Convict Trump: The Constitution is more important than abortion

[Chosen Daughter]

Convict Trump: The Constitution is more important than abortion

Christians should advocate for President Donald J. Trump’s conviction and removal from office by the Senate. While Trump has an excellent record of appointing conservative judges and advancing a prolife agenda, his criminal conduct endangers the Constitution. The Constitution is more important than the prolife cause because without the Constitution, prolife advocacy would be meaningless.

The fact that we live in a democratic republic is what enables us to turn our prolife convictions from private opinion into public advocacy. In other systems of government, the government does not care what its citizens think or believe. Only when the government is forced to take counsel from its citizens through elections, representation, and majoritarian rule do our opinions count.

Our democratic Constitution — adopted to “secure the blessings of liberty” for all Americans — is what guarantees that our voice matters. Without it, we can talk about the evils of abortion until we are blue in the face and it will never affect abortion policy one iota. The Constitution — with its guarantees of free speech, free assembly, the right to petition the government, regular elections, and the peaceful transfer of power — is the only thing that forces the government to listen to us.

Trump’s behavior is a threat to our Constitutional order. The facts behind his impeachment show that he abused a position of public trust for private gain, the definition of corruption and abuse of power. More worryingly, he refused to comply with Congress’s power to investigate his conduct, a fundamental breach of the checks and balances that is the bedrock of our Constitutional order...………

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/convict-trump-the-constitution-is-more-important-than-abortion.html

[Wingnut]

Previously posted by another trump hating place.  Pile it on TDS Queen .

[Chosen Daughter]

Previously posted by another trump hating place.  Pile it on TDS Queen .

Actually I found it looking at President Trumps twitter.  Ironic isn't it?  I went there to see what kind of Christmas greeting there was.  And the only thing was about Christmas sales being up.  And in the comments relating to Trumps Christmas tweets there it was. 

And you can call it hating, but it is the second one by another Christian news site.  And it is a great read about Constitution and history. 


One of the articles of impeachment drafted against President Richard Nixon in 1974 charged him with contempt of Congress because he refused to respond to Congressional subpoenas for documents related to his criminal behavior. Nixon withheld information, claimed executive privilege, and appealed to the Supreme Court. The Court unanimously rejected his claims, firmly establishing that the president is not above the law and is subject to the legal process.

The same charge has now been levied against Trump for the same behavior. Trump refused to comply with Congressional subpoenas and claimed the impeachment inquiry was illegitimate. Trump’s lawyers have literally argued in court that, while president, Trump should be immune from investigation or prosecution for any criminal conduct.

If Trump is acquitted by the Senate and his legal claims are vindicated, his acquittal essentially reverses the Supreme Court’s decision against Nixon. Trump’s acquittal (coupled with Clinton’s, in 1999) would mean that, over time, a future president can abuse his power, obstruct justice, commit perjury, profit from office, defy Congress, ignore subpoenas, seize Congress’ power of the purse, never reveal tax records, admit to sexual assault, violate campaign finance laws, intimidate witnesses, and disregard truth with impunity, firm in the knowledge that he faces no accountability, no check, no balance, no consequence, and no higher law.

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/convict-trump-the-constitution-is-more-important-than-abortion.html

[Absalom]

The Natural Law condemns abortion as a mortal threat to the family unit,
the bedrock of all cultures/societies.
Political Documents include the Magna Carta, Declaration of the Rights of Man,
Treatise on Government, Summa Theologica, US Constitution; among many.
The most important depends on who is grinding their ax.
Journo needs to wise up as none are more important than the Natural Law!!!

[Wingnut]

Actually I found it looking at President Trumps twitter.  Ironic isn't it?  I went there to see what kind of Christmas greeting there was.  And the only thing was about Christmas sales being up.  And in the comments relating to Trumps Christmas tweets there it was. 

And you can call it hating, but it is the second one by another Christian news site.  And it is a great read about Constitution and history.

Right.  Keep telling yourself that is why you posted it.  Carry on.  The hate is eating you alive and you don't even know it

[PeteS in CA]

Convict Trump of what crime?

The transcript of "the phone call" disproves the first article of impeachment. As did the President of Ukraine.

The second article of impeachment is an attempt to deny Trump a right guaranteed by the Constitution, the right to petition the government, specifically to challenge subpoenas in court. IOW, the second article of impeachment violates the US Constitution.

Not that the writer of that opinion piece cares about facts. Maybe he thinks Orange Man Bad is grounds for impeachment.

[DB]

I'm not aware of any actual criminal law Trump has broken.

[Chosen Daughter]

The Natural Law condemns abortion as a mortal threat to the family unit,
the bedrock of all cultures/societies.
Political Documents include the Magna Carta, Declaration of the Rights of Man,
Treatise on Government, Summa Theologica, US Constitution; among many.
The most important depends on who is grinding their ax.
Journo needs to wise up as none are more important than the Natural Law!!!

Well if you read the article you would realize that our Constitution is the document that is the bedrock to natural law.  If it goes to the wayside then all morality ant natural law will also.

I fully expect Trump to declare the Christian Post a leftist organization also even though they also have articles which are pro Trump and Conservative.

[EdinVA]

Well if you read the article you would realize that our Constitution is the document that is the bedrock to natural law.  If it goes to the wayside then all morality ant natural law will also.

I fully expect Trump to declare the Christian Post a leftist organization also even though they also have articles which are pro Trump and Conservative.

So, then you assert that without the federal government we have no morality?
I would suggest that the government is immoral by definition.  We "hire" the government to wage war, execute criminals, incarcerate law breakers, etc. so if we are depending on the constitution/government to ensure morality, we are already sunk.

[dfwgator]

Convict Trump of what crime?
 

He has transgressed "The Unwritten Law"

[jmyrlefuller]

This is a weird piece.

First, it treats the Democrats as acting in good faith while denying the same benefit of doubt to the President. (It's pretty obvious, at least to me, that the Democrats are not acting in good faith and that there are, and always were, political motivations for all this maneuvering.)

But as for abortion, how has Brett Kavanaugh ruled that has increased protections for the unborn? So far, he hasn't. The one case that he's ruled on so far involving any related issue, he ruled in favor of Planned Parenthood. Not a good start.

My stance on this... and maybe given recent editorials I should flesh this out into a full essay (but not tonight; after all, it is Christmas, and we should at least have peace for today), is that there may indeed be things that disqualify Donald Trump from the presidency and warrant his removal from office. This row, however, is not one of them. The only ones abusing the system for their own political gain are the Democrats.

[jmyrlefuller]

And furthermore, the author quotes Lincoln in support of his slippery-slope fallacy when Lincoln abused the power of the Presidency more than any other President!

[Wingnut]

Well if you read the article you would realize that our Constitution is the document that is the bedrock to natural law.  If it goes to the wayside then all morality ant natural law will also.

I fully expect Trump to declare the Christian Post a leftist organization also even though they also have articles which are pro Trump and Conservative.

When hit hit bottom you need to stop digging.

[Absalom]

Well if you read the article you would realize that our Constitution is the document that is the bedrock to natural law.  If it goes to the wayside then all morality ant natural law will also.
I fully expect Trump to declare the Christian Post a leftist organization also even though they also have articles which are pro Trump and Conservative.

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So our Constitution is the bedrock of Natural Law, is it???
Actually the Natural Law predates all created law of any/all
nation states, existing independently of them, by 8,000+ years.
It is derived from the behavior of human nature, discovered
by the rules of logical reasoning, eternal and universal.
Our Constitution was written 9,800 years later!!!

[TomSea]

National Review puts out editorials for both sides of the issue sometimes. I find it hard to get too carried away with editorials.

SCOTUS doesn't uphold the Constitution in the first place, so then what?  SCOTUS, some of them, say the Constitution is a living document, they are not faithful to its original meaning.

[Mesaclone]

I'm not aware of any actual criminal law Trump has broken.

The 11th Commandment:
Thou shalt not threateneth the Deep State nor ridiculeth the Socialists.

[sneakypete]

Convict Trump of what crime?

 

@PeteS in CA

He kept Jebbie out of the White House.

[sneakypete]

The 11th Commandment:
Thou shalt not threateneth the Deep State nor ridiculeth the Socialists.

@Mesaclone

He kept Jebbie or some other RINO from occupying the WH. Isn't that a crime in Rinoland?

[Maj. Bill Martin]

The fact that we live in a democratic republic is what enables us to turn our prolife convictions from private opinion into public advocacy. In other systems of government, the government does not care what its citizens think or believe. Only when the government is forced to take counsel from its citizens through elections, representation, and majoritarian rule do our opinions count.

Wow.  Just wow.  The article got exactly right the importance of preserving democratic values, but then fired in the exact wrong direction.

It has been the Democrats from day one who have refused to accept the result of a valid election and sought to undermine republican rule.  They are on record as trying to limit the freedom of political speech, with every single Democrat Senator signing on as a sponsor to a constitution amendment intended to eviscerate the First Amendment.  They want to grant citizenship to tens of millions of people here illegally so as to guarantee their victory in future elections, and those new voters come from nations that don't share our core political values.  If your concern is truly preserving those values, putting those people in power is the absolute worst thing you could do.  Yet, you and others supposedly concerned about preserving a democratic system are doing your damnedest to tear down the only realistic alternative to one of those Democrats gaining the White House.

Exactly what has Trump done that threatens the Constitutional order??  Despite having had a bunch of different federal district court judges twist the law to strike down valid orders, and then abusing their authority with national injunctions against some of his executive actions, Trump has never once defied those orders.  Instead, he has properly taken appeals through the judicial system, and been validated in whole or in part every single time. 

The Executive Branch is equal, not subordinate to, Congress.  If there is a dispute over Executive Privilege - the concept of which was actually upheld by the Nixon court - then it is up to the courts to resolve it.  And if the time were to come when the courts resolve it against Trump, and he still refuses to comply, then you'd have a case that he threatens the democratic order.  But to claim that now is simply ridiculous, and accomplishes nothing but to advance the political agenda of the exact people who have been trying to undue the 2016 election.

[sneakypete]

Wow.  Just wow.  The article got exactly right the importance of preserving democratic values, but then fired in the exact wrong direction.

It has been the Democrats from day one who have refused to accept the result of a valid election and sought to undermine republican rule.  They are on record as trying to limit the freedom of political speech, with every single democrat Senator signing on as a sponsor to a constitution amendment intended to eviscerate the First Amendment.  They want to grant citizenship to tens of millions of people here illegally so as to guarantee their victory in future elections, and those new voters come from nations that don't share our core political values.  If your concern is truly preserving those values, putting those people in power is the absolute worst thing you could do.

Exactly what has Trump done that threatens the Constitutional order??  Despite having had a bunch of different federal district court judges twist the law to strike down valid orders, and then abusing their authority with national injunctions against some of his executive actions, Trum has never once defied those orders.  Instead, he has properly taken appeals through the judicial system, and been validated in whole or in part every single time. 

The Executive Branch is equal, not subordinate to, Congress.  If there is a dispute over Executive Privilege - the concept of which was actually upheld by the Nixon court - then it is up to the courts to resolve it.  And if the time were to come when the courts resolve it against Trump, and he still refuses to comply, then you'd have a case that he threatens the democratic order.  But to claim that now is simply ridiculous, and accomplishes nothing but to advance the political agenda of the exact people who have been trying to undue the 2016 election.

@Maj. Bill Martin

THAT! ALL of THAT,plus the obvious gun confiscation scheme working it's way forward in Virginia tells me the Dims are ready to start a revolution while they still control Congress.

They know that if Trump is re-elected and the Republicans take back control of Congress again,it is over for them because not only will their supply of foreign voters be cut off,the ones already here will be getting deported in masses.

I am genuinely believing the Northam/Virginia gun confiscation theme is a test run to see if they can get away with disarming the Republic so they can just go ahead and seize control without having to bother with elections. The multi-generational elites like Northam really and truly believe they are American Aristocracy and born to rule,and they are tired of waiting.

Beat the rush. Start buying your rope now.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

@Maj. Bill Martin

THAT! ALL of THAT,plus the obvious gun confiscation scheme working it's way forward in Virginia tells me the Dims are ready to start a revolution while they still control Congress.

They know that if Trump is re-elected and the Republicans take back control of Congress again,it is over for them because not only will their supply of foreign voters be cut off,the ones already here will be getting deported in masses.

I am genuinely believing the Northam/Virginia gun confiscation theme is a test run to see if they can get away with disarming the Republic so they can just go ahead and seize control without having to bother with elections. The multi-generational elites like Northam really and truly believe they are American Aristocracy and born to rule,and they are tired of waiting.

Beat the rush. Start buying your rope now.

I honestly don't get it.  I know some swing voters -- including some who voted for Hillary and detest Trump -- who are planning on voting for Trump because they are horrified by how the Democrats have acted since the election.  The absolute core of the democratic bargain is a willingness to accept the results of an election you don't like, and the Democrats have broken that bargain.  If you listen to them now, the dominant mantra is that they want to ensure that nobody like Trump can ever get elected again.  That scares even some of those who detest Trump.

So the rest of these folks who consider themselves conservatives, yet are willing to bandwagon on the Democrats' effort to overturn an election.  Just...wow.

[Mesaclone]

Wow.  Just wow.  The article got exactly right the importance of preserving democratic values, but then fired in the exact wrong direction.

It has been the Democrats from day one who have refused to accept the result of a valid election and sought to undermine republican rule.  They are on record as trying to limit the freedom of political speech, with every single Democrat Senator signing on as a sponsor to a constitution amendment intended to eviscerate the First Amendment.  They want to grant citizenship to tens of millions of people here illegally so as to guarantee their victory in future elections, and those new voters come from nations that don't share our core political values.  If your concern is truly preserving those values, putting those people in power is the absolute worst thing you could do.  Yet, you and others supposedly concerned about preserving a democratic system are doing your damnedest to tear down the only realistic alternative to one of those Democrats gaining the White House.

Exactly what has Trump done that threatens the Constitutional order??  Despite having had a bunch of different federal district court judges twist the law to strike down valid orders, and then abusing their authority with national injunctions against some of his executive actions, Trump has never once defied those orders.  Instead, he has properly taken appeals through the judicial system, and been validated in whole or in part every single time. 

The Executive Branch is equal, not subordinate to, Congress.  If there is a dispute over Executive Privilege - the concept of which was actually upheld by the Nixon court - then it is up to the courts to resolve it.  And if the time were to come when the courts resolve it against Trump, and he still refuses to comply, then you'd have a case that he threatens the democratic order.  But to claim that now is simply ridiculous, and accomplishes nothing but to advance the political agenda of the exact people who have been trying to undue the 2016 election.

Maybe the best post I've read since starting here on the site...a good 4 years or so at this point. Absolutely gutted the idiocy that taking down Trump is somehow saving the Constitution...when what's actually killing the Constitution is this childish left wing (and GOP establishment) rejection of the 2016 election and the ensuing attempt to overturn it through non-democratic means. Essentially, an attempted bureaucratic coup' attempt. VERY well said.

[truth_seeker]

The 11th Commandment:
Thou shalt not threateneth the Deep State nor ridiculeth the Socialists.

like

[sneakypete]

So the rest of these folks who consider themselves conservatives, yet are willing to bandwagon on the Democrats' effort to overturn an election.  Just...wow.

@Maj.Bill Martin

 Those people were never really Republicans to begin with. They are and have always been RINO's who registered as Republicans for social reasons.

[Right_in_Virginia]

Wow.  Just wow.  The article got exactly right the importance of preserving democratic values, but then fired in the exact wrong direction.

It has been the Democrats from day one who have refused to accept the result of a valid election and sought to undermine republican rule.  They are on record as trying to limit the freedom of political speech, with every single Democrat Senator signing on as a sponsor to a constitution amendment intended to eviscerate the First Amendment.  They want to grant citizenship to tens of millions of people here illegally so as to guarantee their victory in future elections, and those new voters come from nations that don't share our core political values.  If your concern is truly preserving those values, putting those people in power is the absolute worst thing you could do.  Yet, you and others supposedly concerned about preserving a democratic system are doing your damnedest to tear down the only realistic alternative to one of those Democrats gaining the White House.

Exactly what has Trump done that threatens the Constitutional order??  Despite having had a bunch of different federal district court judges twist the law to strike down valid orders, and then abusing their authority with national injunctions against some of his executive actions, Trump has never once defied those orders.  Instead, he has properly taken appeals through the judicial system, and been validated in whole or in part every single time. 

The Executive Branch is equal, not subordinate to, Congress.  If there is a dispute over Executive Privilege - the concept of which was actually upheld by the Nixon court - then it is up to the courts to resolve it.  And if the time were to come when the courts resolve it against Trump, and he still refuses to comply, then you'd have a case that he threatens the democratic order.  But to claim that now is simply ridiculous, and accomplishes nothing but to advance the political agenda of the exact people who have been trying to undue the 2016 election.

  @Maj. Bill Martin   

Thank you!!