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The political meaning of Christmas
« on: December 25, 2019, 02:20:09 pm »
The political meaning of Christmas
American Thinker, Dec 25, 2019, Mike Konrad

Most of us, myself included, do not often reflect on the true meaning of Christmas. Christ came to earth to save flawed human beings. We tend to think of this on a personal level, but it applies to every facet of history. Some of the greatest men in history have been seriously flawed.

Peter was an emotional coward who denied Jesus three times.  Yet Peter was an elder in the church at Jerusalem, and wrote epistles.  Even then, Peter remained so flawed that Paul had to rebuke him on matters of doctrine, dogma, and morals.

And who was this Paul? He had been a persecutor of the church. Yet, after Paul was saved on the road to Damascus, he went on to author most of the New Testament. Paul remained a seriously flawed man, as any who have read his epistles can see. He considered himself the chief of all sinners, and suggested that we all adopt the same view of ourselves.

If one is Jewish, Moses the Lawgiver was a murderer, as was David. Many of the prophets and heroes in the Jewish portion of Scripture were horribly weak. Jeremiah was a crybaby.

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An honest appraisal of history shows that many of our heroes were scoundrels. So what?

And this is what is going on with Trump.

It is not that Trump is perfect. But his critics are sanctimonious, and often worse than Trump -- at least on a moral plane.  And even here, the Christmas story has a point,  Jesus came to save sinners, not the perfect. The only ones that Jesus ever condemned were the clergy of his day… for being sanctimonious.

I am not inclined to say Trump is God’s anointed, as some Evangelicals do. That title is properly left only to Christ. But I am inclined to think that God has his hand on Trump, who, as flawed as he is, is a lot more humble than many of his sanctimonious critics.

All human beings are flawed. That is why Christ had to come.

Merry Christmas.

More: https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2019/12/the_political_meaning_of_christmas.html

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2019, 02:21:17 pm »
The author takes us on a ride through history's leaders .....  worth the read. 


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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2019, 03:00:32 pm »
Interesting. Will give this some time later today...

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2019, 06:43:37 pm »
This was unnecessary, divisive and rude.

In other words, par for the course.
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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2019, 10:45:12 pm »
This is offensive.  Trump grew up in a Protestant church and never needed forgiveness.  Still couldn't even figure out what the little wine and cracker was for.

The truth of Christmas is that Jesus came into the world to be a Savior.  Not a conquering King, but to capture hearts and save them from this sinful world.  Trump can't even acknowledge that he ever needed forgiveness from sin.

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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2019, 11:00:10 pm »
What does Trump think of Christmas?


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2019 HOLIDAY RETAIL SALES WERE UP 3.4% FROM LAST YEAR, THE BIGGEST NUMBER IN U.S. HISTORY. CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA!
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The message of the true gift of Christmas appears to be lost on money.
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AG William Barr: "I'm recused from that matter because one of the law firms that represented Epstein long ago was a firm that I subsequently joined for a period of time."

Alexander Acosta Labor Secretary resigned under pressure concerning his "sweetheart deal" with Jeffrey Epstein.  He was under consideration for AG after Sessions was removed, but was forced to resign instead.

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2019, 03:58:43 pm »
That's right.

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It is not that Trump is perfect. But his critics are sanctimonious, and often worse than Trump -- at least on a moral plane.  And even here, the Christmas story has a point, 

Jesus came to save sinners, not the perfect. The only ones that Jesus ever condemned were the clergy of his day… for being sanctimonious.

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2019, 04:27:45 pm »
What does Trump think of Christmas?


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2019 HOLIDAY RETAIL SALES WERE UP 3.4% FROM LAST YEAR, THE BIGGEST NUMBER IN U.S. HISTORY. CONGRATULATIONS AMERICA!
12:32 PM - 25 Dec 2019

The message of the true gift of Christmas appears to be lost on money.



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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2019, 06:58:15 pm »
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Seriously?  You missed the sanctimony of the religious elders being similar to yours?

Seriously?

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2019, 07:05:33 pm »
Seriously?  You missed the sanctimony of the religious elders being similar to yours?

Seriously?

No, I see you being sanctimonious... Is that what you mean?

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2019, 07:13:33 pm »
No, I see you being sanctimonious... Is that what you mean?

How am I being sanctimonious?  I believe Jesus came to save the imperfect --- and reviewing history from biblical times shows God chooses the man perfect for the job to be done, not perfect according to religious know betters.

Oxygen must get a little thin on your mountaintop this time of year. :shrug:

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2019, 07:20:47 pm »
How am I being sanctimonious?  I believe Jesus came to save the imperfect --- and reviewing history from biblical times shows God chooses the man perfect for the job to be done, not perfect according to religious know betters.

Oxygen must get a little thin on your mountaintop this time of year. :shrug:

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Nah... You forget REPENTENCE... Which makes your sanctimonious attack against Christians not only false, but hypocritical.

Equally absurd, your bold celebration of sinfulness in leaders - as if it can be ignored - Not just ignored, but sponsored even, by no less than the Almighty.

What pedestrian pap.  *****rollingeyes*****

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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2019, 07:39:12 pm »
@Right_in_Virginia

Nah... You forget REPENTENCE... Which makes your sanctimonious attack against Christians not only false, but hypocritical.

Equally absurd, your bold celebration of sinfulness in leaders - as if it can be ignored - Not just ignored, but sponsored even, by no less than the Almighty.

What pedestrian pap.  *****rollingeyes*****

What attack, sanctimonious or otherwise, have I made against Christians?

I stand squarely with Jesus' outrage at sanctimonious men who use the Law as a weapon to bludgeon and malign people. The sanctimonious would do well to learn the spirit of the Law.





 
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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #16 on: December 26, 2019, 07:50:39 pm »
What attack, sanctimonious or otherwise, have I made against Christians?

I stand squarely with Jesus' outrage at sanctimonious men who use the Law as a weapon to bludgeon and malign people. Such people would do well to learn the spirit of the Law.

 

Rather the other way around. Yeshua attacked those who put their traditions above YHWH's law, in every_single_case. It was those traditions whether intending to tighten or loosen, that mocked YHWH and made his law null. In every_single_case. The law itself was not the issue.

But in fact, there is no justice without law, no law without mercy, and no grace (mercy) without repentance.

It seems you would benefit from further study.


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« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2019, 08:00:49 pm »
It seems you would benefit from meeting Jesus.

LOL!

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« Reply #19 on: December 26, 2019, 08:03:16 pm »
Is that a threat?

I have no idea what you're referring to.

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« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2019, 09:04:46 pm »
I recall that one reason for this site, was the mistreatment of Mormons, at the previously popula popular "conservative" site.

Now GOPBR, which once ruled out religion, is less and less attractive, foor similar reasons.

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« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2019, 09:09:56 pm »
I recall that one reason for this site, was the mistreatment of Mormons, at the previously popula popular "conservative" site.

Now GOPBR, which once ruled out religion, is less and less attractive, foor similar reasons.

so negative. so repetitive.
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Re: The political meaning of Christmas
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2019, 11:05:08 pm »
Good grief folks.  Merry Christmas

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