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Estimated Launch at 5:15 PM

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It landed hard and later exploded.

SN11 will not be far behind.

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SpaceX StarshipSN10 perfect landing then the explosion(Not shown)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMxb4EXV5hM


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Boom! SpaceX Starship SN10 explodes shortly after landing

SpaceX Starship SN10 prototype launched to an altitude of  6.2 miles (10 kilometers) and landed 6 minutes and 20 seconds after liftoff. Several minutes later the rocket exploded.


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Why was the SpaceX Starship SN10 slanted when it landed?

Space Stack Exchange 3/6/2021

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/50580/why-was-the-spacex-starship-sn10-slanted-when-it-landed

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Why was the SpaceX Starship SN10 slanted when it landed?



•   Was the landing pad uneven?
•   Or did the Starship land a little way away from it?
•   Or was this caused due to hull damage?

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It is probably due to a combination of factors. But the landing pad wasn't uneven and Starship didn't land away from it.

There were two main factors which contributed to the hard landing. Firstly the landing legs did not appear to deploy properly. Looking at close up images of the landing it is possible to see some of them swinging and not locking into position. So the ship landed unevenly to begin with.

But Elon Musk later confirmed via a tweet that there was an engine control problem of some sort: "Thrust was low despite being commanded high for reasons unknown at present, hence hard touchdown. We’ve never seen this before. Next time, min two engines all the way to the ground & restart engine 3 if engine 1 or 2 have issues."

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Starship SN11 prepares for rollout as SpaceX plans for the future

NASA Spaceflight by Chris Bergin March 7, 2021

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2021/03/starship-sn11-rollout-spacex-plans-future/

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Just days after SN10 completed the first – albeit hard – Starship prototype landing, SN11 is set to rollout to the launch site for its own attempt. Incremental progress is being made with the test flights, with another tweak to the landing sequence set to be implemented, based on data gained from SN10. Meanwhile, the first Super Heavy prototype continues stacking operations while parts for up to Starship SN20 are being staged at the Production Site.

These future vehicles are set to take up residence at a launch site SpaceX plans to expand, per updated documentation.

Starship SN10:

The clean-up of SN10 remains is continuing following what was a successful test flight.

Despite the Rapid Unplanned Disassembly (RUD) that occurred minutes after landing, SN10 achieved more milestones than her SN8 and SN9 sisters – both of which crashed into the pad and exploded.

SN10 mirrored the key objectives successfully undertaken by SN8 and SN9, including ascent profile, Raptor performance, and a stable return utilizing the aero surfaces. However, SN10 went a stage further, actually touching down on the landing pad in one piece.

This was, in part, thanks to the refined relight process for the Raptors, with three engines igniting ahead of the flip maneuver. This was a refinement to mitigate the issue suffered by SN9, which called for two Raptors to relight, only for one engine to fail, resulting in the vehicle being unable to complete the flip to vertical.

With all three Raptors lighting during SN10’s flip, the maneuver was completed. However, what was assumed to be immediate deselection of the one Raptor “with the least lever arm” wasn’t realized. All three Raptors remained on during the entire flip before two Raptors shut down quickly as SN10 came in for the vertical touchdown on a single engine.

SN10 appeared to be heading for a smooth landing. However, some of her landing legs did not lock into place during their deployment – which was assumed to be why the vehicle eventually exploded by coming down hard on her aft skirt resulting in tilt on the pad.

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SpaceX Transports Starship SN11 To The Boca Chica Beach Launch Pad

TESMANIAN by  Evelyn Arevalo March 08, 2021

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/sn11

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SpaceX is rapidly developing the Starship launch vehicle at Boca Chica Beach in South Texas, which SpaceX founder Elon Musk calls ‘Starbase, TX.’ He envisions a fleet of at least one hundred shiny Starships embarking on voyages to the Moon, Mars, and beyond. Less than a week ago, on March 3, SpaceX launched the Starship SN10 prototype on a 10-kilometer flight test above the sandy beach. The stainless-steel vehicle propelled into the sky with a Raptor engine trio, performed an amazing aerodynamic flight and belly-flop maneuver upon landing. SN10 became the first full-scale Starship prototype to ace a propulsive landing. Even though the vehicle exploded around eight minutes after landing, it was a successful test that enables the company to move forward towards making launching Starship prototypes routine in South Texas.

This morning, SpaceX transported the next prototype that will perform a flight test to the Boca Chica Beach launch pad. Starship SN11 was rolled out of the high-bay at the assembly facility and transported to the nearby launch pad less than five miles down the road. Boca Chica residents captured video of the gigantic vehicle’s transportation operation, shown below. Starship is 150-feet-tall, equivalent to a 15-story-high building. The vehicle will one day be capable of transporting 100 passengers to space destinations.

To make a spacefaring future a reality, SpaceX runs around-the-clock operations to develop the spacecraft. Musk previously said the company could test at least twenty Starship prototypes before launching one to orbit. Starship SN11 is expected to undergo preflight testing at the launch pad in the days ahead. The first test will be a series of proof tests to assess if the vehicle can withstand the stresses it would experience in-flight. After it passes the proof tests, then SN11’s three Raptor engines will undergo preflight testing, including Wet Dress Rehearsals (WDR) and brief static-fire test(s) to assess the vehicle’s and engines’ performance. If that goes well, we could see another Starship take flight this month! You can watch SpaceX South Texas Launch Site operations Live 24/7 in the video below, courtesy of LabPadre via YouTube.

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12:14 PM · Mar 8, 2021 from SpaceX South Texas Launch Site

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Why was the SpaceX Starship SN10 slanted when it landed?

Space Stack Exchange 3/6/2021

https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/50580/why-was-the-spacex-starship-sn10-slanted-when-it-landed
That was so disheartening seeing it RUD after landing.  I could just envision flying for a month to Mars and making a perfect landing.  You are getting ready to disembark and BOOM.  Ughhhhh....

Hopefully they create some better landing legs.  It did appear that when they shut down the 2 engines to land that there was still some type of flame coming from the skirt area.  Maybe methane burning off?

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Elon Musk Admits Mistake; SN11 Starship to Avoid Explosion Like SN10

Tech Times By Isaiah Alonzo 9 March 2021

https://www.techtimes.com/articles/257853/20210309/elon-musk-admits-mistake-sn11-starship-avoid-explosion-sn10.htm

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Elon Musk just announced that the SN11 Starship is in the works and would make up for SN10's mistakes and explosion that recently occurred in the test flight of the Stainless Steel spacecraft in Boca Chica. Twitter fans have spotted that the SN11's landing parts were being installed, and here, Musk admitted his fault on the failed SN10 test.

It takes a lot for a regular person to admit his mistakes, and it takes more for a CEO of multiple companies to do this, with Elon Musk publicly sharing how his decisions may have led to the explosion of the SN10. Moreover, all that is lost and the company did not dwell much on its demise, focusing its sights on crafting the next Starship, the SN11.

 Here, Elon Musk (@elonmusk) said that the SN10 explosion was because of a low-thrust on its engine for taking in too much Helium which mixed with the fuel tank of the SN10, thus resulting in its demise. Musk said that the company is working on "multiple fixes" to improve the next Starship, getting it ready in time for its flight test.
SpaceX SN11 Test Flight: Not Making the Same Mistakes as SN10

Elon Musk said in another tweet that it was his fault as to why the SN10 had Helium on its fuel tank which mixed with CH4 or Methane, causing a reaction that turned the chemicals back to liquid. Musk said that it was intended to add the methane, as it is a safety precaution to avoid what happened to the SN8's initial explosion.

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This is a tricky one given that I believe said helium pressurization was added to the CH4 header tank to mitigate what happened with SN8.

That's why it's a test program, of course.
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SN10 engine was low on thrust due (probably) to partial helium ingestion from fuel header tank. Impact of 10m/s crushed legs & part of skirt. Multiple fixes in work for SN11.
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Fair point. If autogenous pressurization had been used, CH4 bubbles would most likely have reverted to liquid.

Helium in header was used to prevent ullage collapse from slosh, which happened in prior flight. My fault for approving. Sounded good at the time.
2:18 PM · Mar 9, 2021


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SN11 Test Cancelled for Today.

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SpaceX Starship holds up under pressure, lines up Raptor engine test fire

TESLARATI By Eric Ralph 3/12/2021

https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-sn11-pressure-tests-static-fire/

After a few false starts and some minor delays, SpaceX’s 11th Starship prototype (SN11) has made it through two of the three major tests standing between it and liftoff.

SpaceX rolled Starship SN11 from the factory to the launch pad on March 8th, just five days after Starship SN10 briefly became the first prototype of its kind to land in one piece. One or two issues with Raptor’s final landing burn caused SN10 to touch down faster than expected and eventually led to the rocket’s explosive demise around 15 minutes later. Still, the test flight was an almost unequivocal success and seemingly left SpaceX with more than enough confidence to speed through preparations for the next flight test.

Heading into the next day, SpaceX had hoped to kick off cryogenic proof testing but Starship SN11 required a bit more attention than expected and unknown bugs ultimately meant that only an ambient-temperature pressure test could be completed by the end of the test window. Those issues appeared to persist through the end of March 10th, preventing any kind of proof test attempt.

Starship SN11 is undeniably on a faster track than any of its three-engine predecessors and a clean static fire on Friday or Monday would leave a launch next week – SpaceX’s current target– well within reach.

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Elon Musk reveals an early sign that SpaceX Starship SN10 was going to explode

CNET by Eric Mack 3/12/2021

https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musk-reveals-why-spacex-starship-sn10-exploded-after-landing/

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The prototype did more than just break a leg during its debut performance. There were other warning signs of a big finish.

A green flash as engines ignited for landing. A little too much speed. These were the early signs that SpaceX's SN10 rocket would join its predecessors in a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or RUD, as Elon Musk likes to call it.

On March 3, SpaceX finally appeared to make a soft landing of the latest prototype for its next-generation Starship rocket. But several minutes later, SN10, as the third prototype to make a high-altitude test flight was known, made an unplanned second flight after it exploded on the landing pad.

Elon Musk explained on Tuesday that the landing was actually a bit more crunchy than soft.

"Impact of 10 m/s (22 miles per hour) crushed legs & part of skirt," the SpaceX founder tweeted.

A close look at the landing of SN10 reveals it came in a little hot and fast. It even appeared to bounce slightly upon touching down.

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Starship SN11's test flight is NET (no earlier than) Tuesday, per the latest Temporary Flight Restrictions.

This requires a fast turnaround time after a good static fire test on Monday. Probably unlikely to happen, but it's a NET.

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Tuesday TFR 

Static fire on call for Monday.
Pretty breezy southerly surface winds Tuesday then shifting NE Wednesday bringing much clearer air for viewing. Nice weather for the remainder of the week so good chance Starship SN11 will fly!

https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_1_4748.html



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Failed Static Fire Today?

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​Engineers up the skirts tonight, remove one raptor tomorrow, replace it Wednesday, SF Friday, TFRs for Monday, Tuesday Wednesday next week. Big crow pie Thursday.

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Failed Static Fire Today?

Teuchter in Space!

​Engineers up the skirts tonight, remove one raptor tomorrow, replace it Wednesday, SF Friday, TFRs for Monday, Tuesday Wednesday next week. Big crow pie Thursday.

Elon Musk
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https://twitter.com/i/status/1371549960030842893
They are sure having a lot of raptor issues.  Seems like they change out at least one (33%) on every vehicle.  Just think if they had 28 of them in there and having to change out 9....UGHHHHH.

Watching the static fire today it looked like just one engine lit and it was shut down in a matter of seconds.

I hope they can get these issues worked out.

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Currently the Raptors are made in Hawthorne, sent to McGregor for testing and then sent to Boca Chica for installation.

Soon all of that will be performed in Boca Chica.

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When will SpaceX’s Starship SN11 fly & what will the orbital launch mount look like?

Mar 16, 2021  What about it!?


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SpaceX Aims To Perform First Orbital Flight Test With Starship & Super Heavy Rocket This Summer

TESMANIAN by Evelyn Arevalo March 16, 2021

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/super-heavy-booster-1

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SpaceX is rapidly developing the Starship launch vehicle at Boca Chica Beach in South Texas. The company has an ambitious timeline to accomplish, they target to have a space-ready Starship by 2023. According to NASASpaceflight reporters, SpaceX aims to perform the first orbital flight test with the Starship Super Heavy duo this summer, they currently target July 1st. To conduct an orbital flight SpaceX will require a Super Heavy rocket booster, which the company has not tested yet.

The Super Heavy rocket booster will propel the Starship spacecraft to space and return to be reused. It will be fully reusable, capable of performing multiple flights per day. The company says Super Heavy will be the most powerful rocket ever developed, generating over 16 million pounds of thrust with 28 Raptor engines, more than twice the power of NASA's Saturn V rocket that launched the Apollo missions to the Moon. The Raptor is a full-flow staged combustion engine fueled by sub-cooled liquid methane (CH4) and liquid oxygen (LOX) propellants. To date, the aerospace company has test launched six Starship spacecraft prototypes, some have flown with three Raptors. SpaceX is working on the assembly of the first Super Heavy rocket booster prototype. Engineers started to manufacture a booster referred to as, booster number one, ‘BN1’, inside a giant high-bay at Boca Chica, pictured below. The vehicle will undergo a series of tests before SpaceX decides to launch a Super Heavy to space.

Right now, SpaceX is preparing Starship SN11 [serial number 11] to conduct a high-altitude flight test this month. NASASpaceflight says it obtained exclusive information that suggests SpaceX will skip testing/production of the next prototypes in the series ‘SN12, SN13, SN14’ and move on to advanced stages in Starship’s development. –“Following SN11’s flight, SpaceX will move on to SN15, 16, and 17, alongside testing with Super Heavy prototypes BN1 and BN2, before shooting for an orbital launch with SN20 and BN3,” NASASpaceflight reports. With less than three months until Summer, SpaceX is expected to increase its testing and iteration rate at Boca Chica, their goal is to perform the first test launch to space with Starship SN20 and Super Heavy BN3 by July. The first orbital launch mount is under construction already, pictured below. SpaceX founder Elon Musk said that Super Heavy will not land on the ground, the 230-feet-tall rocket will be ‘catched’ by a launch tower. “We’re going to try to catch the Super Heavy Booster with the launch tower arm, using the grid fins to take the load,” Musk said. We can expect to see the launch tower taking shape at Boca Chica in the months ahead. SpaceX envisions transforming the area into a '21st Century Spaceport' from where a Starship fleet will liftoff to the Moon and Mars one day.

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SpaceX Aims To Perform First Orbital Flight Test With Starship & Super Heavy Rocket This Summer

TESMANIAN by Evelyn Arevalo March 16, 2021

https://www.tesmanian.com/blogs/tesmanian-blog/super-heavy-booster-1
Using the grid fins to catch the booster....  WOW!  Can't wait to see that.

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SN11 Update, A starship prototype costs around $ 216 million, where does Spacex get the money.

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sn11 did a spring equinox dance today

https://twitter.com/i/status/1373520044404129792