Bernie: Real Socialism Has Never Been Tried

[EdinVA]

From the very top of your link.

"Some current Medicare-for-all proposals, including those from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-Wash.) virtually eliminate private insurance by providing basic coverage for prescriptions, medical, vision, dental and mental health care. Private insurance would exist only for supplemental care outside of these basic provisions."

The public options would virtually eliminate the need for private insurance.

His plan would not eliminate private healthcare. It wouldn't entirely eliminate private insurance either.

@Dexter
So with all of the known and documented corruption and graft in the federal government, you are ok with turning your healthcare money and decisions over to it?
The government will decide what treatment you can receive, and if you are to old, or to sick they simply will not pay... Then what?
We pay hundreds of billions of dollars per year in taxes to the Dept. of Transportation, yet we have bridges collapsing and barley navigable highways.
We pay billions of dollars per year for national security, yet we cannot secure our borders.
We have been paying billions per year for the war on poverty.... yea how's that going
We have been paying billions per year for the war on drugs.... sure thing...

Not going to get my medical care..

[Dexter]

Pure socialism.  Why, oh why would I want to give up my private insurance? 

You wouldn't have to. You'd just choose to after you realize you can still get quality care without paying for private insurance.

[Dexter]

I could have sworn you said you were moving to Sweden?

Life happens and I broke up with that one. Now I'm seeing somebody from Brazil.

[EdinVA]

You wouldn't have to. You'd just choose to after you realize you can still get quality care without paying for private insurance.

@Dexter
Nothing with the government is optional.

[LMAO]

@Dexter
So with all of the known and documented corruption and graft in the federal government, you are ok with turning your healthcare money and decisions over to it?
The government will decide what treatment you can receive, and if you are to old, or to sick they simply will not pay... Then what?
We pay hundreds of billions of dollars per year in taxes to the Dept. of Transportation, yet we have bridges collapsing and barley navigable highways.
We pay billions of dollars per year for national security, yet we cannot secure our borders.
We have been paying billions per year for the war on poverty.... yea how's that going
We have been paying billions per year for the war on drugs.... sure thing...

Not going to get my medical care..

 I have worked in the healthcare field for 30 some years and I find the most vigorous supporters of government run medicine are people who understand it the least

[libertybele]

You wouldn't have to. You'd just choose to after you realize you can still get quality care without paying for private insurance.

...hmm... let me see ... Bammycare was pretty much a socialistic health care plan ... how did that work out?  No thank you.

[Dexter]

Yet again, Bernie Sanders wants to eliminate private insurance.  Here he is in his own words:


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Sanders:  "What people should understand is that what “Medicare for All” does is it eliminates your private health insurance premiums. You’re not going to be paying that. You’re not going to be paying co-payments, you’re not going to paying deductibles. You’re going to be seeing your prescription drugs’ cost, in my view, come down by 50 percent. Will you be paying more in taxes? Yes, you will."

So in place of private insurance, you will simply be paying those premiums to the government in the form of higher taxes.

I'm interested how he would respond if somebody asked him directly if he intends to outlaw private care/insurance. That would never happen and I'd be surprised if that's actually his intention. If it's not allowed, which it won't be, then it won't go away. It will just be a lot less common.

[Dexter]

...hmm... let me see ... Bammycare was pretty much a socialistic health care plan ... how did that work out?  No thank you.

Obamacare and the individual mandate were an insurance company's wet dream. Obama is corporatist trash just like Biden.

[musiclady]

I have worked in the healthcare field for 30 some years and I find the most vigorous supporters of government run medicine are people who understand it the least

My husband, who retired after more than 40 years in healthcare, heartily agrees with you.

[Dexter]

@Dexter
Nothing with the government is optional.

I'm pretty sure private care exists in every country that has implemented universal healthcare or something similar.

[LMAO]

In a sense, Sanders not getting the nomination is a disappointment because, if he was the nominee, his plans would be fully scrutinized in the public arena. His Green New Deal and Medicare for All would be laid bare for the public to see. His praise for the Venezuelan system in 2011 would also be problematic for him

[Cyber Liberty]

I don't think full blown socialism is possible yet. I think the writing is on the wall, though.

You will bury us, right?

[Dexter]

You will bury us, right?

 

[Cyber Liberty]

So...I repeat, what happened to your move to Sweden? 

[LMAO]

You will bury us, right?

Actually, we are seeing the last cruel chapter of socialism being written. Manduro is seeking to privatize Venezuela’s state owned oil companies. More and more countries are having to trim back their social welfare programs as but a couple of examples

I predict, at some point, Venezuela will make more steps toward free market reforms.

[Dexter]

So...I repeat, what happened to your move to Sweden?

Plans changed because I am no longer with the girl that I planned to move there for.

[musiclady]

One thing I like about Dexter’s ridiculous threads is that they display the knowledge, brilliance and common sense of Briefers.

I guess one guy’s ignorance brings out the best in (most of) the rest of us! 

[Cyber Liberty]

Plans changed because I am no longer with the girl that I planned to move there for.

Good for you, then.  You probably dodged a bullet.  You are probably somewhere better, hopefully not run by a right-wing dictator as we have.

[LMAO]

Plans changed because I am no longer with the girl that I planned to move there for.

Sorry to hear that.

Are you currently dating someone else now if you don’t mind me asking?

[truth_seeker]

It's kind of complicated because we're having difficulty coming to an agreement on what socialism actually is/isn't.

Read "Das Kapital," and the "Communist Manifesto."

Envy rich, violent revolution, ownership of the factors of production by the state.

Totalitarian. USSR, PRC, pre-1989 East Germany, Cuba, No. Korea, Venuzuela, to start the list.

They don't deny being comminist, and it amazes me that people here waste time arguing with you over this.

In case you never learned, the East German subjects were held IN by a wall, called the "Berlin Wall."

Barbed wire, an area called "No-mans' land, whereby they might "make a run for it," but get gunned down.

East Germany was the model satellite of the Soviet Union, where your buddy Bernie honeymooned.

FYI the communists, call themselves "socialists."

[EdinVA]

One thing I like about Dexter’s ridiculous threads is that they display the knowledge, brilliance and common sense of Briefers.

I guess one guy’s ignorance brings out the best in (most of) the rest of us! 

@musiclady
I really wish the politicians would take all of the issues, gun control, healthcare, etc and run them thru extensive conversations like this and find real solutions rather than sound bites and bumper sticker fodder...

[Cyber Liberty]

Read "Das Kapital," and the "Communist Manifesto."

Envy rich, violent revolution, ownership of the factors of production by the state.

Totalitarian. USSR, PRC, pre-1989 East Germany, Cuba, No. Korea, Venuzuela, to start the list.

They don't deny being comminist, and it amazes me that people here waste time arguing with you over this.

In case you never learned, the East German subjects were held IN by a wall, called the "Berlin Wall."

Barbed wire, an area called "No-mans' land, whereby they might "make a run for it," but get gunned down.

East Germany was the model satellite of the Soviet Union, where your buddy Bernie honeymooned.

FYI the communists, call themselves "socialists."

Yeah...no...I can't think of anybody who isn't crystal clear on what socialism is.  Well, yeah, one.

[Cyber Liberty]

@musiclady
I really wish the politicians would take all of the issues, gun control, healthcare, etc and run them thru extensive conversations like this and find real solutions rather than sound bites and bumper sticker fodder...

They do.  They're called, "Dorm-Room Bull Sessions."  Leftists are famous for them, like O'Bastard.

[musiclady]

@musiclady
I really wish the politicians would take all of the issues, gun control, healthcare, etc and run them thru extensive conversations like this and find real solutions rather than sound bites and bumper sticker fodder...

Wouldn’t that be nice!

[Smokin Joe]

I agree with you for the most part @Smokin Joe ... But no, the buck stops right at the top. He signed every dang one of those omnibus bills without a whimper. That's his fault, and no one elses.

I will disagree only because the Senate failed to negotiate worth a damn, leaving him behind the 8-ball. Perhaps he could have put up more of a fight, but they should have been the first line of resistance and they were not.