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I'm really sick (to death) of the bullshit and lies from the idiot effing left (here).  I really need to take a break from it all.

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Personally, I find it fascinating (in a sort of twisted mentally ill way) to see people confronted for months on end with the question as to what law Donald Trump broke, yet be completely devoid of the ability or even willingness to address it as they repeat their claim.  This mental disconnect with 'truth' is a remarkable flaw that is common in those who reject reason while relying on emotion to direct their beliefs. 
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He withheld appropriations to leverage Ukraine to dig up political dirt and lied about it to America.  It's like I'm talking to a wall.

Your argument rests on the absurd premise that Donald Trump was worried that Joe Biden posed a threat to his re-election.

Informal poll: How many people here think that Donald Trump was afraid he’d lose to Joe Biden (or even gave that improbability a half second thought)?

The other absurd premise is that Trump wanted “dirt” on Biden and that he thought to get it from the new president of Ukraine, rather than simply do as Hillary did and buy the opposition research.

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Your argument rests on the absurd premise that Donald Trump was worried that Joe Biden posed a threat to his re-election.

Informal poll: How many people here think that Donald Trump was afraid he’d lose to Joe Biden (or even gave that improbability a half second thought)?

The other absurd premise is that Trump wanted “dirt” on Biden and that he thought to get it from the new president of Ukraine, rather than simply do as Hillary did and buy the opposition research.

That is the absurd b.s. that the DEMS are trying to push.  They can't afford to have the corruption of Uncle Joe and Where's Hunter revealed.
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Your argument rests on the absurd premise that Donald Trump was worried that Joe Biden posed a threat to his re-election.

Informal poll: How many people here think that Donald Trump was afraid he’d lose to Joe Biden (or even gave that improbability a half second thought)?

The other absurd premise is that Trump wanted “dirt” on Biden and that he thought to get it from the new president of Ukraine, rather than simply do as Hillary did and buy the opposition research.
Or was investigating the deep state in order to expose it and break it up

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Shouldn’t you want to wait for the actual trial to conclude first? Since you cited the rats impeachment articles as proof of guilt.
I was convinced Trump was bad after the Mueller Report.  I could cite Moses with "Thou shall not bear false witness" as a law.  I don't need the Senate trial to make up my mind about President Trump.

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I was convinced Trump was bad after the Mueller Report.  I could cite Moses with "Thou shall not bear false witness" as a law.  I don't need the Senate trial to make up my mind about President Trump.
I think that’s perfectly clear by now.

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I think that’s perfectly clear by now.
I thought so too.

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Your argument rests on the absurd premise that Donald Trump was worried that Joe Biden posed a threat to his re-election.

The only think Joe Biden poses a threat to is other women's hair.





Informal poll: How many people here think that Donald Trump was afraid he’d lose to Joe Biden (or even gave that improbability a half second thought)?

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The other absurd premise is that Trump wanted “dirt” on Biden and that he thought to get it from the new president of Ukraine, rather than simply do as Hillary did and buy the opposition research.

He didn't even need to do that.  The evidence already existed on Youtube with Biden openly admitting he pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating his son.
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I don't need the Senate trial to make up my mind about President Trump.

It is clear you do not need a law either.  Yet for some reason, you continue the charade as if Trump broke the law.  At least now you admit that your mind is made up and it doesn't matter whether he did or not.
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It is clear you do not need a law either.  Yet for some reason, you continue the charade as if Trump broke the law.  At least now you admit that your mind is made up and it doesn't matter whether he did or not.
I'm sorry you voted for a crook.

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I'm sorry you voted for a crook.

Darrell Castle isn't a crook.  Care to try again?
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Darrell Castle isn't a crook.  Care to try again?

When you stop and think every Republican President since Ike has been called a "crook," that accusation has no purchase with me.  333cleo
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Your argument rests on the absurd premise that Donald Trump was worried that Joe Biden posed a threat to his re-election.

I don't think it's absurd.

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Informal poll: How many people here think that Donald Trump was afraid he’d lose to Joe Biden (or even gave that improbability a half second thought)?

Well, I'm one.  I also think Trump believes Biden poses the biggest risk of all the Dems because he'd have more appeal in battleground midwest states (add Pa. in there also) than any of the hard lefties.  He's also always drawn strong black support, and is less likely to alienate moderate voters.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-starts-2020-as-the-biggest-threat-to-trump
« Last Edit: January 17, 2020, 01:16:01 am by Maj. Bill Martin »

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Well, I'm one.  I also think Trump believes Biden poses the biggest risk of all the Dems because he'd have more appe in battleground midwest states (add Pa. in there alao) than any of the hard lefties.  He's also always drawn strong black support, and is less likely to alienate moderates voters.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/biden-starts-2020-as-the-biggest-threat-to-trump

Probably. But then if I knew my most likely opponent was a corrupt POS who used his previous position to line his sons pockets I’d want proof of that out there, as well.

I don’t know why we have to pretend there’s something horribly wrong with that.

« Last Edit: January 17, 2020, 01:17:27 am by skeeter »

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I wish the GOP could recognize a President breaking the law again.
Pity they missed it from Jan. 2009 through Jan 2017.
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I was convinced Trump was bad after the Mueller Report.  I could cite Moses with "Thou shall not bear false witness" as a law.  I don't need the Senate trial to make up my mind about President Trump.

So a report that showed no wrong doing by the President convinced you he was a bad man?
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I'm sorry you voted for a crook.

I voted for Cruz.  He's not a crook.
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Well, I'm one.  I also think Trump believes Biden poses the biggest risk of all the Dems because he'd have more appeal in battleground midwest states (add Pa. in there also) than any of the hard lefties.  He's also always drawn strong black support, and is less likely to alienate moderate voters.

You are referring to a guy who garnered a grand total of 1% of the Democrat vote in his two previous Presidential bids.  If anything, Trump should be propping up Biden hoping he wins the nomination, just like the Dems did with McCain in 2000 and 2008.  The only reason this story broke to begin with is because the Warren campaign leaked it.
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You are referring to a guy who garnered a grand total of 1% of the Democrat vote in his two previous Presidential bids.  If anything, Trump should be propping up Biden hoping he wins the nomination, just like the Dems did with McCain in 2000 and 2008.  The only reason this story broke to begin with is because the Warren campaign leaked it.

Biteme is being propped up as the "Elder Statesman," "put upon by the crooked President."  The default candidate.  We've seen this playbook, it's how the Rats spun a 180 in 2004, and rejected Dean for Kerry.  Dean had a lock on the polls going into IA.  "Poof!"
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A general comment about the Original Topic (remember that?):  The headline screams "Trump broke the law!"  And people dutifully envision an armed robbery.  I remind all readers of this Overtime Parking is also "breaking the law."   So is literal Jaywalking.

The article is engaging in hyperbole, and we're talking about it like it's a serious issue, that's Impeachable.  Focus!!

Focus is what they be a trying to do.

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@Once-Ler .

Remind me. I voted third party. Can you please tell me who I really voted for?

It is so confusing.
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Biteme is being propped up as the "Elder Statesman," "put upon by the crooked President."  The default candidate.  We've seen this playbook, it's how the Rats spun a 180 in 2004, and rejected Dean for Kerry.  Dean had a lock on the polls going into IA.  "Poof!"

I think they will turn on Biden just like they turned on Dean.  The Dems know that Biden is a disaster waiting to happen.  That is why they are rushing this impeachment now so they can have enough time to dump him before the primaries really get going.  By the time the South Carolina primary ends, you will see an entirely different outlook on the Dem nominee.  And it ain't gonna be Biden.
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When you stop and think every Republican President since Ike has been called a "crook," that accusation has no purchase with me.  333cleo

And equated to Hitler ... and accused of trying to start WW3 ... and accused of wanting to dump little old ladies from their wheelchairs over a cliff ...
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