Her intentions may be honorable, but her actions are not.
I don't think that's right.
The foundation of character is 'truth' - truth to ourselves. The moment we are willing to abandon that truth in order to get our way, our character suffers. The ends do not justify the means, ever. This is one of the principle tenets that separate Conservatives from liberals.
That's right. But one has to allow for a difference in how the evidence is weighted. Not in determining truth, which inevitably cuts through interpretation, but where opinion intersects the interpretation of that evidence. Good people can differ, as it were.
The issue here is that Chosen Daughter is employing premises she knows to be false and injecting non-rational persuasion on matters she knows to have no relevance to this impeachment. And this is the crux of my criticism of her posts here on this thread.
Mind reading, I think. No offense meant.
Chosen Daughter and I have been on the same side a vast majority of the time. We are both critical of Trump in matters of character, liberal positions, and past and current alliances. And our positions were always based in truth. Yet on this thread, there has been an abandonment of that principle.
That infers intent that may well not be there. Knowing
@Chosen Daughter as I do, I would say the benefit of that doubt should go to her. I have never known Chosen to abandon principle any more than I have known you to.
Take Paul Manafort for example. Both of us have deeply criticized Manafort's past, his criminal behavior, and Trump's decision to pick from the Swamp to bring him on board for his campaign. But when it comes to this impeachment, Manafort is a non-issue. He has no bearing on this case and should not be used as a reason for the House Articles to be a basis for removing the President from office.
Birds of a feather, and all that... I agree with Chosen on that in spirit anyway. I don't think the evidence exists to warrent impeachment, but I think she's right otherwise...
And then there's Biden. His actions in Ukraine are indelibly corrupt. Under his direction, taxpayer dollars were laundered through Ukraine directly into his son's bank account. So to argue that Biden's actions in firing Shokin were an act of moral purity - well, that just flies into the face of truth.
To be fair, I can't offer an opinion one way or the other on that. Too much he-said-she-said to figure it out for sure. I think Biden is in it up to his lips, as are others. But then I think Tump is in it up to his lips too, one way or another, and figuring which mafia boss to favor when relying on corrupt LEOs for evidence is more sh*t that I want to ingest. I say they're all bastards and we'd be best to be rid of all of em.
But that requires evidence or the will of the people to throw the bastards out, either of which is in short supply.
I respect Chosen Daughter's position on Trump, as I do Once-lers. Not any room with either for reflection or forgiveness, but that is their call, not mine.
The thing I value most in both Chosen and
@Once-Ler is that both are willing to investigate dem charges with an open mind. I would include you in that set too. I think that's dang healthy, rather than just running to Brightfart for talking points. Reminds me of FR in the old days.
But I will not tolerate untruths from anyone, especially myself. There have been plenty of times I have posted statements of events that turned out not to be true. And each time, I made it a point to correct my mistake and reassess my opinion on the matter. Sort of like continuing to take personal inventory and promptly admitting when I am wrong. It's something that I strive for. Not always successful (or even aware), but it is how I have chosen to live nonetheless.
So when I see someone else make that mistake, I try to point it out to them to allow them the opportunity to correct it and reassess their position. With humility comes grace. In abundance. It is how character is built. And it is how we learn to accept someone who we find unacceptable.
That's right. Steel sharpens steel.
You won't find me piling on calling her a shill for the DNC. But I do recognize DNC talking points when I hear them. And I find it troubling to hear someone here recite them in order to justify their dislike for Donald Trump.
I think those Dem talking points need to be raised and tested. After all, it is the opposition that will dig and accuse. Tump fans sure as hell won't.
But credit is due you too in not calling her a shill because of it.
