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This is written perfectly.  It is "perfect".  A "perfect article.  A call to Christians to think about who they are.
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No. The perfect article resides in the archives of this forum.
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No. The perfect article resides in the archives of this forum.
Odyssey of a NeverTrumper
http://www.gopbriefingroom.com/index.php/topic,218923.0.html

There  is no political system that will restore the world and men to the pre-fall state. However, there are things that I can do, both in my public and my private life, that will better or worsen myself, and by extension the sphere in which I live and act.

Amen and amen.

This, or we can continue to kvetch endlessly about our imperfect president.

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Re: Trump Should Be Removed from Office (Christianity Today editorial)
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2019, 04:22:06 pm »
Trump is flawed.

His opposition is evil.

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Re: Trump Should Be Removed from Office (Christianity Today editorial)
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2019, 04:27:03 pm »
Rather than try to sell that view to an electorate that will never buy that position, why not just get someone else?

Is there no one else in this country who can (better?) communicate Trump's valid views on trade, immigration, etc without being an anathema to an unsustainable percentage of 18-29 year-olds, blacks, Latinos, Asians, college grads, (and now an increasing number of Evangelicals?) who are long past exhausted of this elderly man's infantilism? Isn't it reasonable to believe that other voters in this country don't have the capacity to continually excuse this man's behavior the way that his most ardent supporters do?

 

Do you have any ideas?  I sure don't see anybody out there.    God has always used flawed men for His purpose.   

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Not familiar with the magazine or its readership, but I'd be curious to see if there is any blowback among subscribers, or whether they already lean left.

I do think it is in incredibly poor taste for a religious magazine to take this kind of stance on a purely political issue.  It's incredibly divisive.

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Re: Trump Should Be Removed from Office (Christianity Today editorial)
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2019, 04:30:13 pm »
:amen:

I should qualify my statement, by "Opposition" I mean Democrats and Liberals,  and not Conservatives who have issues with Trump's behavior, even though I disagree with them. 

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Not familiar with the magazine or its readership, but I'd be curious to see if there is any blowback among subscribers, or whether they already lean left.

I do think it is in incredibly poor taste for a religious magazine to take this kind of stance on a purely political issue.  It's incredibly divisive.

Especially one founded by Billy Graham, who studiously avoided any impression of partisanship in his own ministry. I guess everything has been corrupted these days.
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Not familiar with the magazine or its readership, but I'd be curious to see if there is any blowback among subscribers, or whether they already lean left.

I do think it is in incredibly poor taste for a religious magazine to take this kind of stance on a purely political issue.  It's incredibly divisive.

The Catholic Bishop of Knoxville regularly takes to twitter to excoriate POTUS. He has been called on it many times but persists.

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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1207997319821615105

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
....have a Radical Left nonbeliever, who wants to take your religion & your guns, than Donald Trump as your President. No President has done more for the Evangelical community, and it’s not even close. You’ll not get anything from those Dems on stage. I won’t be reading ET again!
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The President pretends he is functionally literate, and cancels his subscription to Entertainment Tonight in retaliation.   :laugh:

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The Catholic Bishop of Knoxville regularly takes to twitter to excoriate POTUS. He has been called on it many times but persists.



That's interesting. So does he also excoriate the Pope that steps out of the bounds of the congregation he leads as well? That should be more in his wheelhouse.

Until Christianity Today and other religions sweep around their own doorsteps, silence is their friend. This is incredibly two faced.

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Here's why some Trump-skeptical evangelicals are losing patience with him

by Madeline Fry

December 20, 2019 03:49 PM



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The Christianity Today editorial comes at a time when a growing number of evangelicals are concerned by the actions of their own peers. After Trump quipped that deceased Rep. John Dingell was “looking up” from hell, he was quickly condemned by Christian singer Nichole Nordeman and evangelical blogger Erick Erickson.

Paula White, Trump’s spiritual adviser, instead tweeted just hours later, “Tonight we lift up our President, @realDonaldTrump in prayer against all wickedness & demonic schemes against him and his purpose in the name of Jesus.”

What about the wickedness on her own side of the aisle?

Evangelicals at Christianity Today and elsewhere are growing tired of their associates praising the president for his policies while actively ignoring his immoral actions. They could separate the politics from the man. Instead — and this is the better option if you want White House invites — they praise both.

For Christianity Today, time’s up on this two-faced submissiveness. The magazine's message seems to echo the thoughts of many readers. There might have been a time to maintain both support for Trump the president and condemnation for Trump the man. But the hypocrisy of prominent evangelical leaders destroyed that opportunity for nuance long ago.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/christianity-today-reveals-why-some-evangelicals-are-done-with-trump
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The wolves are the religious people playing cover for immoral Trump.

More like.... defending an unjustly accused man, which is what true and real Christians are supposed to do (ie thou shalt not bear false witness).   And there is nobody anywhere in the universe that is more "immoral" than your average DemocRat deep stater.
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Ahem.....

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https://www.foxnews.com/media/trump-graham-christianity-today-remove-billy-franklin-impeach

Franklin Graham slams Christianity Today for invoking father's name in call for Trump's removal

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Evangelist Franklin Graham told Fox News his father "dissociated himself from the magazine years ago" and was "disappointed" himself by the "moral high ground" they've tried to take but don't have for invoking his father's name to get rid of Trump.
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Especially one founded by Billy Graham, who studiously avoided any impression of partisanship in his own ministry. I guess everything has been corrupted these days.
As posted on Facebook by Decision Magazine, the publication of the Billy Graham Evangelical Association:
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"Christianity Today released an editorial stating that President Trump should be removed from office—and they invoked my father’s name (I suppose to try to bring legitimacy to their statements), so I feel it is important for me to respond. Yes, my father Billy Graham founded Christianity Today; but no, he would not agree with their opinion piece. In fact, he would be very disappointed." —Franklin Graham
I'm puzzled that CT took such a partisan political stance. I think it will not go well for them.

Incidentally, CT didn't have to tell me Trump is a sinner. I am well aware. I'm also aware that we all are sinners, and every president from 1-44 also was a sinner.


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Paraphrasing Paine, Trump, his supporters and his haters; reflect our very trying times.
Imagine for a moment the likes of Trump as a Founding Father.

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The guy who wrote the article is leaving the magazine in two weeks, so this is just a beef article.

Kinda hard to see how he got his job in a magazine which Billy Graham helped establish.
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The wolves are the religious people playing cover for immoral Trump.

What would Jesus do @Chosen Daughter

Would He say: "Use My Name to surrender to the destroyers of the last best hope of all on Earth"  --- or would He say: "I have made this flawed man available to lead your fight at a time such as this"

I think Jesus would remind us not to fall prey to those who use His Name to harm His people ---- and now is a time to be wise as serpents.

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Paraphrasing Paine, Trump, his supporters and his haters; reflect our very trying times.
Imagine for a moment the likes of Trump as a Founding Father.

Just how has the President broken with the Founding Fathers?

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The Catholic Bishop of Knoxville regularly takes to twitter to excoriate POTUS. He has been called on it many times but persists.

@don-o

He's keep at it too,until someone buys his silence.
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Paraphrasing Paine, Trump, his supporters and his haters; reflect our very trying times.
Imagine for a moment the likes of Trump as a Founding Father.
Our Founding Fathers were all patriots.

So is Trump.

Why not try to imagine instead Schiff or Pelosi being a Founding Father. 

That will make you throw up.
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Just how has the President broken with the Founding Fathers?

Ohh good grief, I can just see Trump at the convention.... "and government should have the right to take guns without due process"... and excuse it with something like "Well I have Old England values and always will"....
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Again, completely inconsequential what this fool says.  The fact is that the evangelical folks I know, to the man and woman, are ardent Trump supporters.

Think of it like the Roman Catholic church rank and file.  The church opposes birth control and abortion, and yet the vast majority of Catholics use or resort to both and ignore the church's position.  This editor will influence a minute number.  Why?  Because common sense champions any form of bias, political, religious, whatever!!!!!

And frankly, ask yourself, how much would Soros have to bribe this guy to get him to say this?  I think half a million would have this puke saying the devil is the true god.
Sorry, but only 40% of Catholics have said abortion is okay, and that doesn't mean they have had one or been 'in on it'. That's a long way from "the vast majority". sourceSome forms of birth control are acceptable to the Church, some are not. So your statement is meaningless, anyway, especially if you are lumping the two together to get "the vast majority" even though the statement misleads to believe it applies to abortion.

The percentage of Catholics who regard abortion as OK is about the same as any other denomination, and Ill agree that's too high.

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Ohh good grief, I can just see Trump at the convention.... "and government should have the right to take guns without due process"... and excuse it with something like "Well I have Old England values and always will"....

@Sighlass

Are you drunk,or just retarded? Maybe drunk AND retarded?
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The percentage of Catholics who regard abortion as OK is about the same as any other denomination, and Ill agree that's too high.

@Smokin Joe

How would anyone on either side of that argument know that? Do you really think Devout Catholics that support abortion and birth control,or who have had an abortion or taken birth control pills,etc,etc,etc will admit it outside of the confession booth?
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@Smokin Joe

How would anyone on either side of that argument know that? Do you really think Devout Catholics that support abortion and birth control,or who have had an abortion or taken birth control pills,etc,etc,etc will admit it outside of the confession booth?
I don't think it is the Devout Catholics who are in that 40%, but more likely the 'cafeteria Catholics' like Pelosi who claim it when it suits them, and only pick what they want off the buffet.
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