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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #125 on: January 27, 2020, 04:49:42 am »
Problem is, someone infected, even asymptomatic, goes through an airport and it could go almost anywhere. Multiple nodes in no time.

The person had recently flown in from China. What a mess.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #126 on: January 27, 2020, 05:50:28 am »
Wuhan seafood market may not be source of novel virus spreading globally



As confirmed cases of a novel virus surge around the world with worrisome speed, all eyes have so far focused on a seafood market in Wuhan, China, as the origin of the outbreak. But a description of the first clinical cases published in The Lancet on Friday challenges that hypothesis.

The paper, written by a large group of Chinese researchers from several institutions, offers details about the first 41 hospitalized patients who had confirmed infections with what has been dubbed 2019-novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). The earliest case became ill on 1 December and had no reported link to the seafood market, the authors report. “No epidemiological link was found between the first patient and later cases,” they state. Their data also show that in total, 13 of the 41 cases had no link to the marketplace either. “That’s a big number, 13, with no link,” says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Georgetown

Earlier reports from Chinese health authorities and the World Health Organization said the first patient had onset of symptoms on 8 December—and those reports simply said “most” cases had links to the seafood market, which was closed on 1 January.

Lucey says if the new data are accurate, the first human infections must have occurred in November—if not earlier—because there is an incubation time between infection and symptoms surfacing. If so, the virus possibly spread silently between people in Wuhan and perhaps elsewhere before the cluster of cases from the city’s now infamous Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market was discovered in late December. “The virus came into that marketplace before it came out of that marketplace,” Lucey asserts.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/01/wuhan-seafood-market-may-not-be-source-novel-virus-spreading-globally
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #127 on: January 27, 2020, 05:58:07 am »
Here's a decent map of the outbreak that updates as new info comes in:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6
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« Reply #128 on: January 27, 2020, 06:05:28 am »
And a more scientific treatment of the outbreak so far:

Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China

Background


A recent cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, China, was caused by a novel betacoronavirus, the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). We report the epidemiological, clinical, laboratory, and radiological characteristics and treatment and clinical outcomes of these patients.

Methods

All patients with suspected 2019-nCoV were admitted to a designated hospital in Wuhan. We prospectively collected and analysed data on patients with laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection by real-time RT-PCR and next-generation sequencing. Data were obtained with standardised data collection forms shared by the International Severe Acute Respiratory and Emerging Infection Consortium from electronic medical records. Researchers also directly communicated with patients or their families to ascertain epidemiological and symptom data. Outcomes were also compared between patients who had been admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) and those who had not.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext#.Xi55u_0keC5.twitter
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #129 on: January 27, 2020, 07:45:51 am »
Global Health & Emergencies Advocate Peter Salama Dies At Age 51



WHO’s head of Universal Health Coverage, Dr. Peter Salama, has died suddenly at the age of 51.

The Australian-born medical epidemiologist was known as an eloquent global health advocate, who dedicated his career to combatting the world’s most difficult and dangerous diseases and strengthening fragile health systems in states weakened by war and civil unrest.

After joining WHO in 2016 as executive director of Health Emergencies, Salama oversaw the winding down of a massive Ebola epidemic in West Africa, only to be confronted two years later in 2018 with the re-emergence of the deadly virus in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC).

But he was well-prepared. During the 2013-2016 outbreak, Salama had overseen UNICEF’s response as Regional Director for the Middle East and North Africa. Over three years, that epidemic  killed over 11,000 people, leaving behind ravaged economies and societies in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea.

https://www.healthpolicy-watch.org/global-health-emergencies-advocate-peter-salama-dies-at-age-51/
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #130 on: January 27, 2020, 08:21:25 am »
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Gabriel Leung, dean of HKU's medical school on #CoronavirusOutbreak: basic reproductive number - secondary cases generated by an index infected case - is 2.13. According to best estimate, case count doubles every six days, in the absence of any public health intervention.

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #131 on: January 27, 2020, 10:18:57 am »
ASU in Tempe AZ has a case. There are a total of 5 cases in the US as of right now.

Thank you for the update @DB

I wonder how these folks got it and/or have in common
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #132 on: January 27, 2020, 11:03:42 am »
And a more scientific treatment of the outbreak so far:

Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, China

Background


A recent cluster of pneumonia cases in Wuhan, China, was caused by a novel betacoronavirus, the 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV). We report the epidemiological, clinical, laboratory, and radiological characteristics and treatment and clinical outcomes of these patients.

Methods

All patients with suspected 2019-nCoV were admitted to a designated hospital in Wuhan. We prospectively collected and analysed data on patients with laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection by real-time RT-PCR and next-generation sequencing. Data were obtained with standardised data collection forms shared by the International Severe Acute Respiratory and Emerging Infection Consortium from electronic medical records. Researchers also directly communicated with patients or their families to ascertain epidemiological and symptom data. Outcomes were also compared between patients who had been admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU) and those who had not.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext#.Xi55u_0keC5.twitter

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The  most  common  symptoms  at  onset  of  illness  were  fever  (40  [98%]  of  41  patients),  cough  (31  [76%]),  and  myalgia  or  fatigue  (18  [44%]);  less  common  symptoms were  sputum  production  (11  [28%]  of  39),  headache  (three  [8%]  of  38),  haemoptysis  (coughing up blood) (two  [5%]  of  39),  and  diarrhoea  (one  [3%]  of  38;  table  1).  More  than  half  of  patients (22 [55%] of 40) developed dyspnoea (labored breathing).
The median duration  from  illness  onset  to  dyspnoea  was  8·0  days (IQR  5·0–13·0).  The  median  time  from  onset  of  symp-toms  to  first  hospital  admission  was  7·0  days  (4·0–8·0), to shortness of breath was 8·0 days (5·0–13·0), to ARDS was  9·0  days  (8·0–14·0),  to  mechanical  ventilation  was  10·5 days (7·0–14·0), and to ICU admission was 10·5 days (8·0–17·0; figure 2).
The  blood  counts  of  patients  on  admission  showed  leucopenia  (reduced white blood cell count)(white  blood  cell  count  less  than  4×10⁹/L; ten [25%] of 40 patients) and lymphopenia (reduced lymphocytes, one of three types of white blood cells) (lymphocyte count  <1·0×10⁹/L;  26  [63%]  patients;  table  2). 
Comments in italics are mine, to translate medicalese a little.
Link to the Lancet Article
Clinical features of patients infected with 2019 novel coronavirus in Wuhan, ChinaChaolin Huang*, Yeming Wang*, Xingwang Li*, Lili Ren*, Jianping Zhao*, Yi Hu*, Li Zhang, Guohui Fan, Jiuyang Xu, Xiaoying Gu, Zhenshun Cheng, Ting Yu, Jiaan Xia, Yuan Wei, Wenjuan Wu, Xuelei Xie, Wen Yin, Hui Li, Min Liu, Yan Xiao, Hong Gao, Li Guo, Jungang Xie, Guangfa Wang, Rongmeng Jiang, Zhancheng Gao, Qi Jin, Jianwei Wang†, Bin Cao†

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #133 on: January 27, 2020, 03:34:57 pm »
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Why would Wuhan #bioweapon need more hospital space #coronoavirus unless the numbers are significantly more than reported?
China's 1,000-bed coronavirus hospital takes shape after four days; Chinese authorities have ordered four construction companies to toil through the Chinese New Year holiday to complete the six-acre medical centre in Wuhan's Caidian District in a week. Daily Mail
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #134 on: January 27, 2020, 03:53:14 pm »
Everyone knows the number is higher. The question is "What is happening to the patients? Are any treatments working against it?".
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« Reply #135 on: January 27, 2020, 03:55:20 pm »
Supposedly, the Chinese are working on a vaccine (unconfirmed story).
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #136 on: January 27, 2020, 04:01:03 pm »
EYA  @EYAnews

Why would Wuhan #bioweapon need more hospital space #coronoavirus unless the numbers are significantly more than reported?
China's 1,000-bed coronavirus hospital takes shape after four days; Chinese authorities have ordered four construction companies to toil through the Chinese New Year holiday to complete the six-acre medical centre in Wuhan's Caidian District in a week. Daily Mail
10:30 AM · Jan 27, 2020

They are also claiming to be running out of medical supplies.  Also reported; 35,000,000 have been quarantined and 12 cities have been shutdown.

https://qz.com/1790891/china-expands-quarantine-to-12-cities-and-35-million-residents/
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #137 on: January 27, 2020, 04:02:22 pm »
Supposedly, the Chinese are working on a vaccine (unconfirmed story).


This is a bio-lab virus  -- perhaps population control?
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« Reply #138 on: January 27, 2020, 05:25:08 pm »

This is a bio-lab virus  -- perhaps population control?

The globalists have gone public that they want world govt within 10 years. That and they are megalomaniacal sociopaths.

Nothing would surprise me.
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #139 on: January 27, 2020, 05:32:29 pm »
From what I can gather today, it's like the thing has frozen in it's tracks after the infected/deceased stats have been nearly doubling every day.

Gotta call BS on that.

Too many reports of infected people, some already symptomatic flying on planes back to their resident countries. If this thing is as contagious as reported, a close quarters air cabin on a long int'l flight is a perfect way to spread it.

Guess it's wait and see now.
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« Reply #140 on: January 27, 2020, 09:16:31 pm »
U.S. State Department warns against visiting China, citing coronavirus

WASHINGTON, Jan 27 (Reuters) - The U.S. State Department on Monday warned against visiting China and said Americans should not travel to the Hubei province, given that the province's city of Wuhan is ground zero for a new deadly coronavirus.

The State Department has already ordered the departure of all non-emergency U.S. personnel and family members from the province and the "U.S. government has limited ability to provide emergency services" to its citizens there.

It said travelers should be prepared for the Chinese government to put travel restrictions in place "with little or no advance notice." (Reporting by Lisa Lambert and Makini Brice Editing by Chris Reese)

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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #141 on: January 27, 2020, 09:20:27 pm »
China coronavirus: Hong Kong medical experts call for ‘draconian’ measures in city as research estimates there are already 44,000 cases in Wuhan

*    HKU’s faculty of medicine dean Gabriel Leung says research shows self-sustaining human-to-human transmission is already happening in all major mainland cities
*    He called for measures to limit people’s movement, school closures, work-from-home arrangements and cancellation of mass gatherings



Hong Kong infectious disease experts are urging the government to take “draconian” measures against the spread of the deadly new coronavirus
from the mainland Chinese city of Wuhan, citing research estimating that 44,000 patients could be infected there – far higher than official figures.

University of Hong Kong academics on Monday estimated that the number of patients in Wuhan had reached 43,590 by Saturday, including those in the incubation stage of the virus, which causes pneumonia.

Mainland authorities have put the number of confirmed cases across the country at about 2,800 as of Monday, with the death toll at 82.

Hong Kong has eight confirmed cases of infection.

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3047813/china-coronavirus-hong-kong-medical-experts-call

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« Reply #142 on: January 27, 2020, 10:11:44 pm »
Dow posts worst day since October and turns negative for the year as coronavirus fears grow

Stocks tanked on Monday after more cases of the coronavirus were confirmed over the weekend, ratcheting up worries over the virus’ impact on the world economy.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average fell 453.93 points, or 1.6% to 28,535.80, wiping out the average’s gains for the year. The 30-stock average also notched its biggest one-day fall since October along with its longest losing streak since August. The S&P 500 dropped 1.6% to 3,243.63, snapping a 74-session streak without a 1% decline. The Nasdaq Composite had its worst day since August, dropping 1.9% to 9,139.31.

There are 2,862 confirmed cases so far in China and the death toll in China has risen to 81. The World Health Organization’s director general is traveling to China to meet with government and health officials. In the U.S., a fifth case of coronavirus was confirmed over the weekend.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/27/dow-futures-as-coronavirus-cases-rise.html
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Re: Coronavirus, comprehensive and updates discussion
« Reply #143 on: January 27, 2020, 10:47:45 pm »
Three countries have now closed its borders to China....I am hoping that the U.S. does the same.  They should NOT allow anyone into the U.S. from China.

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« Reply #144 on: January 27, 2020, 10:53:25 pm »
So is the Wuhan level 4 bio-lab going to mysteriously burn down to the ground or explode suddenly?

If there's any evidence it came from there there's going to be hell to pay.

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« Reply #145 on: January 27, 2020, 11:02:07 pm »
So is the Wuhan level 4 bio-lab going to mysteriously burn down to the ground or explode suddenly?

If there's any evidence it came from there there's going to be hell to pay.

Hell to pay by whom?  Who is going to hold China responsible?  What ramifications will they suffer?  Right now, it's sinking their own economy -- however they are an economic superpower and this is affecting global markets -- DOW was down today.
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« Reply #146 on: January 27, 2020, 11:04:52 pm »
Hell to pay by whom?  Who is going to hold China responsible?  What ramifications will they suffer?  Right now, it's sinking their own economy -- however they are an economic superpower and this is affecting global markets -- DOW was down today.

What do you think the Chinese people will do if they find out their own government did this to them while lying about it all this time?


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« Reply #147 on: January 27, 2020, 11:16:35 pm »
What do you think the Chinese people will do if they find out their own government did this to them while lying about it all this time?

....I don't know ... perhaps many are too you to remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre.  I'd say that the Chinese government will lie and deny or say that this was a lab "accident" that wasn't reported and someone would be the fall guy.
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« Reply #148 on: January 27, 2020, 11:30:15 pm »
....I don't know ... perhaps many are too you to remember the Tiananmen Square Massacre.  I'd say that the Chinese government will lie and deny or say that this was a lab "accident" that wasn't reported and someone would be the fall guy.

Chernobyl took out the Russian government and they were very good at lying. This could be China's Chernobyl in the making.

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« Reply #149 on: January 28, 2020, 12:09:35 am »
What do you think the Chinese people will do if they find out their own government did this to them while lying about it all this time?

Nothing.  They will do nothing.  Die, if that's requested.
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