Veterans group demands apology from Trump over comments on brain injuries

[PeteS in CA]

If I am going to be addressed as Greta I should know who it is I am being compared to.

@truth_seeker and @Chosen Daughter, please take this aspect of the conversation into PMs.

[libertybele]

You must be new here.  Sniping and snarking and calling people names seems to be a favorite pastime for many. And it's not just here.  Civil discourse is dying and has been for a number of years.  Might already be dead.

Personal attacks are not allowed in here period.  There are a select few who seem to continue on with their sniping and name calling.  It does get tiring and that is where the "ignore" feature comes in handy.  Quite frankly -- I wish they would find themselves a different forum. They ruin it for the rest of us.

[musiclady]

The problem is... you are parsing what he actually said... and making it into an insult that you are falsely perceiving.  He didn't minimize anything.  What he actually said was 100% accurate.   Once you extract and remove the emotionalism and analyze the actual words, critically....his claim was correct.   So why should he apologize for saying something that was true?

Did you see the list of symptoms of TBI?

Saying they are just ‘headaches’ is minimizing the seriousness of what happened.

That’s not parsing anything, nor is it emotionalism.

He should not have said what he did and should apologize.

The inability to apologize is no form of strength.  It is a serious weakness.

[musiclady]

Personal attacks are not allowed in here period.  There are a select few who seem to continue on with their sniping and name calling.  It does get tiring and that is where the "ignore" feature comes in handy.  Quite frankly -- I wish they would find themselves a different forum. They ruin it for the rest of us.

All @Chosen Daughter has to do is post an article and she is subjected to personal attacks from multiple posters...... some despicable.

The fact that it is not allowed doesn’t seem to have any effect on them.

I guarantee that the mindless insults keep rational, thoughtful people away.....

Which is likely their goal.....

[musiclady]

@truth_seeker and @Chosen Daughter, please take this aspect of the conversation into PMs.

How about telling the poster who keeps calling her ‘Greta’ to stop the personal attacks?

[catfish1957]

Donald Trump could never apologize enough for his critics. Maybe when he reached a point where he finally says, “Okay, I apologize for my existence.”

But, anyone think that last apology would stops the attacks?

No, they won’t ever give him the respect he’s due as president. He should give them exactly NOTHING.

Damn, you people have missed the point of apology all together for these vets.  He should not give a sh__ about the critics.  They won't miss a bit if he did or didn't.   The families of the vets, many who are a-political are another matter.

If you read my posts, you will see that  I am very impartial and fair to DJT. I give praise and credit where credit is due, and criticism where warranted.

You OTOH, seem to have no ability to be objective about the man.  Your credibility be damned I guess.  Your posting history proves it.

[libertybele]

All @Chosen Daughter has to do is post an article and she is subjected to personal attacks from multiple posters...... some despicable.

The fact that it is not allowed doesn’t seem to have any effect on them.

I guarantee that the mindless insults keep rational, thoughtful people away.....

Which is likely their goal.....

When I first came to this forum, I found a "mutual respect" for one another in spite of strong differences of opinion.  Somehow and for whatever reason that has dwindled a bit and it is unfortunate.  It is also unfortunate that there are a few in here that come across as though they are trying to inflame or invoke a negative response from others or to cause upheaval in here.  Completely unnecessary -- this is just my observation and opinion of course.

It is very easy (and I myself am guilty) to let ourselves become passionate and emotional about what we post -- I have often typed my post out and reread it to completely delete it, because after I reread it, it isn't the way I meant to come across. I have either rewritten what I wanted to say or I've opted out.

We have a great forum here and I hope that we can all get back to having a mutual respect for each other, regardless of our differences in opinion.

[XenaLee]

Did you see the list of symptoms of TBI?

Saying they are just ‘headaches’ is minimizing the seriousness of what happened.

That’s not parsing anything, nor is it emotionalism.

He should not have said what he did and should apologize.

The inability to apologize is no form of strength.  It is a serious weakness.

I disagree.

[Bigun]

Donald J. Trump currently IS President of the United States and is very likely to remain so until Jan 21, 2025 whether YOU like it or not.and all of this constant nitpickin BS is serving no purpose other than to drive good people away from this site.

I'm done!

[truth_seeker]

Donald J. Trump currently IS President of the United States and is very likely to remain so until Jan 21, 2025 whether YOU like it or not.and all of this constant nitpickin BS is serving no purpose other than to drive good people away from this site.

I'm done!

IMO the paradigm for this site, is  a place where it is fine, to criticize the President, up to 100 times a day (Fake Deacon of Dallas Ft. Worth, here, 2016/2017; "fecal smear" hospiital janitor in Michigan) etc.

The conflict is a feature, not a bug.

It literally took years to stop Trump supporters, being called Nazi, Fscists, etc. It could have easily been stopped, but it was not Later, cultist, worshippers, etc)

The feature, is baked into the culture

[Chosen Daughter]

When I first came to this forum, I found a "mutual respect" for one another in spite of strong differences of opinion.  Somehow and for whatever reason that has dwindled a bit and it is unfortunate.  It is also unfortunate that there are a few in here that come across as though they are trying to inflame or invoke a negative response from others or to cause upheaval in here.  Completely unnecessary -- this is just my observation and opinion of course.

It is very easy (and I myself am guilty) to let ourselves become passionate and emotional about what we post -- I have often typed my post out and reread it to completely delete it, because after I reread it, it isn't the way I meant to come across. I have either rewritten what I wanted to say or I've opted out.

We have a great forum here and I hope that we can all get back to having a mutual respect for each other, regardless of our differences in opinion.

We are all passionate about our posts.  Mine have been met with reference to tampons, ugly face broke the mirror and now I am some Gretta.

 I was actually just watching the impeachment trial on Trumps twitter and agreeing with the arguments of his lawyers.   I have said before I don't know if what he did was impeachable.  I still think that we should hear from the witnesses.  And if they acquit doesn't change one  bit that I won't vote for him.  I am certain that the President will continue on to the election where we all have a chance to vote or not vote for him.  I certainly will not vote for any Democrat because I am a Conservative.  Unlike all the accusations on here that I am a liberal. Because to mention anything critical of Trump is to be a liberal.  BS.  I have criticized every president when I see something that I disagree with and that is how it should be.

This was wrong.  Trump minimizing the injuries of the troops from the Iranian strike.  That is the truth.

[libertybele]

Again, IMHO --- We have a great forum here and I hope that we can all get back to having a mutual respect for each other, regardless of our differences in opinion.

But back on topic --

I sat and watched the short video clip -- it seems that Trump was making a comparison of what injuries were suffered to those who have suffered loss of limbs and life.  I would really like to see the complete interview before making a determination and jumping to conclusions.  I see Trump as a patriot and a leader.  He has built up our military and vets can now go to any doctor if they can't get in to see one at the VA in a timely manner -- my father in-law is a vet and he has now been able to see local doctors outside the VA which has been a blessing. 

[Chosen Daughter]

IMO the paradigm for this site, is  a place where it is fine, to criticize the President, up to 100 times a day (Fake Deacon of Dallas Ft. Worth, here, 2016/2017; "fecal smear" hospiital janitor in Michigan) etc.

The conflict is a feature, not a bug.

It literally took years to stop Trump supporters, being called Nazi, Fscists, etc. It could have easily been stopped, but it was not Later, cultist, worshippers, etc)

The feature, is baked into the culture

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Politics | Thursday, October 24, 2019
Paula White: Christians will 'stand accountable before God' if they vote against Trump


Televangelist Paula White said that Christians who don't support President Donald Trump will have to answer to God.
White, who serves as spiritual adviser to President Donald Trump and chairs the president’s evangelical advisory board, made the comments during a Friday appearance on the “The Jim Bakker Show” where she was promoting her latest book, Something Greater, in which she discusses intimate details of her life including her relationship with Trump.

“It is a dividing line unless you have eyes to see,” White told Bakker while discussing how America was being changed through the lower courts. Trump has been working hard to protect religious freedom in a spiritual war between good and evil that is being waged through the courts and that threatens to outlaw the Bible as hate speech, she claimed.

“It’s (warfare) gonna either make you stand and lets you have to look in the Word and say what does God say and where do I line up. Where do I line up on policy? I might not like the personality, I might not understand him. Get my book and you’ll understand the personality and you’ll understand the person, Ok? Not just the persona,” White said.

“Where do I line up? And you’re gonna have to make a decision that won’t be just held accountable here for how things turn out for you, your children, your grandchildren, but you’re gonna have to stand accountable before God one day. Not based on your opinion, your hurt, your wounding, what you think, what you don’t. Educate yourself. Know the issues, know the word of God, and then if you cannot align with the word of God I don’t see it,” White continued.....

https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html

Is it really any surprise.  When the presidents spiritual advisors are condemning to hell Christians that don't vote for him?  Sounds pretty Nazi to me.  Especially from the phony Dr.  who isn't a Dr.  Who actually bilks her church members while she soaks up the money.  Just like her Felony friend Jim Baker.

https://www.politicalflare.com/2019/11/trumps-favorite-pastor-paula-white-has-a-fake-doctorate-degree-and-a-history-of-bankruptcy/

[libertybele]

We are all passionate about our posts.  Mine have been met with reference to tampons, ugly face broke the mirror and now I am some Gretta.

 I was actually just watching the impeachment trial on Trumps twitter and agreeing with the arguments of his lawyers.   I have said before I don't know if what he did was impeachable.  I still think that we should hear from the witnesses.  And if they acquit doesn't change one  bit that I won't vote for him.  I am certain that the President will continue on to the election where we all have a chance to vote or not vote for him.  I certainly will not vote for any Democrat because I am a Conservative.  Unlike all the accusations on here that I am a liberal. Because to mention anything critical of Trump is to be a liberal.  BS.  I have criticized every president when I see something that I disagree with and that is how it should be.

This was wrong.  Trump minimizing the injuries of the troops from the Iranian strike.  That is the truth.

Ok -- you've been wronged in here.  I get that.  I have received my share of uncalled comments directed at me as well, but, @Chosen Daughter you have a choice -- rise above it and continue to post without provoking (not saying that you did and at times easier said than done) or continue a senseless battle.  Just trying to be a friend here, and please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems that you only choose to select negative articles about Trump to post and it seems others take offense.  Yes, you should be able to post whatever the heck you want without ridicule.. but they are entitled to their opinions as well.

I couldn't agree more -- the name calling and comparisons are absolutely uncalled for, hurtful and really unnecessary as it really puts a damper on this forum.

[XenaLee]

The Christian Post
Skip to main content

Politics | Thursday, October 24, 2019
Paula White: Christians will 'stand accountable before God' if they vote against Trump


Televangelist Paula White said that Christians who don't support President Donald Trump will have to answer to God.
White, who serves as spiritual adviser to President Donald Trump and chairs the president’s evangelical advisory board, made the comments during a Friday appearance on the “The Jim Bakker Show” where she was promoting her latest book, Something Greater, in which she discusses intimate details of her life including her relationship with Trump.

“It is a dividing line unless you have eyes to see,” White told Bakker while discussing how America was being changed through the lower courts. Trump has been working hard to protect religious freedom in a spiritual war between good and evil that is being waged through the courts and that threatens to outlaw the Bible as hate speech, she claimed.

“It’s (warfare) gonna either make you stand and lets you have to look in the Word and say what does God say and where do I line up. Where do I line up on policy? I might not like the personality, I might not understand him. Get my book and you’ll understand the personality and you’ll understand the person, Ok? Not just the persona,” White said.

“Where do I line up? And you’re gonna have to make a decision that won’t be just held accountable here for how things turn out for you, your children, your grandchildren, but you’re gonna have to stand accountable before God one day. Not based on your opinion, your hurt, your wounding, what you think, what you don’t. Educate yourself. Know the issues, know the word of God, and then if you cannot align with the word of God I don’t see it,” White continued.....

https://www.christianpost.com/news/paula-white-christians-will-stand-accountable-before-god-if-they-vote-against-trump.html

Is it really any surprise.  When the presidents spiritual advisors are condemning to hell Christians that don't vote for him?  Sounds pretty Nazi to me.  Especially from the phony Dr.  who isn't a Dr.  Who actually bilks her church members while she soaks up the money.  Just like her Felony friend Jim Baker.

https://www.politicalflare.com/2019/11/trumps-favorite-pastor-paula-white-has-a-fake-doctorate-degree-and-a-history-of-bankruptcy/

Oh FFS.   Really???

[musiclady]

I disagree.

With everything??

That the inability to apologize is not a strength?

You disagree with that?

[Chosen Daughter]

Ok -- you've been wronged in here.  I get that.  I have received my share of uncalled comments directed at me as well, but, @Chosen Daughter you have a choice -- rise above it and continue to post without provoking (not saying that you did and at times easier said than done) or continue a senseless battle.  Just trying to be a friend here, and please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems that you only choose to select negative articles about Trump to post and it seems others take offense.  Yes, you should be able to post whatever the heck you want without ridicule.. but they are entitled to their opinions as well.

I couldn't agree more -- the name calling and comparisons are absolutely uncalled for, hurtful and really unnecessary as it really puts a damper on this forum.

I never said they weren't entitled to their opinions.  I have posted positive things on Trump. I used to support the wall until it was another bollard fence that could be scaled and local governments could opt out.  I supported when the left was being critical of our facilities on the border which was BS because the left was sending all those caravans.  I supported designating Cartel terrorists and then he didn't.  I supported government shutdown until he caved and excepted even less money than they were going to give him.  Because Mulvaney was negotiating down.  I supported him when he said he wouldn't sign, but he did.

So no, that is a lie.  Yes most I have posted recently have been negative.  Because he is negative.  He is ugly and rude.  And this is just another example of cold, rude Trump.

[musiclady]

When I first came to this forum, I found a "mutual respect" for one another in spite of strong differences of opinion.  Somehow and for whatever reason that has dwindled a bit and it is unfortunate.  It is also unfortunate that there are a few in here that come across as though they are trying to inflame or invoke a negative response from others or to cause upheaval in here.  Completely unnecessary -- this is just my observation and opinion of course.

It is very easy (and I myself am guilty) to let ourselves become passionate and emotional about what we post -- I have often typed my post out and reread it to completely delete it, because after I reread it, it isn't the way I meant to come across. I have either rewritten what I wanted to say or I've opted out.

We have a great forum here and I hope that we can all get back to having a mutual respect for each other, regardless of our differences in opinion.

I agree that this is still a great forum, and one where different opinions on how Conservatism plays itself out in reality are encouraged.

However, I find myself posting less and less on the political threads as it seems to be turning into more of a groupthink forum than one where the free exchange of ideas is possible.

IOW, the more Trumpian it becomes, the less friendly to differing views it has become.

My opinion only, FWIW......

[Chosen Daughter]

I agree that this is still a great forum, and one where different opinions on how Conservatism plays itself out in reality are encouraged.

However, I find myself posting less and less on the political threads as it seems to be turning into more of a groupthink forum than one where the free exchange of ideas is possible.

IOW, the more Trumpian it becomes, the less friendly to differing views it has become.

My opinion only, FWIW......

Agree 100%

[musiclady]

We are all passionate about our posts.  Mine have been met with reference to tampons, ugly face broke the mirror and now I am some Gretta.

 I was actually just watching the impeachment trial on Trumps twitter and agreeing with the arguments of his lawyers.   I have said before I don't know if what he did was impeachable.  I still think that we should hear from the witnesses.  And if they acquit doesn't change one  bit that I won't vote for him.  I am certain that the President will continue on to the election where we all have a chance to vote or not vote for him.  I certainly will not vote for any Democrat because I am a Conservative.  Unlike all the accusations on here that I am a liberal. Because to mention anything critical of Trump is to be a liberal.  BS.  I have criticized every president when I see something that I disagree with and that is how it should be.

This was wrong.  Trump minimizing the injuries of the troops from the Iranian strike.  That is the truth.

It is a sign of a weak argument and lack of ability to think deeply when people attack the Conservatives here who are critical of Trump as being liberal.

It's actually forbidden here because it's such a stupid ad hominem, but it continues because it's all they have.  No fact.  Just emotion.

Keep posting.

[Chosen Daughter]

It is a sign of a weak argument and lack of ability to think deeply when people attack the Conservatives here who are critical of Trump as being liberal.

It's actually forbidden here because it's such a stupid ad hominem, but it continues because it's all they have.  No fact.  Just emotion.

Keep posting.

I will.  Not going to let them drive me out.  You keep posting as well.  Because I know that you are giving your true assessment.  That is something to be respected for.  Thank you.

[XenaLee]

With everything??

That the inability to apologize is not a strength?

You disagree with that?

It's not an "inability to apologize".... if what the person stated is accurate, correct and the truth....   not to mention what he was told by Pentagon officials.   Would you apologize for stating a fact or a truth that you were told by experts or officials?

If you really want to blame somone here... blame the ones that make the rules in the military....or Pentagon officials.   Trump didn't make those rules or that policy. 

Excerpt:

Pentagon officials have said there had been no effort to minimise or delay information on concussive injuries, but its handling of the injuries following Tehran's attack has renewed questions over the US military's policy regarding how it deals with suspected brain injuries.

While the US military has to immediately report incidents threatening life, limb or eyesight, it does not have an urgent requirement to do so with suspected traumatic brain injury, or TBI, which can take time to manifest and diagnose.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-25/iran-strikes-caused-traumatic-brain-injury-pentagon-says/11900228

Pardon me for making this observation... but....it seems to me that some of you are upset that Trump didn't exaggerate, embellish or.... dare I say it.... (you betcha I dare)....

politicize the Iran attack injuries (which he could have done if he really wanted that 'war with Iran' that the idiot left is accusing him of wanting.... and which is what the lying idiot left would have done).   

So it's not ok for him to exaggerate and politicize some things but ok for others.... is that it?   Sorry... but that's how I'm perceiving it.   And yeah, I've become cynical to a fault these days.   

[libertybele]

I never said they weren't entitled to their opinions.  I have posted positive things on Trump. I used to support the wall until it was another bollard fence that could be scaled and local governments could opt out.  I supported when the left was being critical of our facilities on the border which was BS because the left was sending all those caravans.  I supported designating Cartel terrorists and then he didn't.  I supported government shutdown until he caved and excepted even less money than they were going to give him.  Because Mulvaney was negotiating down.  I supported him when he said he wouldn't sign, but he did.

So no, that is a lie.  Yes most I have posted recently have been negative.  Because he is negative.  He is ugly and rude.  And this is just another example of cold, rude Trump.

Ok.  That is YOUR opinion of him.  Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. My opinion -- He has made some progress on the fence -- new fence is being built that is more than just bollards. He also has made it so that Guatemala is now taking on asylum seekers -- they are the first "safe" country for many seeking asylum.  That is a HUGE accomplishment. In spite of the defiance and obstruction by the DEMS he is succeeding.  He recently saved American lives by silencing Soleimani -- that is HUGE.  He has withstood the false accusations of Russian collusion and now hopefully he will withstand the coup that's trying to remove him -- if not we WILL see socialism.  No doubt about it.

Right now, I see more positive coming from this President than negative.  He is MY President.  He is the President of a country that I love. He has upheld the Constitution.  He is doing his job.  He is leading this country as best he can in spite of the blatant attempts to oust him.  I am gravely and deeply concerned that the left will find a way to stop him in order to fulfill their socialistic agenda -- they are corruptly trying to remove him.  That should concern everyone, whether you like him or not.

Is he perfect?  Absolutely not.  Does he say things that are a bit crass and unnecessary?  Absolutely.  Does that make him unfit to be President? IMHO No.

Like him or not, he IS standing between us and socialism.  The DEMS don't care if they destroy this Republic -- they want open borders.  Clinton wanted a borderless hemipshere; "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton reportedly said to investors in a paid speech she gave to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013.

Those running against Trump (except perhaps for Biden in spit of all of his corruption) are to the left of Clinton. 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html

[Chosen Daughter]

Ok.  That is YOUR opinion of him.  Which is fine you are entitled to that opinion. My opinion -- He has made some progress on the fence -- new fence is being built that is more than just bollards. He also has made it so that Guatemala is now taking on asylum seekers -- they are the first "safe" country for many seeking asylum.  That is a HUGE accomplishment. In spite of the defiance and obstruction by the DEMS he is succeeding.  He recently saved American lives by silencing Soleimani -- that is HUGE.  He has withstood the false accusations of Russian collusion and now hopefully he will withstand the coup that's trying to remove him -- if not we WILL see socialism.  No doubt about it.

Right now, I see more positive coming from this President than negative.  He is MY President.  He is the President of a country that I love. He has upheld the Constitution.  He is doing his job.  He is leading this country as best he can in spite of the blatant attempts to oust him.  I am gravely and deeply concerned that the left will find a way to stop him in order to fulfill their socialistic agenda -- they are corruptly trying to remove him.  That should concern everyone, whether you like him or not.

Is he perfect?  Absolutely not.  Does he say things that are a bit crass and unnecessary?  Absolutely.  Does that make him unfit to be President? IMHO No.

Like him or not, he IS standing between us and socialism.  The DEMS don't care if they destroy this Republic -- they want open borders.  Clinton wanted a borderless hemipshere; "My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders, sometime in the future with energy that's as green and sustainable as we can get it, powering growth and opportunity for every person in the hemisphere," Clinton reportedly said to investors in a paid speech she gave to Brazilian Banco Itau in 2013.

Those running against Trump (except perhaps for Biden in spit of all of his corruption) are to the left of Clinton. 

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/john-kass/ct-hillary-clinton-open-borders-kass-1012-20161011-column.html

I wonder if you have seen the news recently?  The latest caravan has broken through to Mexico.  And while I would like to praise the Trumps policies on immigration I can't.   Because they won't stop coming until we address the drug business.  Cartel business and gang business.  And I like that they are being held in Mexico but that can't last and its becoming a Cartel business also.

The fence is bollard style slats and they are scaling it.  All those prototypes have fallen to the wayside.  Because Trump gave in.  And there isn't many miles of it either.

Trump’s New Border ‘Wall’ Resembles Fence Obama Constructed That Illegal Aliens Recently Hopped Over

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/04/10/trumps-new-border-wall-resembles-fence-constructed-under-obama-that-illegal-aliens-recently-hopped-over/

Correction to my post.  Many of the migrants (800) who broke through were captured by Mexican authorities.  Some will remain in Mexico and some were deported back to Honduras.  Another 200 they are still looking for.

[libertybele]

I wonder if you have seen the news recently?  The latest caravan has broken through to Mexico.  And while I would like to praise the Trumps policies on immigration I can't.   Because they won't stop coming until we address the drug business.  Cartel business and gang business.  And I like that they are being held in Mexico but that can't last and its becoming a Cartel business also.

The fence is bollard style slats and they are scaling it.  All those prototypes have fallen to the wayside.  Because Trump gave in.  And there isn't many miles of it either.

Who is funding the caravans @Chosen Daughter?  Soros and the leftists.  The same people who refuse to help Trump and who are trying to oust him -- because he HAS succeeded in some respects.  They are the same ones that want this Republic to fall and who want socialism.  The want a borderless Northern Hemisphere.

We are way off topic --

Again - until I see the complete transcripts of Trump's speech regarding this issue of Vet's brain injuries -- I'll reserve further comment.  I don't trust the left, nor the media -- they lie, deceive and have a nasty habit of construing what is said by conservatives to fulfill their agenda.