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Vietnam Jails Two Hmong Men For Life in Alleged Campaign to Set up Separate Ethnic State
2020-03-19


Three ethnic Hmong men captured by police in Gia Lai province in Vietnam’s Central Highlands, March 19, 2020.
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A Vietnamese court sentenced two Hmong ethnic minority men to life in prison Wednesday for attempting to overthrow the state and establish a separate state in a rural district of northwestern Vietnam, government media and local police reported.

Sung A Sinh, 37, and Lau A Lenh, 49, were found guilty of masterminding a plan to establish a Hmong state in the Muong Nhe district of Dien Bien province between August 2018 and March 2019, and of manipulating others to achieve their goal. They also sought to issue their own currency and build an army, the court said.

A radio report on the sentencing by the Voice of Vietnam quoted the presiding judge as saying that the pair’s activities were “dangerous to the society, infringing upon the political regime of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam,” according to Reuters.

Read more at: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/vietnam/hmong-sentenced-03192020164642.html



For the most part, Hmong in Vietnam are a different tribe than the Hmong in Laos, whom we have here but there's probably some overlap.  Still, I guess, one people.

Harsh sentences, sometimes they call Vietnam a Stalinist State... where are the human rights people??

And curiously, sort of our friend now, especially with the major power of China over there.

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The yards and the Viets have been dancing this dance for hundreds of years. At times it was acceptable for the Viets to shoot yards on sight.

The yard tribes mostly stayed in the remote mountainous areas,and the Viets populated the flat lands and the sea shore.

Then the VN war started up after WW-2 ended,and the NVN started enslaving yards to use as laborers to help build the Ho Chi Mihn Trail.
Lots/most of the yards fled the mountains to avoid the NVN,but remained close to them on the VN side of the Laotian and Cambodian borders.

Traditionally they never had any interest in mixing with people outside of their own tribes. Not even other yard tribes.

The NVN invasion of SVN ended their isolation. They had no choice but to fight or become extinct.

The funny part is the yards that worked with SF were very highly paid by VN standards,and at least one of the yards on my recon team was using the money he earned to send two younger brothers to school in Japan. I have no idea how he pulled that off given the Japanese dislike of non-Japanese,but he did.

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I didn't think there were anymore Hmoung or Montengards left in Southeast Asia. I would've thought the Vietnamese an' the Kmer Rouge had ethnically cleansed the area after the fall of Saigon.

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I didn't think there were anymore Hmoung or Montengards left in Southeast Asia. I would've thought the Vietnamese an' the Kmer Rouge had ethnically cleansed the area after the fall of Saigon.

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Lots of them did come to the states,primarily the ones who worked with SF,but that was only because individual SF men sponsored the ones and their families who worked with them.

Others,and I have no idea how many,just went back to the mountains,where it was more trouble than it was worth to track them down and send them to the re-education camps.

IIRC,VN is now a communist country in name only,and pretty much anyone can go anywhere they want to go.
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I want to make sure I reference this correctly,

White Hmong in Laos, .... they take their names I am told from the clothes they were there are even "flowery Hmong".
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Vietnam and Laos

The Hmong groups in Vietnam and Laos, from the 18th century to the present day, are known as Black Hmong (Hmoob Dub), Striped Hmong (Hmoob Txaij), White Hmong (Hmoob Dawb), Leng Hmong (Hmoob Leeg) and Green Hmong (Hmoob Ntsuab). In other places in Asia, groups are also known as Black Hmong (Hmoob Dub or Hmong Dou), Striped Hmong (Hmoob Txaij or Hmoob Quas Npab), Hmong Shi, Hmong Pe, Hmong Pua, and Hmong Xau, Hmong Xanh (Green Hmong), Hmong Do (Red Hmong), Na Mieo and various other subgroups.[44] These include the Flower Hmong or the Variegated Hmong (Hmong Lenh or Hmong Hoa), so named because of their bright, colorful embroidery work (called pa ndau or paj ntaub, literally "flower cloth").[45]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hmong_people#Vietnam_and_Laos

Then, at the bottom of the page, it says this in references:

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W.R. Geddes. Migrants of the Mountains: The Cultural Ecology of the Blue Miao (Hmong Njua) of Thailand. Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1976.

Blue Hmong or Blue Miao (Miao is Hmong in China).... but if I see a Miao in China (it is spelled differently there) vs. a Hmong in Laos,  clothes may be similar but they may appear different, say, as in Latin Americans, Mexicans, El Salvadorans and so often, often are distinguishable from where they come from.

This all gets too involved, Hmong or Miao are also related to some other ethnic "hill tribe", I forget the name.

There's lots of hill tribes over there, just like you mentioned, Montagnards, the Karen people of whom we have spoken of and so on.

Here this picture says it is of Hmong in Thailand, so they are there too;
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https://allpointseast.com/blog/tour-info/thailand/blue-hmong/

The Blue Hmong of Thailand
    15 March 2011
    Posted by Mark Ord

According to this article the word for blue and green is the same in Hmong, though I reckon that probably depends on which Hmong dialect one’s referring to and our White Hmong mate says that’s nonsense! There is certainly some confusion between Green and Blue Hmong though, and indeed the aforementioned article also categorizes the Black Hmong of Sapa as belonging to the Blue Hmong linguistic group. (Though Vietnamese local guides will tell you there are ‘Blue’ villages near Dien Bien Phu and Son La?)The Blue Hmong of Thailand


Just that little bit tells one how it is complicated.

Cambodia, yes, apparently the page below does say they do have some Hmong.
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Ethnic groups in Cambodia
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The largest of the ethnic groups in Cambodia are the Khmer, who comprise approximately 90% of the total population and primarily inhabit the lowland Mekong subregion and the central plains.

The page also says they have some Yao, now I remember, that's the group that is a bit related to the Hmong.

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The origins of the Yao can be traced back 2000 years starting in Hunan. The Yao and Hmong were among the rebels during the Miao Rebellions against the Ming dynasty. As the Han Chinese expanded into South China, the Yao retreated into the highlands between Hunan and Guizhou to the north and Guangdong and Guangxi to the south, and stretching into eastern Yunnan.[1] Around 1890, the Guangdong government started taking action against Yao in northwestern Guangdong.[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yao_people#Early_history

See, it's lots of study, both Miao and Yao per above, migrated out of China, mainly from what I know is because they were persecuted.

Miao moved out of China and simplifying, then become the Hmong... and that above, I'm sure, is pretty complex at that even.


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