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Life Discovered in Flammable Ice
Elderberry:
For a "waste by product" there sure is a lot of effort to gather it use it and sell it.
--- Quote ---https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=41713
From January through June of 2019, U.S. net natural gas exports averaged 4.1 billion cubic feet per day (Bcf/d), more than double the average net exports in 2018 (2.0 Bcf/d), according to data in the U.S. Energy Information Administration’s (EIA) Natural Gas Monthly. The United States became a net natural gas exporter (exported more than it imported) on an annual basis in 2017 for the first time in almost 60 years.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/natural-gas/use-of-natural-gas.php
The United States used about 30 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) of natural gas in 2018, the equivalent of 31 quadrillion British thermal units (Btu) and 31% of total U.S. primary energy consumption.
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Smokin Joe:
--- Quote from: EdinVA on February 12, 2020, 02:48:37 am ---We treat methane gas as a waste by product.All of the landfills burn off the methane..Oil refineries burn off methaneMethane gas is the largest pollutant today and the climate "warriors" are yelling about it...
So why are we spending hundreds of millions of dollars to do this research?
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Actually the stick and carrot are taxation/penalties for excessive emissions or flaring at production locations, and that methane (and the other component gasses in wellhead gas, with some exceptions) is marketable.
Ambient methane (and other VOCs and flammable gasses) near production facilities are a safety hazard, not to mention a waste of marketable product, so leaks are undesirable.
While sometimes, the G.O.R. (Gas/Oil Ratio) is so low and the site so remote as to make capture of those gasses uneconomical, those gasses can be flared and waivers granted.
Flaring is also used as a way to dispose of gas which cannot be transported due to capacity problems in the gathering and processing system. However, when the gas is flared, the Methane is burned (CO2 and Water vapor result).
The reason that the Climate Gang is having fits about methane is that it is a byproduct of Oil production, and even coal mining. This is a back door attack on the production of those fuels, and Methane is the desired product in Natural Gas operations.
IOW, whatever it is, they hate it, especially if it works.
Remember when Natural Gas was marketed as the "safer, cleaner alternative" to bunker fuels (fuel oil) and coal?
Well, typically, those goalposts have been moved, and now we're all supposed to be sunning our arses on a beach somewhere next to Hudson's Bay in January without benefit of so much a a popgun to ward off those poor fuzzy polar bears who just came ashore because they were out of ice floes to paddle around.
thackney:
--- Quote from: EdinVA on February 12, 2020, 02:48:37 am ---We treat methane gas as a waste by product.All of the landfills burn off the methane..
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Some capture, clean and sell it. I have been on the design team of a couple. But that has some many corrosive contaminants it is rarely economical.
--- Quote --- Oil refineries burn off methane
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Not in regular process. Most of it is captured and sold.
--- Quote ---Methane gas is the largest pollutant today and the climate "warriors" are yelling about it...
So why are we spending hundreds of millions of dollars to do this research?
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Because it is valuable and plentiful.
EdinVA:
--- Quote from: Smokin Joe on February 12, 2020, 12:11:57 pm ---Actually the stick and carrot are taxation/penalties for excessive emissions or flaring at production locations, and that methane (and the other component gasses in wellhead gas, with some exceptions) is marketable.
Ambient methane (and other VOCs and flammable gasses) near production facilities are a safety hazard, not to mention a waste of marketable product, so leaks are undesirable.
While sometimes, the G.O.R. (Gas/Oil Ratio) is so low and the site so remote as to make capture of those gasses uneconomical, those gasses can be flared and waivers granted.
Flaring is also used as a way to dispose of gas which cannot be transported due to capacity problems in the gathering and processing system. However, when the gas is flared, the Methane is burned (CO2 and Water vapor result).
The reason that the Climate Gang is having fits about methane is that it is a byproduct of Oil production, and even coal mining. This is a back door attack on the production of those fuels, and Methane is the desired product in Natural Gas operations.
IOW, whatever it is, they hate it, especially if it works.
Remember when Natural Gas was marketed as the "safer, cleaner alternative" to bunker fuels (fuel oil) and coal?
Well, typically, those goalposts have been moved, and now we're all supposed to be sunning our arses on a beach somewhere next to Hudson's Bay in January without benefit of so much a a popgun to ward off those poor fuzzy polar bears who just came ashore because they were out of ice floes to paddle around.
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@Smokin Joe@thackney
Ah, so there is a "market" for the methane itself...
I was just impressed with the volume of gas they were able to store, 163 times, in a liter of clathrate and evidently they can do the same thing with pretty much any gas, hydrogen fuel cells come to mind.Thanks for helping grasp this...
thackney:
--- Quote from: EdinVA on February 12, 2020, 12:33:29 pm ---@Smokin Joe@thackney
Ah, so there is a "market" for the methane itself...
I was just impressed with the volume of gas they were able to store, 163 times, in a liter of clathrate and evidently they can do the same thing with pretty much any gas, hydrogen fuel cells come to mind.Thanks for helping grasp this...
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The market is the Natural Gas Market, rather huge.
It is not an effective storage method, requiring low temperature, high pressure, and deal with the water. It is far cheaper and more useful just to compress the gas. Just normal pipeline is a ~100:1 volume reduction. LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) which is stored cold, is a ~600:1 reduction.
https://giignl.org/about-lng/lng-basics
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