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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #625 on: April 06, 2020, 02:29:46 pm »
81,766 COVID-19 deaths in USA projected by August 4, 2020
https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections

This site gives state-by-state projections, but I have no idea whether they should be relied upon.
Well, they are screwy for ND so far. They are showing more deaths per day then the cumulative, here.
(3 cumulative actual so far, Projected, added together through April 5 is 30, off by a factor of 10)
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #626 on: April 06, 2020, 02:37:44 pm »
Healthcare in Germany is superior.  That simple.

Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less.  They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.

The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise.  I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #627 on: April 06, 2020, 02:45:28 pm »
Healthcare in Germany is superior.  That simple.

Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less.  They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.

The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise.  I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.

There is one more factor.
At then beginning anyway, Germany was only counting deaths due to COVID-19 if the person died in the hospital, and if there we no underlying conditions.
That is what accounted for them having such a low death rate in the beginning.
With 80 million people, they have 100,000 cases now, which on par with the US 330 million population, and 337K cases.
I work for German company, and while their medical treatment is quite good, it's no better or worse than our own.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #628 on: April 06, 2020, 03:15:54 pm »
Healthcare in Germany is superior.  That simple.

Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less.  They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.

The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise.  I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.

The USA has the highest overall cancer survival rate in the world.

Period.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #629 on: April 06, 2020, 03:24:02 pm »
Want to add more Chicom fishy data to this event?

https://forextv.com/market-news/only-9-of-the-worlds-top-100-billionaires-have-gotten-richer-during-the-pandemic-and-all-are-chinese/

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But over the past two months, more than $400 billion has vanished from the pocketbooks of the world’s richest 100 billionaires. That means all their gains over the last two and half years have evaporated during this crisis, according to a new report by wealth-list compiler Hurun Research.

Nearly all of the 100 tycoons lost money during this period, from Jan. 31 to Mar. 31 — lots of money. Only nine didn’t, and most striking, all nine are Chinese.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #630 on: April 06, 2020, 03:33:21 pm »
Want to add more Chicom fishy data to this event?

https://forextv.com/market-news/only-9-of-the-worlds-top-100-billionaires-have-gotten-richer-during-the-pandemic-and-all-are-chinese/

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But over the past two months, more than $400 billion has vanished from the pocketbooks of the world’s richest 100 billionaires. That means all their gains over the last two and half years have evaporated during this crisis, according to a new report by wealth-list compiler Hurun Research.

Nearly all of the 100 tycoons lost money during this period, from Jan. 31 to Mar. 31 — lots of money. Only nine didn’t, and most striking, all nine are Chinese.

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It would be interesting to see how Soros did during this crisis.  Bet he is making money....

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #631 on: April 06, 2020, 04:03:52 pm »
I've heard bad and good about Bill Gates in the last few weeks.  A lot of conspiracy-type theories around. Here is an article from the mainstream press, I heard something about this yesterday. He's also wanting?? What a 10-week lockdown I believe.

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Bill Gates is spending billions to produce 7 potential coronavirus vaccines
The billionaire told The Daily Show the move will waste billions of dollars, but will save precious time.
By   Joseph Guzman

Story at a glance

    Gates said that at most his foundation would end up picking two out of the seven vaccine candidates.

    That means billions of dollars spent on manufacturing would be abandoned.

    He said it’s worth it, as the world is in a situation where the economy is losing trillions of dollars.

Microsoft founder and billionaire philanthropist Bill Gates said his foundation is funding the construction of factories that will manufacture seven promising coronavirus vaccines.

Read more at: https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/491006-bill-gates-is-funding-factories-for-7-potential





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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #632 on: April 06, 2020, 04:11:14 pm »
Healthcare in Germany is superior.  That simple.

Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less.  They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.

The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise.  I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.

It only seems that way because in America every child goes to high school and in Germany only the best students do and the rest are sent to some form of vocational training.

If we only tested the top students in America, the comparison would be more accurate.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #633 on: April 06, 2020, 04:32:16 pm »
"Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients"

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/

The above is troubling...

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #634 on: April 06, 2020, 04:44:32 pm »

(Posted this on the Texas thread, thought others might benefit too)

Here is my checklist ordering pizza, and  grocery pickups too for that matter.  (Kind of an offshoot of my health department and laboratory days as a youngster)

1. Pre-sterilize staging station in kitchen. I use a cloth wipe and 10% bleach solution in spray bottle.  Have egresses like doors open @delivery so knobs are not cross contaminated.
2. Like Papa Johns or others have the delivery placed on a pedestal, and have them back off 10 feet.
3. Take box(es) to disinfection station.
4. Double wipe each box with bleach solution, with box at least getting moist at every point, and a one second contact all 100% of the surface.  Including bottoms of box.
5. Open disinfected boxes, and wth thongs,
6. Re-disinfect thongs, and relocate each piece to a clean household container. Close and refigerate what you don't use.
7. After all pieces have been relocated, and making sure door egress is open, move empty boxes to trash recepticle.
8. Disnfect all door knobs and staging station with bleach solution.
9. Wash hands per CDC guidelines.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #635 on: April 06, 2020, 05:05:25 pm »
For unvaccinated, we are looking at a winter of severe illness and death — if you’re unvaccinated — for themselves, their families, and the hospitals they’ll soon overwhelm. Sloe Joe Biteme 12/16
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #636 on: April 06, 2020, 05:10:09 pm »
"Mysterious Heart Damage, Not Just Lung Troubles, Befalling COVID-19 Patients"

https://khn.org/news/mysterious-heart-damage-not-just-lung-troubles-befalling-covid-19-patients/

The above is troubling...

Yes, there is a lot we don't know and I don't think we want to find out too late.

Some of these are Chinese studies, so with those, there is a bit of room for disbelief with me.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #637 on: April 06, 2020, 05:22:05 pm »
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #638 on: April 06, 2020, 05:23:25 pm »


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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #639 on: April 06, 2020, 05:42:10 pm »
Dr. Fauci is the "leading expert" on infectious diseases and has served under six presidents.  He is used to going through the protocols of research and testing and it seems to me, because of his background and reputation, he doesn't want to just go ahead and randomly suggest that chloroquine or hydroxycholorquine and other drugs will work in treating this virus especially since the drugs are being used off label.  IMHO I think he's letting his reputation and years of experience interfere with telling the medical profession to use it as a last resort to save lives.  There is a possibility that he is also perhaps letting politics play a role in all of this as well.

I first heard about Dr. Fauci when Reagan was President. He was one of the first people to figure out what was happening with AIDS.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #640 on: April 06, 2020, 05:46:25 pm »
Tiger at Bronx Zoo Tests Positive for Coronavirus

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Zoo officials said Nadia and six other large cats have developed a dry cough, but are all expected to recover

Published April 5, 2020   â€¢ Updated on April 6, 2020 at 12:33 am
A 4-year-old Malayan tiger at the Bronx Zoo has tested positive for COVID-19, the zoo announced Sunday. It is the first instance of a tiger testing positive for the virus, the USDA said.

Nadia, the COVID-19 positive tiger, was exposed by an asymptomatic worker, the zoo said. The zoo says "appropriate preventative measures" have been implemented to care for the cats and minimize further exposure.



https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coronavirus/tiger-at-bronx-zoo-tests-positive-for-coronavirus/2360876/


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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #641 on: April 06, 2020, 06:42:44 pm »
Healthcare in Germany is superior.  That simple.

Don't know if it still is true, but back in early 1990s, a friend that had two forms of terminal cancer said that in the USA, only 42% of people benefit from therapies for cancer, whereas in Germany, I believe it was 78% were benefited by therapies for cancer, with chemo and radiation being used far less.  They applied a more homeopathic approach to fighting cancer he told me.

The Germans doing things better than the USA is no surprise.  I think their education system is far superior to that in the USA.

No it's not superior.  Spent from 2010 - 2016 over there.  It's a government run/mandatory insurance hybrid.  And if you've got the $$$$ or military insurance you're good to go.  If you don't have either of those the level of care depends on what you can afford.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #642 on: April 06, 2020, 06:43:42 pm »
No it's not superior.  Spent from 2010 - 2016 over there.  It's a government run/mandatory insurance hybrid.  And if you've got the $$$$ or military insurance you're good to go.  If you don't have either of those the level of care depends on what you can afford.

Sounds a tad like Canada doesn't it?
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #643 on: April 06, 2020, 07:40:23 pm »
Sounds a tad like Canada doesn't it?

It is to a certain extent.  It's the only care system I've ever seen where the family brings the patient food from the house if they want to eat on a regular basis.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #644 on: April 06, 2020, 08:26:58 pm »
(Posted this on the Texas thread, thought others might benefit too)

Here is my checklist ordering pizza, and  grocery pickups too for that matter.  (Kind of an offshoot of my health department and laboratory days as a youngster)

1. Pre-sterilize staging station in kitchen. I use a cloth wipe and 10% bleach solution in spray bottle.  Have egresses like doors open @delivery so knobs are not cross contaminated.
2. Like Papa Johns or others have the delivery placed on a pedestal, and have them back off 10 feet.
3. Take box(es) to disinfection station.
4. Double wipe each box with bleach solution, with box at least getting moist at every point, and a one second contact all 100% of the surface.  Including bottoms of box.
5. Open disinfected boxes, and wth thongs,
6. Re-disinfect thongs, and relocate each piece to a clean household container. Close and refigerate what you don't use.
7. After all pieces have been relocated, and making sure door egress is open, move empty boxes to trash recepticle.
8. Disnfect all door knobs and staging station with bleach solution.
9. Wash hands per CDC guidelines.

Good info.  Thanks!
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #645 on: April 06, 2020, 08:32:08 pm »
Just a fact for the need for additional hospital beds:

In addition to the fact that thousands of people are being hospitalized for COVID, part of the reason for the need for additional beds, and why health care officials are trying to slow the spread by social distancing and restrictions is because of the extended stay in the hospital for COVID 19.

The average stay in a hospital for a patient is THREE days.
The average stay for COVID is TWENTY days.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that increased hospitalizations take up many extra beds that would normally be vacated in roughly a sixth of the time.

While hospitals increase capacity and are using other facilities for patients, the social distancing we are doing is giving them more time and because of that saving lives, not only of the patients, but of the healthcare workers who are putting themselves in danger by caring for them.

So keep up what you're doing in staying home.

It's having an effect.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #646 on: April 06, 2020, 08:42:15 pm »
"I wish it need not have happened in my time," said Frodo.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #647 on: April 06, 2020, 08:46:41 pm »


@Bigun Dr. Birx is part of that group too.
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« Reply #648 on: April 06, 2020, 08:47:57 pm »
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion 2
« Reply #649 on: April 06, 2020, 08:59:59 pm »
From a Twitter Thread by Sean Davis of the Federalist shows how off the IMHE (Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation) models being touted in panic stories everywhere are extremely off.


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On April 2, IMHE predicted that 4,158 people in Florida would be hospitalized right now due to the coronavirus. The actual number of hospitalizations in Florida? 1,572. The "new" IMHE model claims 4,037 Floridians will be hospitalized by th end of the day. Utter nonsense.



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On April 2, IMHE predicted that 72,177 New Yorkers would be hospitalized today due to the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number? 28,092.



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On April 2, IMHE predicted that 4,621 people in Georgia would be hospitalized today because of the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number right now? 1,296.



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IMHE predicted on April 2 that 7,160 people in Louisiana would be hospitalized today because of the Wuhan coronavirus. The actual number right now? 1,803.


https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/04/06/utter-nonsense-sean-davis-takes-imhe-covid-models-apart-with-examples-of-hot-spot-states-in-must-read-thread/



The notices for such high numbers are many and none of them are good for anyone except the politicians that will seize on them either way for their own purposes.

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