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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #75 on: March 15, 2020, 12:26:20 am »
LOL! Just kidding around... I wouldn't be a redneck boy without a bandana sized hanky... Actually two- One clean one to offer the lady... Actually three if you count the one that's being a bandana.  :shrug:

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« Reply #76 on: March 15, 2020, 12:30:28 am »
Well I have heard that toilet paper is digestible so if you run out of food there is that

I went to the store early this morning to pick up some milk, check to see if any hand sanitizer was available. I got up early to get to the store when they opened.  What a zoo!!  Food supply wasn't too bad, but tp, paper towels were available (limit 1 per customer) and going very quickly, but hand sanitizer was still not available and disinfecting wipes were flying off the shelves. I left around 8:30 and those shelves were completely bare by then.  Food stock next door was ok, but not as stocked as usual. I feel for the people who waited later in the day to shop or had to work.  The shelves will be bare unless they get another truck in -- my guess, probably not till Monday.

I'm staying put and not venturing out any more.  I've got lots of powdered milk that I'll start using as well as plenty of food and paper goods.  I have an older large bottle of hand sanitizer that has expired and read that it would be no good -- so if I don't go out -- don't need the sanitizer. 
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« Reply #77 on: March 15, 2020, 04:59:25 am »
I went to the store early this morning to pick up some milk, check to see if any hand sanitizer was available. I got up early to get to the store when they opened.  What a zoo!!  Food supply wasn't too bad, but tp, paper towels were available (limit 1 per customer) and going very quickly, but hand sanitizer was still not available and disinfecting wipes were flying off the shelves. I left around 8:30 and those shelves were completely bare by then.  Food stock next door was ok, but not as stocked as usual. I feel for the people who waited later in the day to shop or had to work.  The shelves will be bare unless they get another truck in -- my guess, probably not till Monday.

I'm staying put and not venturing out any more.  I've got lots of powdered milk that I'll start using as well as plenty of food and paper goods.  I have an older large bottle of hand sanitizer that has expired and read that it would be no good -- so if I don't go out -- don't need the sanitizer.

We don't go out much...tonight was an exception.  GOP District fundraiser.  Our speakers were both no-shows.  One was Paul Gosar, who self-quarantened in DeeCee and the other was the State Attorney General, who backed out because the State Party didn't want him crossing the river into Nevada right now, which was where the fundraiser is. (All the good ballrooms are in Laughlin, NV and we're on the other side of the Colorado River in AZ.)  My County Supervisor friend didn't come because her boyfriend exposed her to something worse than COVID, which is bad.

Turn out was good, the Auction and Raffles raised a bunch of money, so it's all good.  Now, back to the kitties and our full pantry for a while.   888tapping cat 88888walking kitty 8888sitting kitty 8888spinning cat 8889whatkitty 888heartkitty ***evilkitty
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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #78 on: March 15, 2020, 11:56:04 am »


@mystery-ak

Never seen such abuse of power by a moderator on a forum  There were no personal attacks.  I was bringing up the point that indiviudal was fanning the flames of a panic with their 24/7 alarmist rhetoric, while in essence......  There has not been one single fatality in this country of COVID-19 of anyone who is either under 50 and /or pre-existing conditions.

Yes, this is a serious matter, but contributing to the mania is not helpful.
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« Reply #79 on: March 15, 2020, 12:41:48 pm »
40 Americans dead to date.  Panic all you want.  2017-2018 flu killed 80,000 Americans.  How did you act two years ago? Did YOU take that "seriously"?  No.

I don't know why you are accusing me of panicking. I haven't gone shopping in several weeks and do not plan on shopping until things calm down. Until then I'll just get what I need at the local convenience store. You seem to be the one over reacting just because some people are taking very reasonable precautions to keep themselves and their families safe.

As I have said we do not know yet exactly what we are dealing with. Until we know more it is wise to be cautious.  An oz of prevention is worth a lb of cure.

FYI the number of dead is now 60+ with almost 3,000 confirmed cases.

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« Reply #80 on: March 15, 2020, 01:04:05 pm »
@mystery-ak

Never seen such abuse of power by a moderator on a forum  There were no personal attacks.  I was bringing up the point that indiviudal was fanning the flames of a panic with their 24/7 alarmist rhetoric, while in essence......  There has not been one single fatality in this country of COVID-19 of anyone who is either under 50 and /or pre-existing conditions.

Yes, this is a serious matter, but contributing to the mania is not helpful.

Calling someone "chicken little" and accusing them of trying to stir panic is a personal attack,
this is the news.

And so what about there not being one single fatality in this country of COVID-19 of anyone who is either 50 and/or pre-existing conditions. Big deal.

Talk is Italy took this lightly, people did not worry about it and now they are in very serious shape.  With that view, we could follow and that is besides the point of having to use respirators, defibrillators,  hospital beds, so really,  your point isn't really that relevant in dealing with the crises.

And the rest I'll drop though, it can be refuted as well.  Time to talk about the subjects and not trying to slight others. 

If one keeps up this disruption, perhaps, there will be more postings deleted.




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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #81 on: March 15, 2020, 01:09:14 pm »
40 Americans dead to date.  Panic all you want.  2017-2018 flu killed 80,000 Americans.  How did you act two years ago? Did YOU take that "seriously"?  No.


Panicking and buying oversupplies of toilet paper, water and food is not "caution." It is silliness prompted by Fake News.


My but aren't you clever.  "Breathe through your nose" is a phrase meant to convey calm, rather than panic, when people hyperventilate and breathe through their open mouths.  Why don't you look up the etiology. I already know what it means.

There is chatter, I can't confirm it but that Italy is having it's very serious problems now, because they did not take the threat seriously.

I don't know about panicking or not, we can not be sure either way but those saying, "oh, let's not worry about it",  per some people, that's what Italy did. Now look at them?  And then, look at Taiwan or look at South Korea? The latter two took it very seriously.

I'm not trying to persuade anyone one way or another, I will discuss the matter and give my view on what I think we should be doing.

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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #82 on: March 15, 2020, 01:21:55 pm »
250?  Yes, and that is sad.  Again, though what was the demographic?  The very old, and the very ill are very susceptible.

I've read that Italy is fighting against tidal wave of unhealthy demographics @catfish1957

What I'm not reading is any first hand reporting on the efficiency and accessibility of Italy's socialized medicine.  I'd like to know more about this before the democrats use the coronavirus as evidence the US needs government run healthcare.

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« Reply #83 on: March 15, 2020, 01:23:34 pm »


If one keeps up this disruption, perhaps, there will be more postings deleted.

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From. a "BIASED" moderator who has a history of accusing people who didn't support Trump in '16 as the same as alQaeda and the Taliban?  You thought I forgot about that one didn't you?

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« Reply #84 on: March 15, 2020, 01:24:10 pm »
There is chatter, I can't confirm it but that Italy is having it's very serious problems now, because they did not take the threat seriously.

This really isn't accurate.  Italy's problems are not because of timing ... but because their population is senior and unhealthy.

They also believe in hugs and kisses ... and can comfortably live a full day without touching soap.






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« Reply #85 on: March 15, 2020, 01:28:03 pm »
I've read that Italy is fighting against tidal wave of unhealthy demographics @catfish1957

What I'm not reading is any first hand reporting on the efficiency and accessibility of Italy's socialized medicine.  I'd like to know more about this before the democrats use the coronavirus as evidence the US needs government run healthcare.


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The dims have already used this issue for political gain.  Friday, NY's governenor even slipped and said this crisis might just go another 8 or 9 months.  That was no accident.  If there is any way they can angle this for their advantage they will.
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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #86 on: March 15, 2020, 01:29:55 pm »
We will allow this thread to remain open and posted too as a single posting, "Calm Down etc. etc.", but at some point, it probably would be best to merge any coronavirus thread into one big one.  That may be days away.

It's okay but let's remember, post #1 has no link, no real source...I do see it seems to be something that is going around being posted.
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The claim originated from a post (archived here) published by Kristin Flor on March 9, 2020, under the title "Posted at a Doctors office today." It opened:

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    Every election year has a disease

    SARS - 2004
    AVIAN - 2008
    SWINE - 2010
    MERS - 2012
    EBOLA - 2014
    ZIKA - 2016
    EBOLA - 2018
    CORONA - 2020

The post presented a timeline of global outbreaks and tied them to corresponding election years in the United States. The problem with this approach is that most of the pandemics and epidemics originated outside North America. In some cases, the U.S. was not largely impacted by the disease outbreaks.

More: https://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3471876-fact-check-every-us-election-year-does-not-have-a-disease.html

Zika and Ebola did not really impact us nor the elections of that year. One can disagree.

Also, at the least, I think we knew there was a coronavirus case in early December 2019, so if we are talking about the coronavirus, one can easily say it starts in 2019.

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Coronavirus: First case in China emerged in November, nearly two months before official confirmation

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It is believed that the first double-digit daily toll occurred on December 17 and the total number of infections had increased to 266 by December 31.

More:  https://hoax-alert.leadstories.com/3471876-fact-check-every-us-election-year-does-not-have-a-disease.html

So, if one wants to run with the claim by saying "not officially diagnosed until January 7th, 2020" by the Chinese, fine....there is also the tale of those whistleblowers who started talking about this.

SARS is another one, I know we were hearing about it but does anyone really want to claim this had some sort of deep effect on the election? Like Kerry would have defeated Bush?

By this graphic, SARS started way before 2004, that election year.  First recognized by WHO in 2003


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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #87 on: March 15, 2020, 01:41:27 pm »
This really isn't accurate.  Italy's problems are not because of timing ... but because their population is senior and unhealthy.

They also believe in hugs and kisses ... and can comfortably live a full day without touching soap.

That might be true in southern Italy not in northern Italy where the people are more like the Austrians and the Germans. Northern Italy is populated by a modern, western people. I think we are getting a big clue of what could happen here if we are not careful.

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« Reply #88 on: March 15, 2020, 01:50:05 pm »
This really isn't accurate.  Italy's problems are not because of timing ... but because their population is senior and unhealthy.

They also believe in hugs and kisses ... and can comfortably live a full day without touching soap.

These are factors and the age issue has been discussed quite a bit in all of these threads.

I'm not sure one can discount what I said though. That a lot of them ignored the possibility.

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ITALY “AT THE LIMIT”

Italy and South Korea are more than 5,000 miles apart, but there are several similarities when it comes to coronavirus. Both countries’ main outbreaks were initially clustered in smaller cities or towns, rather than in a major metropolis - which meant the disease quickly threatened local health services. And both involved doctors who decided to ignore testing guidelines.

Italy’s epidemic kicked off last month. A local man with flu symptoms was diagnosed after he had told medical staff he had not been to China and discharged himself, said Massimo Lombardo, head of local hospital services in Lodi.

https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKBN20Z285

Also, PhD, health professional mentioned this as well.  Italy probably didn't take it serious enough. That was already posted, here is her twitter:

https://twitter.com/JanieHsieh

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« Reply #89 on: March 15, 2020, 01:50:16 pm »
That might be true in southern Italy not in northern Italy where the people are more like the Austrians and the Germans. Northern Italy is populated by a modern, western people. I think we are getting a big clue of what could happen here if we are not careful.

With the singular exception of a near socialist government and a socialist medical system. Which is likely to be at fault.

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« Reply #90 on: March 15, 2020, 01:57:02 pm »
This is who posted it, Jenan Moussa:
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Italy reported its biggest day-to-day jump in cases of #COVID19.

3497 new cases - a 20% increase in 24 hrs.

Authorities cited irresponsible behavior by citizens, who despite warnings headed to beaches or ski resorts, especially after closure of schools.

Then, links to an AP article and it says exactly what she posted:
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The death toll rose by 175. A day earlier, the same authorities had predicted glumly that Italy would still see a jump in cases despite a national lockdown that began on March 9, barely two days after severe restrictions on personal movement in the north. They cited irresponsible behavior by many citizens, who despite the earlier warnings not to gather in large numbers, headed to beaches or ski resorts, and hung out together in town squares, especially after the closure of schools.

https://apnews.com/fd1743f8b54b17310cc6e4b3445f2914?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

So, the authorities said so.

What I said was accurate.

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« Reply #92 on: March 15, 2020, 02:47:26 pm »

Please don’t ridicule people for “overreacting” to the Chinese coronavirus. They’re just trying to protect their families, workers, students, athletes—all of us, really. Instead, think how you can help those in need.


Please don't ridicule Americans for loving freedom and common sense, as opposed to Leftists who are destroying America in countless ways.

Please don't spread the panic by your overreacting.   Here are some facts you continue to ignore:

1.  Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far.  Compare this to the 80,000 flu fatalities in 2017-2018 flu season and then continue your inane lecture on "overreacting".

2. How do we protect our families from Leftist insanity of socialism, Leftist brainwashing in public schools and universities, and Fake News' never-ending lies?  Tell the readers please.
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« Reply #93 on: March 15, 2020, 02:57:44 pm »
1.  Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far. 

56...57...58...59 since you last checked.

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« Reply #94 on: March 15, 2020, 02:58:44 pm »
Please don't ridicule Americans for loving freedom and common sense, as opposed to Leftists who are destroying America in countless ways.

Please don't spread the panic by your overreacting.   Here are some facts you continue to ignore:

1.  Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far.  Compare this to the 80,000 flu fatalities in 2017-2018 flu season and then continue your inane lecture on "overreacting".

2. How do we protect our families from Leftist insanity of socialism, Leftist brainwashing in public schools and universities, and Fake News' never-ending lies?  Tell the readers please.

One thing at a time.  And we have to see the inaccurate news stories to rebut them, so reporting on them is not "overreacting," it's just another workday on TBR.  It's what we do.  And, BTW, I think you are pretty good at it.  You're a valued Member of our Forum.  Your blogs are excellent!
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« Reply #95 on: March 15, 2020, 04:36:50 pm »
Please don't ridicule Americans for loving freedom and common sense, as opposed to Leftists who are destroying America in countless ways.

Please don't spread the panic by your overreacting.   Here are some facts you continue to ignore:

1.  Only 55 fatalities in the U.S. so far.  Compare this to the 80,000 flu fatalities in 2017-2018 flu season and then continue your inane lecture on "overreacting".

2. How do we protect our families from Leftist insanity of socialism, Leftist brainwashing in public schools and universities, and Fake News' never-ending lies?  Tell the readers please.

Again, saying someone is "overreacting" is not proper and that personalizes it some. Also, I think most of us are aware of the "only 55 fatalities", let's just say, a lot of the folks here are aware of the statistics.  So, this is just repeating what's in the thread already.

I don't find this to be a strong argument, what if someone turned the argument around and said, "this (and NOT your) kind of behavior will get millions killed!"

That's the flipside of the coin, we've seen it happen in Italy, China, Iran,  we've seen what can happen if it's left to fester. We have who I assume is Trump's own chosen Surgeon General, we have Senators Graham, Cruz, Scott all go into self-isolation or self-quarantine.  And the apparent point man for the Republicans, Tom Cotton, who seems to be driving a lot of the GOP response.

Also, for all of the talk about left wing socialism, imagine, imagine if the Chinese did this thing, even by accident. We let something the Chinese created create mayhem and kill our own citizens? That doesn't sound too patriotic to me.
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« Reply #96 on: March 15, 2020, 04:43:55 pm »
Russia and China specialize in disinformation.

Though, I don't think anyone here is doing it and I would not blame what they read to form their opinions or however they reach their conclusions, I do think it would be possible for a Russia or a China to spread disinformation on this.

I understand that Russia knows US political divisions and that they will exploit these divisions to create chaos.  If one researches the matter a bit deeply, one might see this.

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« Reply #97 on: March 15, 2020, 04:47:57 pm »
Russia and China specialize in disinformation.

Though, I don't think anyone here is doing it and I would not blame what they read to form their opinions or however they reach their conclusions, I do think it would be possible for a Russia or a China to spread disinformation on this.

I understand that Russia knows US political divisions and that they will exploit these divisions to create chaos.  If one researches the matter a bit deeply, one might see this.

One need not spend a lot of effort to see that.  There was an entire investigation and report by one Robert Mueller that demonstrated it in living color, for those who care to take off the partisan goggles long enough to read what was actually written in the report.  Russia likes to foment divisions in who they still consider to be a mortal enemy.  Well, DUH!
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« Reply #98 on: March 15, 2020, 04:48:38 pm »
Worldwide, the Recovery:Death ratio has risen to 12.7.  In Hubei province, it has reached 17.6.

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« Reply #99 on: March 15, 2020, 05:30:18 pm »

FYI the number of dead is now 60+ with almost 3,000 confirmed cases.

O.M.G. 60 DEAD ! ! ! ! ! 

Your panic is the creative fantasy of Fake News.  They simply love people such as you who quake at their lies.

Let me repeat again, because Panickers like you have yet to get the message: 
80,000 flu deaths in 2017-2018 flu season.

Got it?

You didn't stock up on crap and self quarantine then, but you do now.  Insane.
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