Dem congressman warns removing Trump is 'bad politics,' predicts Nikki Haley as GOP nominee in 2020

[libertybele]

Interesting .... and this ought to make @Jazzhead smile!  I was always under the presumption that if for any reason Trump stepped down, that would automatically make Pence president, but according to this article the 'Party' would have to nominate Pence?  Anyone??

Dem congressman warns removing Trump is 'bad politics,' predicts Nikki Haley as GOP nominee in 2020

A Democratic congressman warned his colleagues on Monday that removing President Trump may be "bad politics" and predicted that Republicans would nominate former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations ambassador Nikki Haley in 2020............

.............."I do think that it's the right thing to do to remove him from office. I believe he is an imminent danger to this country and to our democracy, but I was saying that the political consequences may not be very good for the Democrats," Yarmuth explained.Yarmuth then made a bold prediction that the GOP would not proceed with Vice President Mike Pence as the presumptive nominee if the Senate did take the unlikely step of voting to remove Trump from office.

"If we remove him from office, I will guarantee you the Republican Party would not nominate Mike Pence to succeed him," Yarmuth continued. "They would nominate somebody like Nikki Haley who would be much more difficult for a Democrat to defeat.”.......

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/john-yarmuth-trump-impeachment-nikki-haley-2020

[Formerly Once-Ler]

"If we remove him from office, I will guarantee you the Republican Party would not nominate Mike Pence to succeed him," Yarmuth continued. "They would nominate somebody like Nikki Haley who would be much more difficult for a Democrat to defeat.”.......

Screw Yarmuth.  Pence would bitch slap Haley.

[Snarknado]

If Repub Senators cooperate with dems to remove Trump it won't matter who the GOP nominates because half the base won't show up and repubs will be swept off the map.

[catfish1957]

Nicki Haley?  I stay home.  Her forcing down of the CBF from statehouse grounds will NEVER be forgiven.

[Jazzhead]

Nikki Haley lets us keep the Senate and the continuing ability to get constitutionalists on the federal bench.    That's an objective that ought to appeal to conservatives of all stripes.   

As for the CBF,  it belongs in the back window of pickup trucks, not the Statehouse grounds.   [Ducks to avoid incoming fire]

[Snarknado]

Nikki Haley lets us keep the Senate and the continuing ability to get constitutionalists on the federal bench.    That's an objective that ought to appeal to conservatives of all stripes.   

As for the CBF,  it belongs in the back window of pickup trucks, not the Statehouse grounds.   [Ducks to avoid incoming fire]

Never mind Haley losing in a 40 state landslide, Senate repubs holding on to their majority after throwing Trump out? Dream on. Trump isn't just our best hope to avert a total wipeout (even if he loses), he's our only hope.

[libertybele]

Obviously and not surprising is that the warning coming from the DEM  doesn't take into consideration the Constitution and the line of succession laid out in the Constitution; Article 2, Section 1; Amendment 25.  To me clearly Pence becomes President and nominate his VP. If both Trump and Pence are removed from office, Pelosi becomes president.  (Sorry @ Jazzhead -- Haley's just not going to happen unless Trump is removed from office and Pence in turn nominates Haley as VP and then in 2024 she runs).


 U.S. Constitution - Amendment 25
Amendment 25 - Presidential Disability and Succession


1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

3. Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

4. Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

https://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am25.html

[Maj. Bill Martin]

If Repub Senators cooperate with dems to remove Trump it won't matter who the GOP nominates because half the base won't show up and repubs will be swept off the map.

I personally would not show up even though I like Haley, and would like to see her as President more so than Trump.  But the principle of respecting the results of elections would be destroyed, the message that the elites -- not the voters -- control who is President would be established, and I'll be damned if I lift a finger to defend those who would have cooperated in that.

Burn it all down at that point.  I'd vote for Warren just to increase the gallons per minute flow of the national commode.

[libertybele]

I personally would not show up even though I like Haley, and would like to see her as President more so than Trump.  But the principle of respecting the results of elections would be destroyed, the message that the elites -- not the voters -- control who is President would be established, and I'll be damned if I lift a finger to defend those who would have cooperated in that.

Burn it all down at that point.  I'd vote for Warren just to increase the gallons per minute flow of the national commode.

Not going to happen.  Pence is the successor per the Constitution, then Pelosi. 

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Not going to happen.  Pence is the successor per the Constitution, then Pelosi.

The article is discussing who would become the GOP nominee, not who would be the replacement for Trump as President under the 25th Amendment for whatever remained of his current term.  The 25th Amendment has nothing to do with who the nominee would be if Trump was removed via impeachment or resignation.  That would be up to the party/voters.

[Jazzhead]

Never mind Haley losing in a 40 state landslide, Senate repubs holding on to their majority after throwing Trump out? Dream on. Trump isn't just our best hope to avert a total wipeout (even if he loses), he's our only hope.

I agree Haley can't win if Trump were to be thrown out of office with GOP support.   The GOP must unite in support of the principal that the people, and only the people, elect (and remove) their leaders. 

But can Trump win re-election in 2020?  That's where I differ from most here.  I just don't see it happening,  unless by the lucky circumstance of the Dems tarring themselves as unacceptable.  And they've shown they're not that stupid - most of their Congressional gains have come from nominating "moderates" rather than crazies.   

What's needed is for Trump himself to recognize that his best interests are served by not seeking a second term, and throwing his support to a patriot like Haley to finish the job.     

[Snarknado]

I agree Haley can't win if Trump were to be thrown out of office with GOP support.   The GOP must unite in support of the principal that the people, and only the people, elect (and remove) their leaders. 

But can Trump win re-election in 2020?  That's where I differ from most here.  I just don't see it happening,  unless by the lucky circumstance of the Dems tarring themselves as unacceptable.  And they've shown they're not that stupid - most of their Congressional gains have come from nominating "moderates" rather than crazies.   

What's needed is for Trump himself to recognize that his best interests are served by not seeking a second term, and throwing his support to a patriot like Haley to finish the job.     

I've never said that we win for sure if Trump is the nominee. I've only said that we lose everything massively if he isn't. Now maybe if he voluntarily dropped out for some credible reason like health, finished his term responsibly, then whole-heartedly supported the repub candidate we might survive. There would still be many voters sidelined by Trump's absence, mostly in swing states -we'd have to hope they're offset by some other block but I have no idea who those voters would be. I'm convinced the vast majority of self-proclaimed AT's are insincere and will go for the socialist no matter who our nominee is. We also have no evidence whatsoever that Pence would be a strong enough candidate to win but I can't see him quietly deferring to Haley. One relatively unvetted candidate could be a problem; two duking it out could be a disaster.

[catfish1957]

Nikki Haley lets us keep the Senate and the continuing ability to get constitutionalists on the federal bench.    That's an objective that ought to appeal to conservatives of all stripes.   

As for the CBF,  it belongs in the back window of pickup trucks, not the Statehouse grounds.   [Ducks to avoid incoming fire]

You are your SJW ilk have your opinion, I have mine.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

I just don't see it happening,  unless by the lucky circumstance of the Dems tarring themselves as unacceptable.  And they've shown they're not that stupid - most of their Congressional gains have come from nominating "moderates" rather than crazies.

I actually think there's a pretty good chance of the Dems tarring themselves as unacceptable.  Bernie and Warren both have a good shot at being "unacceptable", and Biden is growing creepier by the day.  Probably at least a 50-50 shot that one of those three is the nominee.  Biden is really hurting Democrats, because he's squeezed out most of the moderate alternatives who may have lacked Biden's creepiness factor.  As for the Congressional gains, that happened in a limited number of swing districts in which moderates were dominant.  But that's very clearly not the case in the much larger number of districts that re-nominated and re-elected more leftist Democrats. 

What's needed is for Trump himself to recognize that his best interests are served by not seeking a second term, and throwing his support to a patriot like Haley to finish the job.     

I would say that the odds of Trump actually reaching that conclusion all by himself, without the kind of public prodding by other Republicans you acknowledge would be the Kiss of Death, are far less than that of the Democrats nominating someone unacceptable.  If there was one lesson Trump was certain to have learned in 2016, it was to disbelieve pollsters.  He won't believe that he's going to lose until after the actual votes themselves are all counted.  And by then, it obviously will be too late to have nominated someone else.

Trump isn't going to wake up one morning and just walk away.  He just isn't.

[XenaLee]

Despite the rats' best efforts, Trump's approval is going up, not down.   So this is just more Democrat wet-dreaming... and NT'er pie in the sky.   Trump will be re-elected in a landslide....

thanks to the idiot left, in part.

All of the speculation otherwise is moot.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Trump will be re-elected in a landslide....

Well, he certainly didn't win in a landslide in 2016, and I don't see any reason to think he'd going to gain the massive number of new votes needed to create a landslide this time.  There are some bad demographic trends in states like Virginia that are going to make it tough to win this time around.

So...I still think he's an underdog, but certainly not a prohibitive one, and he's easily going to be the best shot we've got to hold onto the White House in 2020.  Efforts to remove him in a "friendly" manner are almost certain to fail, and will weaken him for November.

Time to dance with the one that brung us.

[XenaLee]

Well, he certainly didn't win in a landslide in 2016, and I don't see any reason to think he'd going to gain the massive number of new votes needed to create a landslide this time.  There are some bad demographic trends in states like Virginia that are going to make it tough to win this time around.

So...I still think he's an underdog, but certainly not a prohibitive one, and he's easily going to be the best shot we've got to hold onto the White House in 2020. Efforts to remove him in a "friendly" manner are almost certain to fail, and will weaken him for November.

Time to dance with the one that brung us.

You are, perhaps, underestimating the ability of the DemocRats to piss off even more voters between now and then?  lol

[Maj. Bill Martin]

You are, perhaps, underestimating the ability of the DemocRats to piss off even more voters between now and then?  lol

Nope.  Just looking at the midterm results, and factoring in the Democrats ability to pander to millenials, minorities, single young women, and the various and sundry other little groups that make up their coalition.

Also, they cheat.

[libertybele]

The article is discussing who would become the GOP nominee, not who would be the replacement for Trump as President under the 25th Amendment for whatever remained of his current term.  The 25th Amendment has nothing to do with who the nominee would be if Trump was removed via impeachment or resignation.  That would be up to the party/voters.

Ok ... then back to square one. She has not jumped into the race, nor has she announced her run, time for her to get on the ballot is drawing near and she'd be a fool to go against her former boss who has a huge base. 

Haley isn't going to happen in 2020.  Maybe 2024 if she's interested. 

I would like to see Cruz run again in 2024.  I'd also like to see Sarah Huckabee.  Long way off though.

[Fishrrman]

Nikki Haley has worse "natural born citizen" problems than did obama.
She's not "Constitutionally qualified" to be president.

[Maj. Bill Martin]

Nikki Haley has worse "natural born citizen" problems than did obama.
She's not "Constitutionally qualified" to be president.

Says you.  She was born in South Carolina, to two immigrant parents who had immigrated here legally, and the vast majority of the country believes that makes her a natural born citizen even though her parents were not American citizens.  There is a 0% chance that the Supreme Court is going to reverse the current interpretation of "natural born citizen" absent a constitutional amendment.

But keep tilting at those windmills if you want.  Just realize that nobody who matters cares.

[Chosen Daughter]

Not going to happen.  Pence is the successor per the Constitution, then Pelosi.

Well if they are going to impeach him we better hope its before the election because MSM says report ties Pence in too.  I don't know about Nicki Haley.  She was good for Israel at the U.N., impressive.  Strong, but the book incident was a show stopper.   

There are better people than Haley.

[Chosen Daughter]

Says you.  She was born in South Carolina, to two immigrant parents who had immigrated here legally, and the vast majority of the country believes that makes her a natural born citizen even though her parents were not American citizens.  There is a 0% chance that the Supreme Court is going to reverse the current interpretation of "natural born citizen" absent a constitutional amendment.

But keep tilting at those windmills if you want.  Just realize that nobody who matters cares.

Good point.

[Polly Ticks]

I like Nikki Haley, but she's not going to run in 2020. 

I'd like to say that John Yarmuth is a donkey's posterior, but that would be unfairly vilifying donkeys.