Pelosi moves to limit Trump’s actions in Iran with War Powers Resolution vote

[catfish1957]

Would you call him a "knee padder", too @catfish1957

Sorry RIV, I haven't heard Roamer give any politican diety status like you have.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Use your imagination.  (never mind)

Man-up and tell me what a "knee padder" is.

[roamer_1]

Then why do you fight anyone with a different opinion?  Sure seems like you've a rather rabid dog in this hunt ...

No, I endorse no one, because there is no one under the banner of Conservatism.

But I will fight till the day I die for the principles thereof. There has to be a voice crying in the wilderness, and well, I AM in the wilderness after all.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Sorry RIV, I haven't heard Roamer give any politican diety status like you have.

Your mind is playing tricks on you, yet again.  I've not given any politician, including Ronald Reagan, diety status.  Maybe you need to adjust the volume on your hearing aid.

[Right_in_Virginia]

No, I endorse no one, because there is no one under the banner of Conservatism.

So what do you expect us to do with your preaching?  It seems your dog's looking for company.

[roamer_1]

So what do you expect us to do with your preaching?  It seems your dog's looking for company.

Nope, Just barking at the burglars robbing the house.

[EdinVA]

No, I endorse no one, because there is no one under the banner of Conservatism.

But I will fight till the day I die for the principles thereof. There has to be a voice crying in the wilderness, and well, I AM in the wilderness after all.

Why don't you run for office then?
If everyone else is so wrong, take a shot.... I'll vote for you.

[catfish1957]

Nope, Just barking at the burglars robbing the house.

Well put.  So many so called conservatives here never eek a word about fiscal responsibility of our politicans

[roamer_1]

Why don't you run for office then?
If everyone else is so wrong, take a shot.... I'll vote for you.

Nope. Not my job... I ain't Jumpin Jack Flash. I'm the guy that makes Jumpin Jack go.

[Cyber Liberty]

Hey, ass holes.    Can we get back to the topic at hand, which is Dimbulb Pelosi's exercise in futility and not our resident NT's repeating their manifesto's

And what fun is that?   

[roamer_1]

Well put.  So many so called conservatives here never eek a word about fiscal responsibility of our politicans

As they point to the army outside the gate, and while you look, slip a knife between your ribs.

My concern is for what is INSIDE the gate, because they are the scoundrels that will open the gate and hoist the portcullis.

[mystery-ak]

Please get this thread back on topic or I will lock it.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Nope, Just barking at the burglars robbing the house.

And waiting for someone else to rescue you.   

[roamer_1]

A hint of Elderberries!      l;ol

 

[Cyber Liberty]

She is trying to get us all killed.  Stifling this President's actions and tying his hands against the enemy sends the wrong message to Iran and the rest of the World --it is she that needs to be removed!!! 

Pelosi moves to limit Trump’s actions in Iran with War Powers Resolution vote

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced overnight that she plans on taking measures to potentially curb President Trump’s ability to conduct military operations against Iran.

Pelosi and other Democrats have been critical of Trump’s decision to conduct an airstrike in Iraq that killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani, head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force, claiming he did not properly notify Congress in advance and warning about the risk of escalation in the region. Trump has also threatened additional action if Iran retaliates for Soleimani’s death.

“This week, the House will introduce and vote on a War Powers Resolution to limit the President’s military actions regarding Iran,” Pelosi wrote in a letter to fellow Democrats, referring to a similar Senate resolution to be introduced by Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. “It reasserts Congress’s long-established oversight responsibilities by mandating that if no further Congressional action is taken, the Administration’s military hostilities with regard to Iran cease within 30 days.”

The first War Powers Resolution was passed in 1973 in an effort to prevent presidents from using the military without congressional approval. Since then, questions of presidential compliance have become common, with controversy stemming from President Bill Clinton’s actions in Kosovo and President Barack Obama’s operations in Libya.

On Saturday, the White House sent Congress formal notification of the drone strike under the War Powers Act, a senior administration official told The Associated Press. The notification, required by law within 48 hours of the introduction of American forces into an armed conflict or a situation that could lead to war, had to be signed and sent to Congress..............

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-moves-to-limit-trumps-actions-in-iran-with-war-powers-resolution-vote

The mechanics of this are unclear to me.  Is there a provision in the War Powers Act for the House to veto the Salmonella execution?  What then, bring him back to life?  Is this the same as a "Rebuke" that has to pass the House, the Senate and get a Presidential signature?

[roamer_1]

The mechanics of this are unclear to me.  Is there a provision in the War Powers Act for the House to veto the Salmonella execution?  What then, bring him back to life?  Is this the same as a "Rebuke" that has to pass the House, the Senate and get a Presidential signature?

Meh. She's blowing smoke. Any changes have to get by the Senate.

[Applewood]

Could someone help me here?  This is a resolution, not a bill creating a new law, correct? If so, would the president be bound by the limitations this resolution imposes?    I should think not, but what do I know? 

[Cyber Liberty]

Could someone help me here?  This is a resolution, not a bill creating a new law, correct? If so, would the president be bound by the limitations this resolution imposes?    I should think not, but what do I know?

There may be a provision of the WPA enabling a House Veto by a simple majority, but I would find that hard to believe.  I don't know either, and this story casts no light on that. 

I know the Rats tried to pass a "Rebuke" when Trump declared the border an "Emergency."  It had to pass the House and the Senate and was subject to Presidential Veto, which it was.  Congress failed to override the Veto.  I'd like to know if this is what Peolsi's trying to do, in which case it's doomed to failure like the last one.

[txradioguy]

Yet again the Democrats are engaging in the politics of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

They've been doing this since in recent times since October of 2001.

[PeteS in CA]

Now THERES a moderator!

Hmmmmmm ... maybe I need to study his style.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Could someone help me here?  This is a resolution, not a bill creating a new law, correct? If so, would the president be bound by the limitations this resolution imposes?    I should think not, but what do I know?

The WPA itself requires a joint resolution by both Houses, so the House alone can't do anything.  Of course, even requiring only a joint resolution rather than a law signed by the President is one of the provisions that may well be unconstitutional as a form of legislative veto.

[Cyber Liberty]

The WPA itself requires a joint resolution by both Houses, so the House alone can't do anything.  Of course, even requiring only a joint resolution rather than a law signed by the President is one of the provisions that may well be unconstitutional as a form of legislative veto.

So, a simple majority of both houses is all that's required?  No Presidential signature required?  That sounds like a legislative veto to me.  Is that unconstitutional?

@Maj. Bill Martin

[libertybele]

Could someone help me here?  This is a resolution, not a bill creating a new law, correct? If so, would the president be bound by the limitations this resolution imposes?    I should think not, but what do I know?

Similar to a bill, a joint resolution requires the approval of both Chambers and the president's signature to become law. There is isn't a difference between a joint resolution and a bill other than a joint resolution is generally used for continuing or emergency appropriations.

A simple resolution however,  is for a a matter concerning the operation of either the House of Representatives or Senate alone. A resolution affecting the House of Representatives is not presented to the President for action.

https://www.house.gov/the-house-explained/the-legislative-process/bills-resolutions

[Maj. Bill Martin]

So, a simple majority of both houses is all that's required?  No Presidential signature required?  That sounds like a legislative veto to me.  Is that unconstitutional?

@Maj. Bill Martin

A one-house legislative veto was struck down decades ago in INS v. Chadha.  Whether or not they'd strike down the two-house resolution in the WPA is unknown.  Legal opinions go both ways.  The best argument against it is that it's not something that appears anywhere in the Constitution, and limits Presidential authority.  The argument for keeping it in Chadha was basically "it's necessary in some cases."

The WPA has references to a "joint resolution", that seemingly would require a Presidential signature, but also a "concurrent resolution" of the two chambers, which would not.  So at bottom, the WPA authorizes the two chambers of Congress to force the removal of U.S. troops from a conflict without a Presidential signature.  That's in Section 5(c) of the WPA.

[LegalAmerican]

She is trying to get us all killed.  Stifling this President's actions and tying his hands against the enemy sends the wrong message to Iran and the rest of the World --it is she that needs to be removed!!! 

Pelosi moves to limit Trump’s actions in Iran with War Powers Resolution vote

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi announced overnight that she plans on taking measures to potentially curb President Trump’s ability to conduct military operations against Iran.

Pelosi and other Democrats have been critical of Trump’s decision to conduct an airstrike in Iraq that killed Iranian Gen. Qassem Soleimani, head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps' elite Quds Force, claiming he did not properly notify Congress in advance and warning about the risk of escalation in the region. Trump has also threatened additional action if Iran retaliates for Soleimani’s death.

“This week, the House will introduce and vote on a War Powers Resolution to limit the President’s military actions regarding Iran,” Pelosi wrote in a letter to fellow Democrats, referring to a similar Senate resolution to be introduced by Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va. “It reasserts Congress’s long-established oversight responsibilities by mandating that if no further Congressional action is taken, the Administration’s military hostilities with regard to Iran cease within 30 days.”

The first War Powers Resolution was passed in 1973 in an effort to prevent presidents from using the military without congressional approval. Since then, questions of presidential compliance have become common, with controversy stemming from President Bill Clinton’s actions in Kosovo and President Barack Obama’s operations in Libya.

On Saturday, the White House sent Congress formal notification of the drone strike under the War Powers Act, a senior administration official told The Associated Press. The notification, required by law within 48 hours of the introduction of American forces into an armed conflict or a situation that could lead to war, had to be signed and sent to Congress..............

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-moves-to-limit-trumps-actions-in-iran-with-war-powers-resolution-vote

Excellent first line by you!