Doctors Treating Coronavirus Told to Discriminate Against Elderly Patients: They “Will be Left to Di

[Hoodat]

Seems like the UK has some work to do, though I wouldn't say you've established a norm with stats and studies like I asked. Public approval is still high though. Got anything from Germany? Israel? Scandinavia?

It'd be cool if you could limit far right websites that will have an obvious objective bias too.

The Guardian, the Independent, and the Telegraph are far right websites?

[musiclady]

The Guardian, the Independent, and the Telegraph are far right websites?

He's here for the fight............. not to learn.

[Dexter]

The Guardian, the Independent, and the Telegraph are far right websites?

The top one with the most horrifying title is.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/townhall/

The others? I said the UK (one nation) has some work to do, though public approval is still high and they would never consider doing it our way. How about the rest of my post? You have not established what I asked you to and how I asked you to.

[Dexter]

He's here for the fight............. not to learn.

The peanut gallery has arrived.

[musiclady]

The peanut gallery has arrived.

I've been here discussing the issue like an adult, not like a child playing a game.

btw, gaslighting only means I'm making you THINK you're crazy.

The actual circumstances are quite different,  and I think pretty much everyone on this forum agrees.   

[Dexter]

btw, gaslighting only means I'm making you THINK you're crazy.

Gaslighting means you're attempting to rewrite reality and make me question myself.

I think pretty much everyone on this forum agrees.   

Not a very diverse opinion pool to be fair.

[musiclady]

Gaslighting means you're attempting to rewrite reality and make me question myself.

Not a very diverse opinion pool to be fair.

I guess you're not as much a movie buff as I thought you were.....

And you're right about the lack of "diversity" here.

We're all Conservative, at least to one degree or the other.

There's nary a Socialist/Eugenicist/Ageist bigot among us.....

Cept you.

[Hoodat]

Lessons from Sweden’s Universal Health System:
Tales from the Health-care Crypt

Attitudes towards priority-setting and rationing in healthcare -- an exploratory survey of Swedish medical students.

Socialized Medicine: A Dose of Reality

Rationing Health Care in Germany: Constitutional Opportunities and Limits

Priority-setting and rationing in German health care

Half of Italy 'rationing' health care due to economic crisis

[Dexter]

Lessons from Sweden’s Universal Health System:
Tales from the Health-care Crypt

Attitudes towards priority-setting and rationing in healthcare -- an exploratory survey of Swedish medical students.

Socialized Medicine: A Dose of Reality

Rationing Health Care in Germany: Constitutional Opportunities and Limits

Priority-setting and rationing in German health care

Half of Italy 'rationing' health care due to economic crisis

So why are there no serious talks among Swedes, Brits, Germans or anybody with national healthcare about ending national healthcare? They only seem interested in further improving their national healthcare.

[truth_seeker]

I'm feeling pretty positive, actually.

Notice how some think they can read minds, and try to put words in others' mouths?

I suppose it is the straw man move.

[skeeter]

So why are there no serious talks among Swedes, Brits, Germans or anybody with national healthcare about ending national healthcare? They only seem interested in further improving their national healthcare.

Surely you do not expect the national leaders to talk of ending a system from which they benefit and personally are exempt.

I suspect there is plenty of talk among the 'little people' who have to suffer under their respective systems but who will speak for them?

[GtHawk]

Its always those who aren't elderly who think questions such as 'should elderly receive treatment' even be asked.

Maybe it'd be useful for them to erase 'elderly' and imagine another adjective in its place.

It's kind of funny reading some of the comments here right now, my mom is 88 and has a mild flu (fingers crossed) and Kaiser is calling her to check on her.......for no reason other than she is elderly and this Coronavirus is deadly for her demographic. Sure doesn't sound like American healthcare is  looking to implement the kind of elderly euthanasia some here are effectively advocating for.

[skeeter]

It's kind of funny reading some of the comments here right now, my mom is 88 and has a mild flu (fingers crossed) and Kaiser is calling her to check on her.......for no reason other than she is elderly and this Coronavirus is deadly for her demographic. Sure doesn't sound like American healthcare is  looking to implement the kind of elderly euthanasia some here are effectively advocating for.

THAT is the best indication of an advanced, civilized society - how they treat their most vulnerable.

[Dexter]

I suspect there is plenty of talk among the 'little people' who have to suffer under their respective systems but who will speak for them?

Public approval of healthcare in Scandinavian nations is around 90%. I think in Finland it's almost 94%. In the others it's not that high, but still much higher than in the U.S. That's what I have been trying to say. The people that live there are in general happy with their healthcare. Of course there will be outliers and anecdotes, but they are few and far between.

[skeeter]

Public approval of healthcare in Scandinavian nations is around 90%. I think in Finland it's almost 94%. In the others it's not that high, but still much higher than in the U.S. That's what I have been trying to say. The people that live there are in general happy with their healthcare. Of course there will be outliers and anecdotes, but they are few and far between.

Finland's mortality rates are about equal to our's, in spite of our added disadvantage of being much larger, and of absorbing hundreds of thousands of poor migrants from disease ridden countries every year.

I'm sure if we weren't so generous with our immigration policies we'd have a better system than their's by any metric.

[Dexter]

There's nary a Socialist/Eugenicist/Ageist bigot among us.....

Cept you.

I suspected you hadn't actually outgrown the childish ad hominems you were famous for when I first got here.

[LMAO]

THAT is the best indication of an advanced, civilized society - how they treat their most vulnerable.

What happens when the ability to pay runs out? Demographics alone threaten the sustainability of public healthcare programs. Now this virus isn’t helping matters. Do you spend limited healthcare resources treating 80-90 year olds at the expense of younger people?

I’m not advocating any policy. Just throwing these questions out there

[Dexter]

I'm sure if we weren't so generous with our immigration policies we'd have a better system than their's by any metric.

Weird that public approval is so high there and so low here, huh? 

[Dexter]

THAT is the best indication of an advanced, civilized society - how they treat their most vulnerable.

Oh? In the states poor people suffer and die when they can't afford things like cancer medications/treatment. We also still have a lot of homeless veterans with untreated PTSD even though it's apparently a bipartisan desire to help them (yeah, right).

[skeeter]

What happens when the ability to pay runs out? Demographics alone threaten the sustainability of public healthcare programs. Now this virus isn’t helping matters. Do you spend limited healthcare resources treating 80-90 year olds at the expense of younger people?

You treat each patient based upon need regardless of age. You know, as every doctor swears to do when they receive their credential.

Or be willing to personally look the people you are planning to set aside to die and tell them so.

[LMAO]

Weird that public approval is so high there and so low here, huh? 

Weird that the public’s approval of their own health insurance is high here, huh? O

[skeeter]

Oh? In the states poor people suffer and die when they can't afford things like cancer medications/treatment. We also still have a lot of homeless veterans with untreated PTSD even though it's apparently a bipartisan desire to help them (yeah, right).

You mean those homeless vets who are forced to rely on a government mandated healthcare system.

[Dexter]

You mean those homeless vets who are forced to rely on a government mandated healthcare system.

They're forced? Nah, I don't think so. Why don't they just take advantage of our amazingly great and accessible private healthcare?

[LMAO]

You treat each patient based upon need regardless of age. You know, as every doctor swears to do when they receive their credential.

Or be willing to personally look the people you are planning to set aside to die and tell them so.

But there isn’t an unlimited supply of dollars for healthcare. Do you spend more treating the elderly at the expense of the young?

[truth_seeker]

Do what the ERs do (or are supposed to do).   Give critical care to those most in need of critical care and/or those that are the most vulnerable ....and let the younger, healthier patients, whose immune systems are stronger, wait for care at a later time, if still needed.

ERs, Paramedics, field battlefiels hospitals, medics and corpsmen, learn and practice Triage.

Go back and reread the article, citing ONE Doctor, and ONE report, which is intended to tug at heartstrings, but nothing more.

Meanwhile each time there's a multi-car crash with multiple injured, the EMT makes the same split second judgments. He learned them during training.

Allocation of limited medical resources, means making tough dcisions.

Gullible easily manippulated readers?