Christianity Today, influential evangelical magazine, says Trump 'should be removed from office'

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Oh,get off of it. Name ONE "powered by pure fairy farts" the loser you supported was going to nominate. You hate Trump,and nothing he can ever do will be good enough for you.

@sneakypete

No, I do not hate Tump. I don't hate anyone that I am aware of, except maybe the ex-wife, and I am working on that. I do find him laughable - A caricature, and a buffoon.

I am judging him solely upon the principles of Conservatism. The thing I am here to defend.  The very thing which he does not possess *at all*, which is why so many feel the need to deflect for him instead of facing it squarely.

[roamer_1]

I don't disagree, but I also acknowledge that "Christian standard bearing" is not part of the job description of President of the United States. I certainly never expected it of Trump.

It certainly is expected by the Christian Right - The upholding of Judeo-Christian principles.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

@Once-Ler

I am laughing my ass off at all the trash you are going to hear from your fellow lefties for supporting Evangelical Christians.

The nice thing about laughing at stuff you are ignorant about, is others get to laugh with you.  Merry Christmas @sneakypete

[mountaineer]

It certainly is expected by the Christian Right - The upholding of Judeo-Christian principles.

I'm the Christian Right, I suppose. Yes, I'd like those in authority to uphold Judeo-Christian principles. That certainly would be better for all Americans.

No one looking at the candidates we had in November, 2016, can honestly say they expected either to be "an effective standard-bearer for the Christian witness." Maybe of Mike Pence, but not of Trump and certainly not of Hillary or her hapless running mate.

[roamer_1]

I'm the Christian Right, I suppose. Yes, I'd like those in authority to uphold Judeo-Christian principles. That certainly would be better for all Americans.

No one looking at the candidates we had in November, 2016, can honestly say they expected either to be "an effective standard-bearer for the Christian witness." Maybe of Mike Pence, but not of Trump and certainly not of Hillary or her hapless running mate.

 
Which is why I went to the Constitution Party.
You get more of what you vote *for*

[roamer_1]

@y'all

It is a wonder to me that Democrats are always encouraged to vote for the most extreme hard left candidates...
And Republicans are always encouraged to settle for the 'lesser evil'...

Why do you suppose that is?

And which direction, predictably, is the net sum gain?

[XenaLee]

Which is why I went to the Constitution Party.
You get more of what you vote *for*

Which is nothing....

other than the air of superiority one might try to claim after having wasted their vote on a candidate that had no chance of winning .... all for the lofty principle of the thing.  (and I speak from personal experience here)

[roamer_1]

Which is nothing....

other than the air of superiority one might try to claim after having wasted their vote on a candidate that had no chance of winning .... all for the lofty principle of the thing.  (and I speak from personal experience here)

No.
I stand upon what I believe in. nothing more, and nothing less. I have always been right here. I vote for those who will champion what I believe in.

Why in hell should I do otherwise?

[XenaLee]

No.
I stand upon what I believe in. nothing more, and nothing less. I have always been right here. I vote for those who will champion what I believe in.

Why in hell should I do otherwise?

Who do you vote for?

[skeeter]

No.
I stand upon what I believe in. nothing more, and nothing less. I have always been right here. I vote for those who will champion what I believe in.

Why in hell should I do otherwise?

You absolutely should not do otherwise.

Likewise, I will do what I think is best.

And we should stop ragging on each other for their choice.

[roamer_1]

Who do you vote for?

Conservatives, wherever I may find them.

[XenaLee]

Conservatives, wherever I may find them.

Where have you found any?   Can you name them?

[Smokin Joe]

It is so good to finally read a thoughtful Christian response to the bizarre blind support of Trump by "evangelical Christians."

I really, truly hope that now that someone has finally spoken up in a reasoned, BIBLICAL article that it is damaging to Christianity to continue to support immoral behavior and dishonesty, more Christians who have been silent about their dismay with the worship of Trump at any cost, will speak up.

This man is not a villain.  This man is not a traitor.  This man is speaking about consistent Biblical standards that have been set aside for the honor of a MAN over GOD's law.

btw, this article is more in keeping with the values of Billy Graham than his son Franklin is....   

What? Principles??? I thought those had been dispensed with by the end of the Primaries...

Yes, there are those of us who still use them as the metric by which we measure all.

That said, and keeping in mind none is without sin, I pray that what we have remains better than what we could have had. One of the dangers of cults of personality is the tendency to ignore minute changes in policy which lead to destruction overall.

[mountaineer]

You absolutely should not do otherwise.

Likewise, I will do what I think is best.

And we should stop ragging on each other for their choice.

Amen. It's so unproductive.

[roamer_1]

You absolutely should not do otherwise.

Likewise, I will do what I think is best.

And we should stop ragging on each other for their choice.

I would be fine with that, except in that this current administration is hawked as conservative.

It is certainly your choice to vote *for* overweening statist Federal government and ballooning debt (as instances), but the minute that is called a conservative thing, I will rise to differ.

Likewise this subject matter. I will stand upon Judeo-Christian values. When Tump is lifted up as some sort of messiah to the Christians, that he champions Christian values is false. And I will rise.

Don't call it Conservative, and I will shut right up.
Other than that, knock yourself out.

[roamer_1]

Where have you found any?   Can you name them?

Castle last go around.

[dfwgator]

I would be fine with that, except in that this current administration is hawked as conservative.

It is certainly your choice to vote *for* overweening statist Federal government and ballooning debt (as instances), but the minute that is called a conservative thing, I will rise to differ.

 

Unfortunately, true conservatives like you are too few and far between to make a difference anymore.     It's like I always say,   Everybody is for small government, until they come for their pet programs.     

[don-o]

That's right.

@roamer_1

Wow! It has been a while since we talked, but that (making Trump a "false prophet") really surprised me. In the past, I always thought your thinking worthy of consideration and respect, despite disagreeing.

The conflation of Biblical concepts / admonitions which have a context and are meant to edify the soul with political prudence is incoherent and, to put it crudely, a cheap shot. 

[XenaLee]

Castle last go around.

That's it?   That's all?   Castle lost.   What Conservative(s) are you voting for and supporting now that have actually done something Conservative for the country?   I'm open to supporting Conservatives still... but only if they actually have a chance of winning and/or of being able to DO something Conservative for America.  If all they have going for them is 'talking Conservative values'....I'll opt for the realistic option.

[skeeter]

I would be fine with that, except in that this current administration is hawked as conservative.

It is certainly your choice to vote *for* overweening statist Federal government and ballooning debt (as instances), but the minute that is called a conservative thing, I will rise to differ.

Likewise this subject matter. I will stand upon Judeo-Christian values. When Tump is lifted up as some sort of messiah to the Christians, that he champions Christian values is false. And I will rise.

Don't call it Conservative, and I will shut right up.
Other than that, knock yourself out.

And I can characterize the path you've chosen, based upon what I see as its uselessness, at best, but that just leads to the usual hamster wheel debate.

[libertybele]

Castle last go around.

Ok.  Daryl Castle of the Constitution Party I think would absolutely make a good President, based on what I can see of his principled conservatism on the surface.  I must admit though, I have taken what he has stated at face value and have not done any research on the man.

Here's the big problem though.  It is more difficult for a 3rd party candidate to win, because they have to meet more qualifications and certainly don't have the $$ machine behind them.  The Constitution party did not even qualify to get onto the ballot in all 50 states.  So, that in itself made it impossible for him to win.  If you aren't able to get onto the ballot, you can't win. 

I got a letter from the Constitution Party a few years back stating that they were going to try to do things a little differently and IMHO what they hinted at is that they were going to try to appease more moderates and liberals .... here we sit, right?

[XenaLee]

Ok.  Daryl Castle of the Constitution Party I think would absolutely make a good President, based on what I can see of his principled conservatism on the surface.  I must admit though, I have taken what he has stated at face value and have not done any research on the man.

Here's the big problem though.  It is more difficult for a 3rd party candidate to win, because they have to meet more qualifications and certainly don't have the $$ machine behind them.  The Constitution party did not even qualify to get onto the ballot in all 50 states.  So, that in itself made it impossible for him to win.  If you aren't able to get onto the ballot, you can't win. 

I got a letter from the Constitution Party a few years back stating that they were going to try to do things a little differently and IMHO what they hinted at is that they were going to try to appease more moderates and liberals .... here we sit, right?

And the only way they can do that.... is by veering away from Conservative principles and values.  So if they start leaning left, what's the point?  I choose to vote in Realville next year....for a candidate that has a chance of winning.   

[roamer_1]

@roamer_1

Wow! It has been a while since we talked, but that (making Trump a "false prophet") really surprised me. In the past, I always thought your thinking worthy of consideration and respect, despite disagreeing.

The conflation of Biblical concepts / admonitions which have a context and are meant to edify the soul with political prudence is incoherent and, to put it crudely, a cheap shot.

@don-o
You should wander around the evangelicals and pentecostals to get a taste of the messianic flavor being hawked wrt Trump. A mere prophet? Hardly.

Go find a guy on Youtube named Mark Taylor and listen to his shtick. He won't be hard to find. And he is by no means the only one. Then perhaps you will understand my visceral reaction.

[Formerly Once-Ler]

You absolutely should not do otherwise.

Likewise, I will do what I think is best.

And we should stop ragging on each other for their choice.

Agreed @skeeter
Sadly, when I proclaim "I could not live with myself voting for either candidate in 2016," I fear it gets interpreted by some as ragging on their choice.

[mountaineer]

You should wander around the evangelicals and pentecostals to get a taste of the messianic flavor being hawked wrt Trump. A mere prophet? Hardly.

I'm puzzled by this characterization (generalization, actually) of evangelical Christians. I don't know anyone among my evangelical friends and acquaintances who considers Trump anything other than the current President - certainly not the Messiah. We're all quite aware of who the true and only Messiah is.