Conservatives pan proposed compromise between religious liberty and LGBT demands

[Chosen Daughter]

Conservatives pan proposed compromise between religious liberty and LGBT demands
Nate Madden · December 9, 2019   

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So what does the bill do?
In Stewart’s words, the legislation “allows us to settle the legal questions and get back to the business of loving our neighbors.” In brief, the legislation tries to create compromise by elevating sexual orientation and gender identity to protected classes under the 1964 Civil Rights Act while simultaneously creating targeted carve-outs with the intention of protecting the conscience rights of those whose beliefs conflict with modern sexual and gender ideologies.

In the news release introducing the legislation, Stewart’s office points out multiple groups that support the legislation, including the Seventh Day Adventist Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, and the Council for Christian Colleges & Universities, among others.
So what’s the problem? Some religious liberty advocates find the bill’s conscience protections are insufficient and that the changes to federal civil rights law create some serious problems. Rather than a compromise, American Principles Project executive director Terry Schilling says that the bill is “a near total surrender to progressive extremists.”

“Like the Democrats’ so-called ‘Equality Act’ which it is seeking to replace, FFA would upend American society by radically altering civil rights law,” Schilling explains. “And despite including some exemptions, it would still seriously endanger the conscience rights of Americans seeking to live by their faith, for whom relatively few protections are offered.”

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/conservatives-pan-proposed-compromise-religious-liberty-lgbt-demands/

I think it is Republicans not Conservatives.

[Smokin Joe]

Isn't using legislation to force someone to acquiesce to demands which conflict their religion, using the power of the Law, a State establishment of what Religion is, and thus a violation of the First Amendment?

How the courts can rule against an enumerated Civil Right for a manufactured "right" that would never have been considered in the Founders' time is beyond me.

[Absalom]

The bedrock of culture/society from Eden remains the Family Unit of Father,
Mother and Children.
Anything that harms it, such as homosexuality is verboten!!!
Predictably, self-labeled 'conservatives' get mired in the weeds engaging in
legal debate over this right or that right, instead of affirming a core principle.
'Rights' a synonym for self-interest, never trumps eternal principles. NEVER!!!
We are in the sewer because so few understand  this!!!!!!!!!!!!

[roamer_1]

Lets not talk about the elephant in the room... These 'conservatives' neglect federalism, and are therefore not conservatives at all... And part of the problem.

[Absalom]

Lets not talk about the elephant in the room... These 'conservatives' neglect federalism, and are therefore not conservatives at all... And part of the problem.

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Indeed!!!

[Chosen Daughter]

Funny that he creates an EO to protect Judaism but lets Christianity be crushed under the gay lobby.  I have some advise for Trump.  Stick to the Constitution.  It guarantee's freedom of religion.  There should be no compromise.   And Christian students in our Universities are suffering persecution over this very thing.

https://www.beliefnet.com/news/home-page-news-and-views/are-us-colleges-hostile-to-christian-students.aspx

[Chosen Daughter]

Bump for @libertybele

[Chosen Daughter]

“Like the Democrats’ so-called ‘Equality Act’ which it is seeking to replace, FFA would upend American society by radically altering civil rights law,” Schilling explains. “And despite including some exemptions, it would still seriously endanger the conscience rights of Americans seeking to live by their faith, for whom relatively few protections are offered.”

“Don’t think the carve outs for religious institutions in ‘Fairness for All’ would be sufficient or permanent,” warned Family Research Council president Tony Perkins. “The LGBT lobby has demonstrated a rapacious desire to be not only tolerated but affirmed. Already politicians have suggested removing the tax-exempt status of religious institutions that do not affirm LGBT lifestyles – one of the few religious freedom protections currently in Fairness for All. This attempt at compromise will not satisfy their demands.”

In a post at the Daily Signal, the Heritage Foundation’s Ryan Anderson points out multiple problems that the bill as written creates for Americans’ conscience rights and argues the compromise isn’t worth allowing the federal government “to use our civil rights laws as a sword to punish citizens who dissent from the reigning sexual orthodoxy.”

“In the midst of the redefinitions of marriage, sex, and gender, all Americans—wherever they fall on the political spectrum and whether they are religious, secular, or agnostic—should join the effort to find ways to coexist peacefully,” Anderson concludes. “Fairness for All would not achieve this goal. Instead, it would treat reasonable disagreement as if it were discrimination, impose sexual and gender ideology, and penalize those who dissent.”

https://www.conservativereview.com/news/conservatives-pan-proposed-compromise-religious-liberty-lgbt-demands/

[libertybele]

Bump for @libertybele

Ok a group of 'conservatives' led by a UT representative has proposed this.  Did the bill pass both Houses and most importantly, did President Trump sign it into law?

I'm asking if you know as there was no reference to a bill number or even a resolution.

[Chosen Daughter]

The Fairness for All Act falls Short

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/the-fairness-for-all-act-falls-short.html

So before we go to other countries trying to enforce gay rights we should acknowledge the damage we are doing in our own country.

https://www.wnd.com/2019/12/appeasement-flops-fairness-act/

[libertybele]

The Fairness for All Act falls Short

https://www.christianpost.com/voice/the-fairness-for-all-act-falls-short.html

So before we go to other countries trying to enforce gay rights we should acknowledge the damage we are doing in our own country.

Again, saving gays from execution in foreign countries is saving life not promoting homosexuality.  Just like saving a heroin addict's life, doesn't mean you are for the use of heroin.

By your posts I don't see where this bill was passed and signed by Trump, so I'm not so sure how you're relating this to him.

Yes, I agree that allowing same sex marriages etc., as ruled on by our SCOTUS has been harmful, but what does that have to do with Trump?  He was not president then.

[Chosen Daughter]

Again, saving gays from execution in foreign countries is saving life not promoting homosexuality.  Just like saving a heroin addict's life, doesn't mean you are for the use of heroin.

By your posts I don't see where this bill was passed and signed by Trump, so I'm not so sure how you're relating this to him.

Yes, I agree that allowing same sex marriages etc., as ruled on by our SCOTUS has been harmful, but what does that have to do with Trump?  He was not president then.

Has not passed but is supported by Republicans and Trump has signaled he is open to it.



Then there’s President Trump. Asked whether he spoken with the White House about the Fairness for All Act, Deaton declined to discuss conversations.
The Trump administration, through White House Deputy Press Secretary Judd Deere, signaled an openness to the Fairness for All Act when asked by the Washington Blade about the legislation.

“President Trump has protected human dignity, fought for inclusion, promoted LGBTQ Americans and strongly protected religious freedom for everyone while in office,” Deere said. “The White House looks forward to reviewing the legislation.”

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/12/06/fairness-for-all-act-seeks-middle-ground-on-lgbt-rights/

[libertybele]

Has not passed but is supported by Republicans and Trump has signaled he is open to it.



Then there’s President Trump. Asked whether he spoken with the White House about the Fairness for All Act, Deaton declined to discuss conversations.
The Trump administration, through White House Deputy Press Secretary Judd Deere, signaled an openness to the Fairness for All Act when asked by the Washington Blade about the legislation.

“President Trump has protected human dignity, fought for inclusion, promoted LGBTQ Americans and strongly protected religious freedom for everyone while in office,” Deere said. “The White House looks forward to reviewing the legislation.”

https://www.washingtonblade.com/2019/12/06/fairness-for-all-act-seeks-middle-ground-on-lgbt-rights/

"Strongly protected religious freedom for everyone" ....sounds good.  Though his intent is in earnest, that has room for abuse by Sharia law -- ALL states need to pass protective legislation against it.  As for promoting LGBTQ (Q?) that IS troubling.  Certainly goes against my values.  Him asking other countries to not execute the gays, I though agree with him on.

Trump is NOT by any means perfect and I've said that before.  I will vote for him against those who openly support socialism, late term abortion, open borders and anti 2A.

[EdinVA]

So, cannot fire anyone as they can declare they are anything they want, at any point in the process?

How do we protect businesses from legal action and being driven into the gutter?
What is the incentive for business startups if they stand to loose everything?
Watch the lawsuits begin and businesses disappear because once you are accused, you are guilty.

[Fishrrman]

From the article:
“Like the Democrats’ so-called ‘Equality Act’ which it is seeking to replace..."

The last thing we want, and the worst mistake we could ever make to the Republic, would be to pass an "equality" act.

Read Harrison Bergeron by Vonnegut.

[Smokin Joe]

So, cannot fire anyone as they can declare they are anything they want, at any point in the process?

How do we protect businesses from legal action and being driven into the gutter?
What is the incentive for business startups if they stand to loose everything?
Watch the lawsuits begin and businesses disappear because once you are accused, you are guilty.

That's a good point, and one which needs to be taken into consideration.