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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #50 on: March 14, 2020, 06:06:51 pm »
A couple of points here:

The cancellations of large group gatherings here in Ohio are not part of some government dictate.  They have been made out of thoughtfulness and care for the people involved.  Not panic, but concern for the safety of others.

Some things that have been canceled locally voluntarily:

Private schools run by Christians and/or Conservatives
Church services with Christian and politically Conservative pastors, including community lunches changed from gatherings to food boxes for the needy
Concerts
Athletic events
The local Salvation Army is considering adapting its food ministry.
The local Fitness Center has cancelled group classes while keeping the gym open and requesting that the cleanliness always expected continues.


Gov. DeWine (who is not my favorite politician) has suggested that things be cancelled for the next few weeks, but there is no government mandate forcing it.

This is a very real health situation, and taking care to minimize social contact is just the kind, considerate thing to do.

Turning it into a media or leftist conspiracy doesn't consider that well read, thoughtful Conservatives are part of the decisions to cancel and postpone events.

The left is certainly blowing it up and trying to use it against Republicans, but once things have calmed down, I think people will respect the decisions leaders of churches and schools and community events have made.
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I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #51 on: March 14, 2020, 06:25:12 pm »
A couple of points here:

The cancellations of large group gatherings here in Ohio are not part of some government dictate.  They have been made out of thoughtfulness and care for the people involved.  Not panic, but concern for the safety of others.

Some things that have been canceled locally voluntarily:

Private schools run by Christians and/or Conservatives
Church services with Christian and politically Conservative pastors, including community lunches changed from gatherings to food boxes for the needy
Concerts
Athletic events
The local Salvation Army is considering adapting its food ministry.
The local Fitness Center has cancelled group classes while keeping the gym open and requesting that the cleanliness always expected continues.


Gov. DeWine (who is not my favorite politician) has suggested that things be cancelled for the next few weeks, but there is no government mandate forcing it.

This is a very real health situation, and taking care to minimize social contact is just the kind, considerate thing to do.

Turning it into a media or leftist conspiracy doesn't consider that well read, thoughtful Conservatives are part of the decisions to cancel and postpone events.

The left is certainly blowing it up and trying to use it against Republicans, but once things have calmed down, I think people will respect the decisions leaders of churches and schools and community events have made.
I am not against taking measures, voluntarily, to limit interpersonal contact and community exposure, simply because doing so will reduce the speed with which the pathogen enters and infects people. This is prudent, at least among populations which seem to be most at risk.

However, dashing off to the nearest store to strip the shelves of toilet paper, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, surgical masks, etc., is a fool's errand. Consider that nonsense only increases the number of people who will not have access to these products, and it creates a failure point, holes in a population which might ordinarily use these products who cannot because they are out of them, entire groups who now become more susceptible to infection, when rational shopping for those supplies might mean that all would have enough to use them.

That sort of panic is not only ridiculous (having extra hand sanitizer or a garage full of toilet paper or masks won't make you any safer than just having ehough--it's just gathering dust) but counterproductive to the goal of slowing the virus' spread.
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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #52 on: March 14, 2020, 06:34:32 pm »
I am not against taking measures, voluntarily, to limit interpersonal contact and community exposure, simply because doing so will reduce the speed with which the pathogen enters and infects people. This is prudent, at least among populations which seem to be most at risk.

However, dashing off to the nearest store to strip the shelves of toilet paper, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, surgical masks, etc., is a fool's errand. Consider that nonsense only increases the number of people who will not have access to these products, and it creates a failure point, holes in a population which might ordinarily use these products who cannot because they are out of them, entire groups who now become more susceptible to infection, when rational shopping for those supplies might mean that all would have enough to use them.

That sort of panic is not only ridiculous (having extra hand sanitizer or a garage full of toilet paper or masks won't make you any safer than just having ehough--it's just gathering dust) but counterproductive to the goal of slowing the virus' spread.

And....whether these idiots intend to hoard the items for themselves or sell them at an inflated price....it is selfish, stupid and evil.   Local government should announce stiff legal penalties for anyone caught selling stuff like this for profit.
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« Reply #53 on: March 14, 2020, 06:48:50 pm »
I don't get the hoarding toilet paper unless people think the virus is GI related
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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #54 on: March 14, 2020, 07:01:17 pm »
I am not against taking measures, voluntarily, to limit interpersonal contact and community exposure, simply because doing so will reduce the speed with which the pathogen enters and infects people. This is prudent, at least among populations which seem to be most at risk.

However, dashing off to the nearest store to strip the shelves of toilet paper, hand sanitizer, disinfectant, surgical masks, etc., is a fool's errand. Consider that nonsense only increases the number of people who will not have access to these products, and it creates a failure point, holes in a population which might ordinarily use these products who cannot because they are out of them, entire groups who now become more susceptible to infection, when rational shopping for those supplies might mean that all would have enough to use them.

That sort of panic is not only ridiculous (having extra hand sanitizer or a garage full of toilet paper or masks won't make you any safer than just having ehough--it's just gathering dust) but counterproductive to the goal of slowing the virus' spread.

Of course, of course.  The panic is absurd (but as I have stated elsewhere, also human nature when people are afraid).

The point of my post was that it is a real disease which is spreading quickly and common sense measures to stop people from gathering together and potentially getting infected are not part of some deep state or leftwing conspiracy.

This is not just the flu, and it makes sense to avoid unnecessary social contact, which is why my fellow local conservative friends are cancelling their church services, school functions and modifying events to minimize the spread of an unknown virus.
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I wear a mask as an exercise in liberty and love for others.  To see it as an infringement of liberty is to entirely miss the point.  Be kind.

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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #55 on: March 14, 2020, 07:03:54 pm »
I don't get the hoarding toilet paper unless people think the virus is GI related

Even then it doesn't make sense.

The TP stuff is just plain weird.
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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #56 on: March 14, 2020, 07:04:00 pm »
I don't get the hoarding toilet paper unless people think the virus is GI related
An unfortunate misnomer is that the influenza virus (FLU) and various varieties of GI tract maladies (like Norovirus) are both called "flu" by a large part of the population.

Perhaps that is the problem.
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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #57 on: March 14, 2020, 07:15:23 pm »
The toilet paper thing is just people afraid of being locked up in their houses.  They should be more concerned about having enough food and water.
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« Reply #58 on: March 14, 2020, 07:16:52 pm »
The toilet paper thing is just people afraid of being locked up in their houses.  They should be more concerned about having enough food and water.

Here in Ohio some are suggesting buying University of Michigan gear at Walmart to use as TP.  :cool:
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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #59 on: March 14, 2020, 07:18:35 pm »
Maybe the tinfoil brigade can point to us as to what country is not taking actions? Canada? Nope, Russia? Nope. Australia? Nope... Poland? Nope. Doesn't seem to fit in to the conspiracy.

"DeBlasio, NYC schools to stay open",  well, how about that, the heart of liberalism isn't exercising control here.
https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2020-03-14/bill-de-blasio-new-york-city-schools-to-stay-open-for-now

Just fun to say, this is an attempt to control our lives.

To play the Devil's advocate, tin foil conspiracies could also say, these views benefit Beijing, it kind of takes them off the hook for spreading this disease in the first place and their government hiding what they knew or at least, what they were told.

Deblasio was just admitting the Schools are in the business of feeding kids and not much else.  He stated in his speech he was keeping the schools open because of the breakfasts and lunches.
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Re: Calm Down, Breathe Through Your Nose - Covid19 NO BIG DEAL
« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2020, 07:18:45 pm »
An unfortunate misnomer is that the influenza virus (FLU) and various varieties of GI tract maladies (like Norovirus) are both called "flu" by a large part of the population.

Perhaps that is the problem.

That's very true.

I've had pt's that have said, "I think I have the flu" and they describe GI symptoms
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« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2020, 07:34:42 pm »
Of course, of course.  The panic is absurd (but as I have stated elsewhere, also human nature when people are afraid).

The point of my post was that it is a real disease which is spreading quickly and common sense measures to stop people from gathering together and potentially getting infected are not part of some deep state or leftwing conspiracy.

This is not just the flu, and it makes sense to avoid unnecessary social contact, which is why my fellow local conservative friends are cancelling their church services, school functions and modifying events to minimize the spread of an unknown virus.
Well, speaking of common sense, there was a time when if you were sick, or living with someone who had something 'catching', you didn't go out in public, didn't send the kids off to school, etc.

John Prine had it right. Common Sense isn't very common any more.
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« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2020, 07:47:53 pm »
Well, speaking of common sense, there was a time when if you were sick, or living with someone who had something 'catching', you didn't go out in public, didn't send the kids off to school, etc.

John Prine had it right. Common Sense isn't very common any more.

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« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2020, 07:53:16 pm »
If the reports are coming out of China are accurate, their cases are declining, so that is a bit of good news.  Keep in mind, that in 1918, people didn't live close to each other in cities like we do now.  That is the concern.  In my county cases are continuing to double every day.

Good post, also your other one that I lost track of discussing China.

We have to be on guard on all variables and all angles in this because there is a lot we don't know. What we do know is where it came from and where it rambled absolutely out of control.  And where it may well have been covered up at first.

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« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2020, 08:22:38 pm »
[quote author=DeerSlayer link=topic=394834.msg2167310#msg2167310 date=158405478
Leftists always whine that there are  "too many people".  And exactly WHO is this "mother nature" that *she* unleashes diseases to *correct* the *overpopulation*?  Pseudoscience prattled by someone who genuflects to Charles Darwin's hundred fifty year old tautology.  "A>B>C>D" isn't science, it's nonsense.  So is everything your "bio" professor told you.
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« Reply #65 on: March 14, 2020, 11:21:03 pm »
Deblasio was just admitting the Schools are in the business of feeding kids and not much else.  He stated in his speech he was keeping the schools open because of the breakfasts and lunches.

In addition to feeding kids, public schools do a great deal of brainwashing and turning children into automatons UNLESS their parents guide them away from it.

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« Reply #66 on: March 14, 2020, 11:24:07 pm »

This is not just the flu, and it makes sense to avoid unnecessary social contact, which is why my fellow local conservative friends are cancelling their church services, school functions and modifying events to minimize the spread of an unknown virus.

NO it DOESN'T "make sense" to panic.

55 deaths in the U.S. to date and you're panicking like Fake News wants everyone to do.

Let me repeat, because you don't seem to have gotten it yet:

80,000 deaths in 2017-2018 flu season.   Knock, knock.  Anyone home?
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« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2020, 11:35:13 pm »
NO it DOESN'T "make sense" to panic.

55 deaths in the U.S. to date and you're panicking like Fake News wants everyone to do.

Let me repeat, because you don't seem to have gotten it yet:

80,000 deaths in 2017-2018 flu season.   Knock, knock.  Anyone home?


It doesn't make sense to panic, but this isn't the flu.  That is what people who keep bringing up stats on the flu needs to remember. The flu is the flu virus and this is a new corona virus. The severity of the virus is worse than the flu, the mortality rate is higher and we still don't fully know how this virus is going to impact the U.S. Europe and China didn't fare so well, especially Italy which right now is still in lock down and has an 8% mortality rate. So, yes, people are reacting.  I'd rather error on the side of being too cautious here, but I don't think we are.

Two weeks ago we only had a couple of corona cases in FL, today, we have 77.  Washington is now close to having 600 cases.  So as the number of cases continues to increase, so will the deaths.
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« Reply #68 on: March 14, 2020, 11:58:33 pm »
The toilet paper thing is just people afraid of being locked up in their houses.  They should be more concerned about having enough food and water.

... And a lot of folks use it for snot rags.

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« Reply #69 on: March 15, 2020, 12:00:14 am »
... And a lot of folks use it for snot rags.
Yabbut, paper towels work, too, and when I was last in the store, that aisle was fully stocked, and the TP was empty. (Of course, paper towels will do for the other end, too, not just as snot rags, but they might plug plumbing, so disposal would have to be different...
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« Reply #70 on: March 15, 2020, 12:03:10 am »
The toilet paper thing is just people afraid of being locked up in their houses.  They should be more concerned about having enough food and water.

I just got back from - where else - Trader Joes and you are right. Now food is being hoarded.

I didn't expect people to freak out to this degree, but the shelves were practically cleared off.

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« Reply #71 on: March 15, 2020, 12:04:40 am »
Yabbut, paper towels work, too, and when I was last in the store, that aisle was fully stocked, and the TP was empty. (Of course, paper towels will do for the other end, too, not just as snot rags, but they might plug plumbing, so disposal would have to be different...

Yeah.... dunno. All I can tell you is that all the women I know, when they are sick, have a roll of TP handy and fill trash cans with em by the bucket load.  :shrug:

I have sleeves.

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« Reply #72 on: March 15, 2020, 12:11:22 am »
Yeah.... dunno. All I can tell you is that all the women I know, when they are sick, have a roll of TP handy and fill trash cans with em by the bucket load.  :shrug:

I have sleeves.
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Well, that oughta keep yer arms warm! (just kidding).
No sense in putting snail trails all over them.

Snurrrrrf! (>spit!<)
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« Reply #73 on: March 15, 2020, 12:18:36 am »
I just got back from - where else - Trader Joes and you are right. Now food is being hoarded.

I didn't expect people to freak out to this degree, but the shelves were practically cleared off.

Well I have heard that toilet paper is digestible so if you run out of food there is that
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« Reply #74 on: March 15, 2020, 12:23:34 am »
:nono:

Well, that oughta keep yer arms warm! (just kidding).
No sense in putting snail trails all over them.

Snurrrrrf! (>spit!<)
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