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Re: Pelosi on eve of impeachment vote: 'In America, no one is above the law'
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2019, 10:07:32 pm »
Hard evidence of bribery or extortion has not been presented, but the obstruction article is valid.  Ask yourselves whether you would want a President Hillary impeached for ordering her staff to defy congressional subpoenas.  Had some of them cooperated, it may have edified the president's standing.  Or they may be helping the White House with a coverup.  We'll never know in part because of the obstruction ... which, if there was nothing to hide, was damn stupid.

Nah. He did not obstruct... He appealed. To the court.
I will stand with Dershowitz - A democrat and a liberal I know, but a principled one, especially in his trade.
He suggests the obstruction charge violates the Constitutional separation of powers.

The House claims it, and only it, decides the validity of its powers to include subpoena power, which claim declares no appeal or correction - a power that is absolute. That is false on its face.

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Re: Pelosi on eve of impeachment vote: 'In America, no one is above the law'
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2019, 11:24:41 pm »
Hard evidence of bribery or extortion has not been presented,

No evidence of bribery or extortion has been presented.  Hard or otherwise.  None.  Zip.  Nada.


but the obstruction article is valid.

Uh, no.  There is nothing valid about witchhunts designed to create evidence where none exists.  At no time should anyone cooperate with an empty prosecution - empty in both evidence and charge.  Besides, no one can be compelled to testify against oneself. At least that is what the Constitution says, not that Democrats give a rip about the Constitution.


Ask yourselves whether you would want a President Hillary impeached for ordering her staff to defy congressional subpoenas.

No.  I would want her impeached for breaking the law - something Trump has not done.  Besides, it is not within the power of the Legislative Branch to issue subpoenas without Judiciary approval.  The ends do not justify the means.  If Hillary gets caught breaking the law (like she did with her disclosure of classified material), then a case for impeachment could be made.  But that doesn't mean she or any of her staff can be forced to testify by Legislative edict.  That is not the way our system of government was set up.  And if she doesn't get caught breaking the law, then she shouldn't be impeached, no matter how much one despises her Presidency.


Had some of them cooperated, it may have edified the president's standing.  Or they may be helping the White House with a coverup.  We'll never know in part because of the obstruction ... which, if there was nothing to hide, was damn stupid.

The only coverup here is the collusion by Democrats to overturn an election.  Think about it.  The key prosecution witness that launched this entire effort has not uttered one word before Congress in this entire affair.  Not a single word.  Yep, there's a coverup all right.  And it is coming from the same people who have openly stated that the only way to defeat Trump in the next election is to impeach him.
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Re: Pelosi on eve of impeachment vote: 'In America, no one is above the law'
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2019, 05:24:29 am »
:silly:  :silly:  :silly:  :silly:  :silly:

I've been hoping the Dems would be this stupid for longer than I've been a member here! :silly:

@PeteS in CA Nice to see we are both satisfied  :beer:

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Re: Pelosi on eve of impeachment vote: 'In America, no one is above the law'
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2019, 08:58:09 am »
President Donald Trump last year slammed Hillary Clinton staffers who requested immunity or invoked their Fifth Amendment rights in response to requests to testify about the former secretary of state's private email server.
"If you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?" Trump said at a campaign rally in Florida in September.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-immunity-pleading-fifth-amendment-michael-flynn-2017-5

Trump is making a huge miscalculation here. He should let his people testify under oath about his perfect phone call. They would completely exonerate him.
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Re: Pelosi on eve of impeachment vote: 'In America, no one is above the law'
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2019, 01:43:56 pm »
President Donald Trump last year slammed Hillary Clinton staffers who requested immunity or invoked their Fifth Amendment rights in response to requests to testify about the former secretary of state's private email server.
"If you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?" Trump said at a campaign rally in Florida in September.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-immunity-pleading-fifth-amendment-michael-flynn-2017-5

Trump is making a huge miscalculation here. He should let his people testify under oath about his perfect phone call. They would completely exonerate him.

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I think what most people are overlooking when they say something like that is that Trump is NOT talking to the political junkies like us,elected officials,reporters,etc,etc,etc. He is speaking to Steve and Susie Sixpack,who only pay attention to politics for a few months ever 4 years,and while most of them are registered voters with either the Dims or the Reps,feel free to vote for anyone. They just registered with a party so they could vote.

I doubt there are a dozen voters from either party in this entire nation that are political junkies who didn't know if they were going to vote for Trump or his Dim oppenent months before any of us know who his Dim opponent was going to be. Spending time and money trying to influence any of those people is a total waste of time. The people you NEED to reach out to and influence are the "undecided voters" that pretty much settle all presidential elections not already bought and paid for by the DNC,like John Kennedy's,whose father bribed delegates to vote for him. That's harder to do and get away with these days than it was back in the 60's,when it was common knowledge and Joe Kennedy even bragged about it,but there wasn't a news service in the nation back then that dared report it.

If you want to win national elections,you MUST appeal to the undecided voters. This is what Trump is doing and has been doing all along. Trump is not a professional politician,and they are not "professional party voters".
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Re: Pelosi on eve of impeachment vote: 'In America, no one is above the law'
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2019, 01:47:39 pm »
EVERYTIME she knowingly tells that lie,people in the audience should stand up and shout the name of her husband,and the Clinton's names.
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Re: Pelosi on eve of impeachment vote: 'In America, no one is above the law'
« Reply #31 on: December 19, 2019, 05:12:42 pm »
President Donald Trump last year slammed Hillary Clinton staffers who requested immunity or invoked their Fifth Amendment rights in response to requests to testify about the former secretary of state's private email server.
"If you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity for?" Trump said at a campaign rally in Florida in September.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-immunity-pleading-fifth-amendment-michael-flynn-2017-5

Trump is making a huge miscalculation here. He should let his people testify under oath about his perfect phone call. They would completely exonerate him.

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I keep thinking the complete lack of a defense is an insult to the intelligence of his supporters, but then they remind me their support is not based on thought, but rather faith.