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Question Regarding Impeachment
« on: December 13, 2019, 08:05:58 pm »
If the Republicans take back the House can they void the impeachment of Pres Trump?
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2019, 09:05:42 pm »
If the Rs retake the House, they will be seated over a year from now. This farce will be played out by then. Unless the Dems fail in the Senate and double down with new farticles of impeachment. If the Dems somehow prolong this charade such that there are farticles of impeachment pending before the Senate, I'm not aware that the Constitution speaks to your question. Since it is not provided for by the Constitution I do not think the House has the authority to rescind such farticles of impeachment.
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2019, 10:02:41 pm »
It's not hard to imagine.  If the Rats keep voting articles of Impeachment after the Senate disposes of the current one (as promised by Schitt), there could easily be an Impeachment waiting to be tried by a new Senate.  Since regular Bills in that condition are discarded, what would this be?  It would not be coming from the same House.

Besides...didn't this happen in 1998?
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2019, 10:10:53 pm »
From what I understand, impeachment is similar to indictment.

In an indictment, a grand jury can dismiss the charges only before the indictment.
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2019, 10:12:42 pm »
I heard Alan Dershowitz on Mark Levin last week talking about voiding the impeachment. I don't know the mechanism, but it's a thing.
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2019, 10:17:08 pm »
I heard Alan Dershowitz on Mark Levin last week talking about voiding the impeachment. I don't know the mechanism, but it's a thing.

That is why I am asking..I have never heard this before.
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2019, 02:04:54 am »
First I've heard of it. :shrug:

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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2019, 02:37:39 am »
From what I understand, impeachment is similar to indictment.

In an indictment, a grand jury can dismiss the charges only before the indictment.

Correct.  Likewise, the Senate can vote to dismiss the charges before the trial begins, but in the end, the defendant still got indicted.
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2019, 03:05:13 am »
Well, my two cents. Since the House only has the authority to bring up articles of impeachment and forward to the Senate for trial, I would say 'no'.  Once the Senate makes their determination, it's over.  I don't think he can be impeached a second time under the same articles of impeachment by a new House, nor could the previous articles of impeachment be rescinded.  Perhaps the new Senate majority could overturn their previous decision?

There are many possibilities and I think this President and our country are in a very vulnerable spot. Considering that there is a possibility with the change in recent demographics and redistricting in several states, the DEMS could actually expand their majority in the House and the GOP loose the Senate.  IF that should happen, it is game over anyways and it would only be a short time before the oust Trump.
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2019, 03:59:32 am »
That is why I am asking..I have never heard this before.
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"Impeachment is the process of bringing charges against the President. It does not mean he’s guilty or innocent, so there is nothing to appeal or overturn. Kind of like a “grand jury”… It’s a process prosecutors use to determine if they should even proceed to trial."

Dershowitz was speaking about an invalid charge - doesn't meet the language of the constitution - invalid charge could be overturned - he wrote this before the committee had the actual two articles which do meet the requirements of the constitution. 
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2019, 02:51:57 pm »
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"Impeachment is the process of bringing charges against the President. It does not mean he’s guilty or innocent, so there is nothing to appeal or overturn. Kind of like a “grand jury”… It’s a process prosecutors use to determine if they should even proceed to trial."

Dershowitz was speaking about an invalid charge - doesn't meet the language of the constitution - invalid charge could be overturned - he wrote this before the committee had the actual two articles which do meet the requirements of the constitution.

That is your opinion.  Alan Dershowitz opines...differently, as do others who have made those determinations their life's work.   :shrug:  The only opinion that matters is the measly US Senate, and what the heck do they know?  Just a bunch of politicians empowered by the US Constitution to make that decision.  They are not professional Psychologists, so they're just a bunch of blind squirrels.
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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2019, 07:25:46 pm »
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"Impeachment is the process of bringing charges against the President. It does not mean he’s guilty or innocent, so there is nothing to appeal or overturn. Kind of like a “grand jury”… It’s a process prosecutors use to determine if they should even proceed to trial."

Dershowitz was speaking about an invalid charge - doesn't meet the language of the constitution - invalid charge could be overturned - he wrote this before the committee had the actual two articles which do meet the requirements of the constitution.

Thanks for explaining that so well @Victoria33

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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2019, 07:44:38 pm »
The only opinion that matters is the measly US Senate, and what the heck do they know?  Just a bunch of politicians empowered by the US Constitution to make that decision.  They are not professional Psychologists, so they're just a bunch of blind squirrels.
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Graham says the trial with be short.  Trump wants a long trial, kind of like a TV series that goes on and on.

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Re: Question Regarding Impeachment
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2019, 08:27:09 pm »
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Graham says the trial with be short.  Trump wants a long trial, kind of like a TV series that goes on and on.

If 51 Senators sign on, it will be a really short dismissal.  I don't know what they want to do at this point.  Some say a long trial would be good for Trump, some say otherwise, so who knows?  Not my circus.  The only sure thing is the Rats won't get nearly enough Republican Senators to vote to convict, based on the case being presented so far.
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