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Patronizing New Ad Aimed At Christians Highlights Never Trump’s Lingering Flaws
 
There's a strain of contempt or arrogance or both in the Never Trump movement that prevents it from making some arguments that are legitimately worth hearing.

By Emily Jashinsky
January 10, 2020

 
It’s beyond parody, really, the so-called Lincoln Project’s first big thrust at persuading center-right voters to abandon President Trump in 2020. It’s also sad, and I say that sincerely. If ever there were an opportunity for Beltway insiders to reacquaint themselves with Republican voters, it’s now, when the erstwhile host of “Celebrity Apprentice” remains their preferred leader. But perhaps the saddest part of this entire sad saga is that they might be actually trying.

Of course, they’re also failing for all the same reasons they missed Trump’s rise in the first place. When I say “they,” I’m referring to the Never Trump braintrust behind this project, which includes people like George Conway, Steve Schmidt, John Weaver, and Rick Wilson, among others.

“The MAGA Church,” the group’s first digital video, is a nearly three-minute spot that misses the point more spectacularly than should be possible after almost five years of the Trump phenomenon. Bearing in mind the project says its “efforts are aimed at persuading enough disaffected conservatives, Republicans and Republican-leaning independents in swing states and districts to help ensure a victory in the Electoral College,” consider the video.

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https://thefederalist.com/2020/01/10/patronizing-new-ad-aimed-at-christians-highlights-never-trumps-lingering-flaws/
No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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So the Lincoln Project folks would rather have the mayor for president than Trump.... talk about screwed up..

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Good luck trying to persuade Evangelicals to vote for or passively allow to be elected President some Dem candidate who has expressed hatred and contempt for religious people - not just Evangelical Christians! - has promised to destroy millions of jobs and businesses, and has condemned valid and legal protection of US interests.

It might be asked how STOOOOOOOO-pid these "Lincoln Project" people believe Evangelical and other theologically conservative Christians are, but the ad answers that question before it is asked.
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Good article. What the NT outfit is missing is that Trump's foibles and failings are already baked in. That bridge was crossed in 2016. As self aware as Ed Grimley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-4b8AjPl1I
« Last Edit: January 10, 2020, 05:09:25 pm by don-o »

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   Like most Nevers, their hatred for the 'Orange Man' has blinded them to the reality of the situation.  I speak from past experiences, that I have since mostly outgrown.

No government in the 12,000 years of modern mankind history has led its people into anything but the history books with a simple lesson, don't let this happen to you.

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Donald Trump’s political nature is patriotic, America-first and center-right, bringing many traditional democrat constituencies—blacks, hispanics, union, women—over to his side. There are still plenty of at-their-core patriotic Americans left in America, even among democrats, who will never abandon Donald Trump.

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Good article. What the NT outfit is missing is that Trump's foibles and failings are already baked in. That bridge was crossed in 2016. As self aware as Ed Grimley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-4b8AjPl1I

True, but one of the ways this "Lincoln Project" outfit demonstrates their contempt for their target audience is their apparent assumption that we didn't know in 2016 what we voted for.
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

Millions now living should have died. Anti-Covid-Vaxxer ghouls hardest hit.

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Good article. What the NT outfit is missing is that Trump's foibles and failings are already baked in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-4b8AjPl1I

As it was for Bill Clinton back in 1992.

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As it was for Bill Clinton back in 1992.

It’s nearly impossible for an incumbent president to lose re-election. But, of the few in modern times who had lost—George H.W. Bush, Jimmy Carter and Gerald Ford—the common factor was they all had a terrible economy by election time.

Trump doesn’t fit that profile. And voters, I am confident, on November 3rd, have no plans of saying to him, “You’re fired!”

Not gonna happen.

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The Anti-Trump Video That Could Backfire
By John Zmirak

No More Table Scraps

For so long, these voters had nodded off to carefully tailored, mostly insincere speeches from the likes of McCain and Romney. Like other social conservatives, they’d duly pulled the GOP cart, aiming for a carrot that always receded into the distance. Somehow the pro-business lobby always got its cheap labor migrants and business tax cuts. Foreign policy hawks got their wars of choice. But the culture kept getting more pagan and the courts and the government with it. As Pat Buchanan (the guy y’all should have voted for in 1996) wrote recently:

    In half a lifetime, many Americans have seen their God dethroned, their heroes defiled, their culture polluted, their values assaulted, their country invaded, and themselves demonized as extremists and bigots for holding on to beliefs Americans have held for generations.

    — Pat Buchanan (@PatBuchananQuot) January 9, 2020

https://stream.org/the-anti-trump-video-backfire/

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I'll give him a pass for "Willy" Nelson.

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*YAWN*
Really? Sorry to bore. Nap time, maybe?

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The Anti-Trump Video That Could Backfire
By John Zmirak

No More Table Scraps

For so long, these voters had nodded off to carefully tailored, mostly insincere speeches from the likes of McCain and Romney. Like other social conservatives, they’d duly pulled the GOP cart, aiming for a carrot that always receded into the distance. Somehow the pro-business lobby always got its cheap labor migrants and business tax cuts. Foreign policy hawks got their wars of choice. But the culture kept getting more pagan and the courts and the government with it. As Pat Buchanan (the guy y’all should have voted for in 1996) wrote recently:

    In half a lifetime, many Americans have seen their God dethroned, their heroes defiled, their culture polluted, their values assaulted, their country invaded, and themselves demonized as extremists and bigots for holding on to beliefs Americans have held for generations.

    — Pat Buchanan (@PatBuchananQuot) January 9, 2020

https://stream.org/the-anti-trump-video-backfire/

Trump's appeal seems so simple. Yet they'll never get it. Or us.

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Really? Sorry to bore. Nap time, maybe?

Yes, it absolutely is a bore. The spin to have Christians discard character as a primary principle is just as boring as the disingenuous flick the OP is about.

Meh.

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Those w/functioning brain cells, are able to make distinctions.
Can Trump be absolutely correct in his dealings w/Iran while
also being a total BS artist every time he opens his mouth?
Indeed he can and is.
So it comes down to the order of importance and Iran is of a
far greater magnitude.
Be nice if some posters could also make distinctions on ocassion.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2020, 08:39:08 pm by Absalom »

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Yes, it absolutely is a bore. The spin to have Christians discard character as a primary principle is just as boring as the disingenuous flick the OP is about.

Meh.

I believe that Trump has good character and that you do not, politically speaking. How about that?

Trump (in office) has done and accomplished so many things right, that for you to ignore his efforts and withhold your support, lacks courage and character.

Trump’s successes on issues of Life, the economy and jobs, trade, immigration, national security, support for our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines in service and as veterans, and his fierce opposition to the socialists in the American Left.

If you were ever to put your country before your virtue, you would recognize that your country needs your help right now.

But, go ahead and have a swell life. You’ve earned it—I guess.

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I believe that Trump has good character and that you do not, politically speaking. How about that?

Trump (in office) has done and accomplished so many things right, that for you to ignore his efforts and withhold your support, lacks courage and character.

Trump’s successes on issues of Life, the economy and jobs, trade, immigration, national security, support for our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines in service and as veterans, and his fierce opposition to the socialists in the American Left.

If you were ever to put your country before your virtue, you would recognize that your country needs your help right now.

But, go ahead and have a swell life. You’ve earned it—I guess.

I'm going to go ahead and disagree with the personal nature of that post.

"If you were ever to put your country before your virtue...".

Sorry, but I find that an unfair assertions that @roamer_1 is doing any such a thing. Not sure what is your definition of "virtue". But for me, putting anything including country before God and a man's relation with Him, is idolatry.

It is possible, using our God given reason and reason endowed prudence to believe and hold political views that do not violate our sacrosanct beliefs, yet come to different outcomes.

fwiw

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 tri22 Please comment on the topic of the thread. tri22 TBR members are not the topic of the thread. tri22
If, as anti-Covid-vaxxers claim, https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2021/robert-f-kennedy-jr-said-the-covid-19-vaccine-is-the-deadliest-vaccine-ever-made-thats-not-true/ , https://gospelnewsnetwork.org/2021/11/23/covid-shots-are-the-deadliest-vaccines-in-medical-history/ , The Vaccine is deadly, where in the US have Pfizer and Moderna hidden the millions of bodies of those who died of "vaccine injury"? Is reality a Big Pharma Shill?

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I believe that Trump has good character and that you do not, politically speaking. How about that?

@aligncare
Tell me why I should care what you believe at all? Politically speaking, the only people I should care about are those who in fact align with my beliefs and to the degree that they do.

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Trump (in office) has done and accomplished so many things right, that for you to ignore his efforts and withhold your support, lacks courage and character.

A subjective statement. WHAT are the 'so many good things' - According to the principles of Conservatism, which is what I judge 'good things' by. In that context, which is the only context that matters to me, I don't see much good that he's done at all... Though you are welcome to try to change my mind. Line item, please.

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Trump’s successes on issues of Life, the economy and jobs, trade, immigration, national security, support for our soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines in service and as veterans, and his fierce opposition to the socialists in the American Left.

Like I said - broad categories that at the line item mean nothing. Economy as an instance - the spending alone counteracts any praise he might get from me otherwise... Because the borrowing is the singular and most egregious problem of them all. So what if he dusts a little bit around the elephant in the room?

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If you were ever to put your country before your virtue, you would recognize that your country needs your help right now.

Stone dead wrong. What would help this country - The ONLY thing that will help, is Conservatism... Which is utterly absent from this administration. So why is it that I should vote for that which is of no aid at all? Namely this big-government, big spending non-conservative administration?

No sale. Especially in the light of your insults - Always a great way to make friends and influence people. At least most Tumpsters think so.

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I'm going to go ahead and disagree with the personal nature of that post.

"If you were ever to put your country before your virtue...".

Sorry, but I find that an unfair assertions that @roamer_1 is doing any such a thing. Not sure what is your definition of "virtue". But for me, putting anything including country before God and a man's relation with Him, is idolatry.

It is possible, using our God given reason and reason endowed prudence to believe and hold political views that do not violate our sacrosanct beliefs, yet come to different outcomes.

fwiw

Thanks for that @don-o   :beer: