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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #25 on: January 19, 2020, 07:52:00 pm »
The two aren't mutually exclusive.  Nothing wrong with wanting both.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #26 on: January 19, 2020, 07:56:39 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 19, 2020, 07:52:00 pm
The two aren't mutually exclusive.  Nothing wrong with wanting both.

Would that it were so!
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #27 on: January 19, 2020, 08:01:12 pm »
Trump has "character" (just not up to par as to what some say his character should be) and he definitely has backbone.  Right now, with all the crap going on in VA, the DEM impeachment frenzy and issues over in the Middle East, I am glad he's our President. 
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #28 on: January 19, 2020, 08:02:10 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 19, 2020, 07:56:39 pm
Would that it were so!

I think it can be said that while not mutually exclusive, they are mutually unlikely. It's because of what the ignorant expect politicians to do.  If someone is likely to be of good character, they won't get those votes.

It's similar to the concept of bosses who demand yes-men for executives.  Bosses like that are rejected by executives who aren't afraid to say "no," because they know they would have no job security.  Same for politicians who promise to be straight-shooters.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #29 on: January 19, 2020, 08:03:01 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 19, 2020, 08:01:12 pm
Trump has "character" (just not up to par as to what some say his character should be) and he definitely has backbone.  Right now, with all the crap going on in VA, the DEM impeachment frenzy and issues over in the Middle East, I am glad he's our President.

I most profoundly disagree.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #30 on: January 19, 2020, 08:07:29 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 19, 2020, 08:03:01 pm
I most profoundly disagree.

Allow me to amplify that a little:  What if a politician turns on the people who elected him to office moment he becomes a lame duck (The first Wednesday in November '20)? There would be a case of character mattering more than backbone, because the lack of the latter can lead to loss of the former.  Trouble is, it's hard to know for sure without electing and reelecting the politician.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #31 on: January 19, 2020, 08:15:26 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 19, 2020, 07:47:12 pm
More of a chance than one without character. At least he knows what's right.
Part of character is defending that, too.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #32 on: January 19, 2020, 08:15:53 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 19, 2020, 08:07:29 pm
Allow me to amplify that a little:  What if a politician turns on the people who elected him to office moment he becomes a lame duck (The first Wednesday in November '20)? There would be a case of character mattering more than backbone, because the lack of the latter can lead to loss of the former.  Trouble is, it's hard to know for sure without electing and reelecting the politician.

That is the other shoe to drop - and one I view with deep foreboding. ie: Dubya 2nd term.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #33 on: January 19, 2020, 08:16:37 pm »
Quote from: Smokin Joe on January 19, 2020, 08:15:26 pm
Part of character is defending that, too.

True. And prior to his governorship, I would have no question.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #34 on: January 19, 2020, 08:16:39 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 19, 2020, 08:07:29 pm
Allow me to amplify that a little:  What if a politician turns on the people who elected him to office moment he becomes a lame duck (The first Wednesday in November '20)? There would be a case of character mattering more than backbone, because the lack of the latter can lead to loss of the former.  Trouble is, it's hard to know for sure without electing and reelecting the politician.

What if a politician isn't a lame duck because he has both backbone and character -- the character to do what is right for the country and the backbone to see it through.

Indeed -- in the event that Trump isn't removed from office and he is re-elected, we cannot be sure of what he'll do his second term -- that IS in his character -- and IMHO a deep flaw -- you never can quite predict what he'll do.  To his credit, he's usually one step ahead.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2020, 08:18:17 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 19, 2020, 08:16:39 pm
What if a politician isn't a lame duck because he has both backbone and character -- the character to do what is right for the country and the backbone to see it through.

Indeed -- in the event that Trump isn't removed from office and he is re-elected, we cannot be sure of what he'll do his second term -- that IS in his character -- and IMHO a deep flaw -- you never can quite predict what he'll do.  To his credit, he's usually one step ahead.

I think him entirely predictable. His history precedes him... Like a fetid stench.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2020, 08:22:16 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 19, 2020, 08:15:53 pm
That is the other shoe to drop - and one I view with deep foreboding. ie: Dubya 2nd term.

Even Ronaldo Maximus delivered a miserable second term, complete with poor tax philosophy, lousy immigration "deals" and and scandals leading to paralysis.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2020, 08:24:24 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 19, 2020, 08:22:16 pm
Even Ronaldo Maximus delivered a miserable second term, complete with poor tax philosophy, lousy immigration "deals" and and scandals leading to paralysis.

Right. But ultra-magnified in Tump. He is appearance minded, and will be seeking to forge a legacy on steroids.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2020, 08:27:47 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 19, 2020, 08:24:24 pm
Right. But ultra-magnified in Tump. He is appearance minded, and will be seeking to forge a legacy on steroids.

While it's not sufficient, I'm entitled to hope the legacy he intends to forge aligns with what I want.  It's admittedly a thin reed.  The alternatives running in 2020 are all much worse.  We're faced with either hoping our guy does what we want him to, or hoping a leftist will break his promises. 

The technical term for that choice is "suck-ass."
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2020, 08:29:06 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 19, 2020, 08:18:17 pm
I think him entirely predictable. His history precedes him... Like a fetid stench.

Well, no doubt I believe if Trump manages to be re-elected we will see the true President Trump -- he will either find a way to crush the leftists idiots or he will join them.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2020, 08:32:12 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 19, 2020, 08:29:06 pm
Well, no doubt I believe if Trump manages to be re-elected we will see the true President Trump -- he will either find a way to crush the leftists idiots or he will join them.

Trump'll join the left the same day he has Rosie O'Donnell over for dinner.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2020, 08:34:02 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on January 19, 2020, 08:32:12 pm
Trump'll join the left the same day he has Rosie O'Donnell over for dinner.

 :rolling: I do hope you are correct.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2020, 08:38:47 pm »
Quote from: Cyber Liberty on January 19, 2020, 08:27:47 pm
While it's not sufficient, I'm entitled to hope the legacy he intends to forge aligns with what I want.  It's admittedly a thin reed.  The alternatives running in 2020 are all much worse.  We're faced with either hoping our guy does what we want him to, or hoping a leftist will break his promises. 

The technical term for that choice is "suck-ass."

Right. The conundrum presents when settling for less...
Were he a Conservative, I might be more inclined to take him on his word, and be content to see a legacy building second term.

But he is not, and without a need to follow the voter's will. I think that legacy will look a whole lot like New York, and resemble his phallic towers found all around the world... With Broadway lights.

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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2020, 08:39:18 pm »
Quote from: skeeter on January 19, 2020, 08:32:12 pm
Trump'll join the left the same day he has Rosie O'Donnell over for dinner.

Tump IS the left.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2020, 08:40:39 pm »
Quote from: libertybele on January 19, 2020, 08:29:06 pm
Well, no doubt I believe if Trump manages to be re-elected we will see the true President Trump -- he will either find a way to crush the leftists idiots or he will join them.

Meh. He cannot crush them. No one man can.
But he certainly can join them.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #45 on: January 19, 2020, 08:42:10 pm »
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #46 on: January 19, 2020, 08:46:38 pm »
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #47 on: January 19, 2020, 08:53:03 pm »
Quote from: roamer_1 on January 19, 2020, 08:39:18 pm
Tump IS the left.

This is where we part ways.  He's not "left" nor "right," he's an opportunist who saw opportunity on the right side if the aisle.  For now.
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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #48 on: January 19, 2020, 08:57:31 pm »
Quote from: mystery-ak on January 19, 2020, 03:38:28 pm
Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?




Nothing like a made up fake story, for gullible people to fall for.

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Re: Is Mike Pence preparing to resign, assume the presidency, or both?
« Reply #49 on: January 19, 2020, 08:58:38 pm »
Quote from: truth_seeker on January 19, 2020, 08:57:31 pm
Nothing like a made up fake story, for gullible people to fall for.
Indeed.
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