morning describing his poor judgment.

Answer this question. People bitch about the states having rights over the fed/gov.

Have your rights been abridged by the fed/gov or your state govt.?
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Nice to see that some things haven't changed. Jus' like in 2016, there seems to be a lot of people who are going to be heart broken in the Javitz Center when once again the Pantsuit Assassin loses.

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Quote from: mortarman on April 11, 2020, 07:22:06 am
Nice to see that some things haven't changed. Jus' like in 2016, there seems to be a lot of people who are going to be heart broken in the Javitz Center when once again the Pantsuit Assassin loses.

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Quote from: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 05:23:20 am
@Once-Ler

It is about time you, yes YOU, unveil your plan. To save us all.

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« Reply #18 on: April 11, 2020, 12:24:13 pm »
Fascinating....

how the tactics and narrative of the idiot left has seemingly and suddenly changed.

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Quote from: XenaLee on April 11, 2020, 12:24:13 pm
Fascinating....

how the tactics and narrative of the idiot left has seemingly and suddenly changed.

@XenaLee

They are nothing,if not flexible,when there is an election to win.
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Quote from: Once-Ler on April 11, 2020, 10:42:17 am
@bigheadfred
Alcohol is a disinfectant.  Keep your blood alcohol levels above .10% at all times.  Orange juice or tomato juice for vitamin C.

Past that I like President Trump's approach.

I don't give a flying rats ass about your 'medical' advice or your likes.

Don't tell me. Tell us all. You can do it. Save us all.

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Quote from: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 05:23:20 am
@Once-Ler

It is about time you, yes YOU, unveil your plan. To save us all.

Happy Easter!
Quote from: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 03:33:38 pm
I don't give a flying rats ass about your 'medical' advice or your likes.

Don't tell me. Tell us all. You can do it. Save us all.

Sorry I didn't understand your question at first.  You could try Abilify or Zyprexa
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Quote from: TomSea on April 10, 2020, 07:25:21 pm
It's a political football, sad, COVID-19. Even if Trump had put every measure in place back in Feb., people would be saying "oh, look, more people die from the flu" and things like that.

The bad thing about Biden is that is China friendly, so, just for that alone, I will support Trump.

I would rather have 4 more years of a big mouth that Trump is versus a single day of Slow Joe
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Quote from: bigheadfred on April 11, 2020, 05:47:00 am
Answer this question. People bitch about the states having rights over the fed/gov.

Have your rights been abridged by the fed/gov or your state govt.?

Well, by both.  Trump cannot mandate a national stay at home order - but he has suggested it to the states and most governors have followed through with his suggested.
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« Reply #24 on: April 11, 2020, 04:38:10 pm »
Quote from: Gemmarose on April 11, 2020, 04:25:54 pm
I would rather have 4 more years of a big mouth that Trump is versus a single day of Slow Joe

Trump's big mouth?   Let's see, Warren, AOC, Pelosi, Hillary, Auntie Maxine, -- to me their mouths are even bigger.
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